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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:27, 30 January 2021 (UTC) [1].

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List of Changeling: The Dreaming books

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Nominator(s): Alexandra^IDV 20:25, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello again! Here is my third FLC in my World of Darkness project; I currently have another FLC up, which has two supports and no unresolved concerns. This time, I present a list of the books for the tabletop RPG Changeling: The Dreaming, in the same format as the previous Vampire list: it is organized by which edition the books were released for, and is complete with descriptive annotations for each entry. I welcome and appreciate any C&C, as I want these lists to be the best they can be. Thank you!--Alexandra^IDV 20:25, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Comments

• The current caption doesn't make clear the link between the picture and the content of the article. I guess the princess in the picture is a changeling? That needs to be clarified, as currently there's no obvious reason why the picture is in the article. Does that make sense?
• "not enough to warrant being developed on the higher budget White Wolf Publishing normally operated at" => "not enough to warrant being developed on the higher budget at which White Wolf Publishing normally operated"
• How come the 20th anniversary books don't have ISBNs?
• Think that's it from me...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:49, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @ChrisTheDude: Thank you for your comments, I will respond to them in order:
  • Yes, it's a famous illustration from the children's story The Changelings - I have updated it to make it more clear. I chose this picture in part because it's a well known illustration in a similar art style to the CTD books, and in part because there are no freely-available CTD-specific images that we could use.
  • Thank you for the suggestion, I have implemented it.
  • Onyx Path is a smaller publisher that almost exclusively releases ebooks and print-on-demand books, without purchasing ISBNs for them - I believe the only book of theirs that actually has one is Chicago by Night.--Alexandra^IDV 12:20, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support - reading this took me right back, BTW, I had a girlfriend who was massively into this game c.1995..... :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:38, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Heck yeah! ^_^--Alexandra^IDV 12:46, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Resolved comments from ~ HAL333 22:41, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

;Comments Should the citations have dates formated like 2020-12-10? For some reason, I thought that was not advised, but I can't find the policy (Sometimes all this wikibureaucracy gets to me). That's the only thing that I noticed. ~ HAL333 20:44, 28 December 2020 (UTC) @HAL333: Hi and thank you for taking a look at the list! The YYYY-MM-DD format is allowed in references per MOS:DATEFORMAT; I prefer it for its brevity and clarity.--AlexandraIDV 22:38, 28 December 2020 (UTC) That works for me. :)

• Support ~ HAL333 22:41, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you!--Alexandra^IDV 22:46, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Comments Support by WA8MTWAYC

• Why was the 2017 release called "20th Anniversary Edition" when the game/first edition originally came out in 1995? (Nothing that needs amending here but I'm just curious)
• "which update the game rules" update --> updated?
• "books.[3][5] The books" this is repetitive

Otherwise it all looks good to me! WA8MTWAYC (talk) 21:46, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

• @WA8MTWAYC: Thank you for your comments, I will respond them below:
• I'm guessing it's a combination of: "20th Anniversary" is more marketable than than "22nd Anniversary"; uniformity with the earlier Vampire: The Masquerade 20th Anniversary Edition; and the crowdfunding campaign to finance the production did take place in 2015.
• Thanks, I've addressed this now - this is the kind of thing that easily happens when I write sentences out of order and move them around.--Alexandra^IDV 23:42, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the answers. Support - WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:43, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!--Alexandra^IDV 18:12, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Resolved comments from GeraldWL 11:54, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Comments from Gerald Waldo Luis Sounds like something I would play. Irritating comments, here we go... Shortdesc reads "Game books in the Changeling: The Dreaming series". I don't think it's a series. Also, wikimarkups don't render in shortdescs (the current shortdesc has wikimarkup). Why is "20th Anniversary Edition" italicized? Does video game journalism count as a "game book" in your opinion? Considering the whole paragraph 1 relies on ref 2 and 3, why not just remove the first three refs and leave it all for the last two? Less cluttered imo. Link fairy within "fae", if that what's referred? Can you add alt text for the image? That's all I have for this list. Will have to disclose that I did an edit merging those of the same publisher and reference, to save space. Hope you're fine with that. GeraldWL 10:22, 15 January 2021 (UTC) I will respond to your comments in order: Yes, you're correct - I have changed it to "Game books for Changeling: The Dreaming". I was unaware that wikimarkup does not render in short descriptions, so thank you bringing this to my attention - will keep this in mind for future articles. Because unlike the first and second editions, it is part of the title (which is also why it is capitalized). I'm sorry, I have no idea what you mean by this. Sure, I can do that - the reason for its previous set-up was in part because it was not written all at once from start to end, and in part because The books from the game's original run in 1995–2001 were published by White Wolf Publishing was entirely sourced to Designers & Dragons. The image already has the alt text John Bauer's 1913 illustration The Princess and the Trolls, depicting a changeling and two trolls. Thank you, your cell merger is appreciated.--AlexandraIDV 12:00, 15 January 2021 (UTC) @Gerald Waldo Luis: (forgot to ping you - I have replied to your comments)--AlexandraIDV 12:00, 15 January 2021 (UTC) You don't need to ping me; I've placed this on my watchlist. For point 3, I was referring to "These have been supported with supplementary game books", specifically on "game books". Was wondering if it could be linked to video game journalism. GeraldWL 12:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC) Game books and video game journalism are completely different things (and Changeling is a tabletop game, not a video game); game books are essentially the tabletop game equivalent of DLC and expansion packs in video games - they are books used when playing the game, such as books with information on the game's setting (for example I might get the book Immortal Eyes: The Toybox if I want to play a game of Changeling set in San Francisco).--AlexandraIDV 12:45, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

• Support — concerns addressed. Sounds like a fun game! Haven't played any non-E games since... since... S-S-Scrabble. GeraldWL 11:54, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Thank you!--Alexandra^IDV 11:58, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

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