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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 2 March 2024 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Community episodes edit

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Nominator(s): Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 06:02, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I wish to improve my impact as a wikipedian and I feel as this is a good step towards that. I compared to other FA episodes lists (specifically Arrested Development and The Sopranos). I think what I did should be good enough and hopefully if its not I can learn what is good enough.Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 06:02, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have just ran the internet archive bot on the page to archive various URLs. Past this point I plan not to mess with the page until someone begins their review. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 06:11, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Drive-by comment: Having worked on a fair number of Community articles, I know the production codes are not listed in the end credits, so they need to be sourced externally. I've used the Library of Congress in the past (example at "Advanced Dungeons & Dragons"), but if you can find a better source, that would also work. I'll probably come back for a full review later. RunningTiger123 (talk) 23:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    This past discussion might help. RunningTiger123 (talk) 06:28, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question I feel that some of the entry on the webisodes list are not webisodes and more ads and shouldnt be listed, thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by OlifanofmrTennant (talk • contribs) 19:23, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The WGA website lists The 5 A's of Greendale, Abed's Community College Chronicles, Abed's Master Key, Señor Chang's Spanish Video Assignment, and Dean Pelton: Office Hours as webisodes (link). Some of the names differ, but they mostly match with the webisodes here. I think Study Break, Road to the Emmys, Save Greendale, and the "Other" table could be removed. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I said I'd circle back so here's a full review:

  • "American sitcom" → "American television sitcom"
 Done
  • If the lead sentence includes the start date, it should also include the end date (otherwise comes off as awkward or implies it's still airing)
 Done
  • Can't use a source from 2013 as a citation that Harmon was showrunner through 2015
 Done
  • Last two sentences of lead paragraph ("The series follows ... television clichés and tropes.") needs citations
 Done
  • "Ken Jeong, Chevy Chase," → "Ken Jeong, and Chevy Chase,"
 Done
  • "incident" is misspelled
 Done
  • Spell out "five" in "season 5" for consistency
 Done
  • "followed Nicole-Brown" → "followed by Brown"
 Done
  • "However it was given a reduced episode count down from 20+ to 13, this trend continued for the remainder of the show." – too much synthesis here, just say it was picked up for 13 episodes in the previous sentence
 Done
  • Add comma after "The day after the season four finale"
 Done
  • Replace comma after "it had renewed the series for a fifth season" with a semicolon to avoid a comma splice
 Done
  • No need to say the year twice for seasons 4, 5, and 6 – for instance, "the season ran from January 2 to April 17, 2014" is less repetitive
 Done
  • "A month later in May" – redundant
 Done
  • Since the list takes the time to list every renewal, I would include some other key context, either in the lead or in the body:
 Done
    • Season 1 was originally a smaller order of episodes (maybe 13?); it was increased to 22 in the fall and to 25 sometime in the winter/spring
 Done I found nothing about originally being 13 everything said that it was originally 22 episodes and later extended to 25
    • Season 3 saw the show put on hiatus over the winter
 Done
    • Season 4 was originally scheduled to air in fall 2012 before moving to spring 2013
 Done
    • The main Community article probably includes information about this; otherwise, a Google search should provide information about these events.
  • Start to each section should say "ended on" instead of just "ended"
 Done
  • "consisted of" → "consists of" (seasons still exist)
 Done
  • Follow WP:ITHAT for "Main article" links
 Done
  • Footnote a: Several changes here as well
 Done
    • No comma after "original broadcast"
 Done
    • Remove "and chronological" – gets confusing (are we talking about the internal timeline or the real-world broadcast timeline?) and is covered by "production order"
 Done
    • "all home media releases" → "home media releases" (streaming arguably falls into this category and Netflix and Hulu use the broadcast order, so no need to emphasize "all")
 Done
    • Include the same footnote next to episode 11
 Done
  • "The webisodes parody events that happen ... believe Abed can see the future." – citation needed
 Done
  • Remove "the main show" (redundant)
 Done
  • "The webisodes also appear" → "The webisodes also appeared" (website is now dead)
 Done
  • Remove "(plus a trailer)" (unsourced and not too important)
 Done
  • Links to sister projects are incorrect
 Done

— RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:06, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@RunningTiger123: What does "Links to sister projects are incorrect" mean? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 21:21, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The bottom of the page include Template:Sister project links, and the links are to the generic term "community" instead of "Community (TV series)". RunningTiger123 (talk) 23:53, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@RunningTiger123: Thank you and I have now adressed all of the problems. Hopefully I didnt cause anymore, if all goes right this is my first FL, cant wait to see the signpost joke it gets paired with, Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I made a few more copyedits where I either missed something earlier or wasn't clear about the change – feel free to ask if you have questions. I also found a reference for the original season 1 episode count being 13 and added it. RunningTiger123 (talk) 17:17, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support – RunningTiger123 (talk) 17:18, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB) edit

  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. For the {{Episode table}} template, you just add a |caption parameter. The caption is set to be screen-reader only by default; to make it visual add |show_caption=y.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 18:57, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @PresN: I'm confused as to what you mean I've read the MOS:DTAB and I doesnt see how to apply it to the episode table. I was looking at the tutorial page and it seems to be box lists and not the episode table. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 05:46, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since episode lists generate the table with a template, to add the caption you need to add a parameter to the template. Wherever you're using {{Episode table}}, add a "caption" parameter there, like {{Episode table|caption=Season one episodes}}. --PresN 16:25, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I went to all of the episode articles and added the parameter Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 20:38, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Bilorv edit

Thanks for your work so far! I hope we can get this one promoted.

  • Community: The Movie reads like an official title, but so far as I know the movie has not been named. Instead the section could be titled "Upcoming movie", "Untitled movie" or simply "Movie".
 Done I labeled it "Untitled movie".
  • Community is quite remarkable in its history of renewals and cancellations. There's some good information on this in the body but I'd add (with these sources as a starting point: [2][3][4]):
    • In the lead and the body for season 3: the season 3 mid-season hiatus led to a "Save Community" fan campaign, with use of the slogan "six seasons and a movie" (from "Paradigms of Human Memory"). This was later reused by fans whenever the show's future was uncertain.
 Done
    • In the body for season 5: NBC cancelled the series and then Yahoo! picked it up (this is mentioned/sourced in the lead).
 Done
    • In the body for season 6: Yahoo! considered a seventh season but there were contract issues (ref #118). Shortly after Yahoo! Screen went bust anyway (ref #19).
 Done
    • I think there's more ups and downs to the movie but this section is going to change anyway based on future movie news and I think it's passable as it stands.
  • Refs #102 and #141 don't take me to the right place (can you archive and then check it's worked?). No other issues in the refs I checked (#1, #11, #19, #23, #24, #30, #51, #73, #76, #118, #136, as of Special:Permalink/).
 Done Adjusted the links might be a problem with the archive links though I removed them and will run the page through the bot when I finish the other changes. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 06:17, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't part of the featured list criteria, but you could also consider a consistent reference style (e.g. are website names like TV by the Numbers/Entertainment Weekly linked or unlinked?). This would also mean reformatting the season 1–6 articles to a consistent style, at least for the tables transcluded here. — Bilorv (talk) 23:54, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Bilorv: I have covered what you have addressed , any other concerns? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 06:17, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • There's some issues with the new text: the source doesn't verify that "six seasons and a movie" was used after the season 3/4 finales (and it wasn't used after season 6: "and a movie" was). You can't use a comma to separate two sentences ("this phrase went on ..." and "the series was ..." – see comma splice); "Notably appearing" doesn't start a standalone sentence; "Yahoo! Screen" needs to be followed by a period; "Untitled movie" shouldn't be in italics (it's not the name of the movie). — Bilorv (talk) 11:28, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      I think I have adressed those issues, somebody changed Untitled Movie back claiming sources called it that. I went looking they all say The Community Movie, except this one. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 20:34, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Okay, with this I'm now happy to support promotion to featured list status. — Bilorv (talk) 21:36, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Drive-by comment

Why are there no ratings listed for season 6? Hey man im josh (talk) 20:16, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hey man im josh: I'm not the nominator, but season 6 aired on a streaming service (Yahoo! Screen) so there are no ratings. — Bilorv (talk) 20:36, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bilorv: Gotcha, thanks. Then perhaps it would make sense to mention this below the ratings table, or add a row for season 6 and mention this with a reference in the table @OlifanofmrTennant? Hey man im josh (talk) 20:38, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hey man im josh: While I was originally going to add a efn to adress your problem . I looked for other locations where this is the case and the only one I found was The Flash (season 8) which just has text. So I have added a string of text. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 19:16, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
MPGuy2824
  • Season 3: "demanding the Community be returned" to "demanding that Community be returned".

 Done

  • Season 4: "Fridays at 8:30 pm" - which time zone?

 Done

  • "They later released a video of the cast of Community in character addressing the delay of the" to "They later released a video of the cast of Community, in character, addressing the delay of the"

 Done

  • "On October 30, NBC announced the new release date, returning to its original time slot of Thursdays at 8:00 pm.": "returning it to ..." OR "returning the show to ..."

 Done

  • Season 6: "first and only season". "first" is redundant since it was the only season to air on Y!Screen.

 Done

  • "Shortly after Yahoo! Screen was discontinued due to large financial losses" to "Shortly after Yahoo! Screen was itself discontinued due to large financial losses".

 Done

  • The Community College Chronicles (2009): "The webisodes also appeared on the Greendale Community College's website part of the A/V department's page." to "The webisodes also appeared as part of the A/V department's page on the Greendale Community College's website."

 Done

  • Ratings: Maybe you could hide the graphs until the problem with them are fixed by WMF and graph are viewable once more.
  • That's all I could find. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:57, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Z1720 edit

Image review: pass

Source review: Version reviewed

  • Ref 42, 43, & 50: What makes Ratings Ryan a high-quality source? Can a better source be used for the Neilson ratings?

 Done

  • Ref 101, 147 & 148: Per MOS:ALLCAPS, titles should not be in all caps even if the source used all caps, unless there is a special circumstance

 Done

  • Source review not completed.

Please ping when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 19:51, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: Done Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 21:14, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 21:27, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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