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The list was not promoted by Matthewedwards 01:42, 10 May 2009 [1].

List of Case Closed episodes (season 1) edit

Nominator(s): DragonZero (talk)
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I am nominating this for featured list, again, to see if it is the best it can be as I will be using it as a base to split the other animated seasons of the series as well. I'll be able to fix problems addressed to try and promote the article. The summary length have been expanded to try and keep the size constant. DragonZero (talk) 23:15, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from User:NocturneNoir
Resolved comments from NocturneNoir
  • The first season of the Case Closed, originally titled Meitantei Conan (名探偵 コナン?, Detective Conan), anime was directed by Kenji Kodama and Yasuichiro Yamamoto and produced by TMS Entertainment and Yomiuri Telecasting Corporation. While this is grammatically correct (or so I'm lead to believe), originally titled Meitantei Conan (名探偵 コナン?, Detective Conan) causes the phrase to sound extremely awkward.
    • Split and put Detective Conan in own sentence. I think its fixed now.
  • The episodes' plot covers the incident causing Jimmy Kudo to become a child again and his life under the alias Conan Edogawa. Replace "causing" with "that caused". "again"? The list doesn't mention when he was child before, so he cannot become one "again" unless this is clarified. Finally, I initially read "and" as part of "the incident", which made the entire phrase confusing. I can see now that it is part of the "plot", but "the incident... and his life" should be brought closer so this is clear.
    • Fixed?
  • The episodes use five pieces of theme music: a single opening theme and two closing themes in the Japanese episodes and a single opening theme and a single ending theme in the English ones. Instead of saying "a single", just say "one".
    • Changed singles to one, hopefully I didn't miss anything.
  • The Japanese opening theme is "Mune ga Dokidoki" (胸がドキドキ?, lit. "My Heart Pounds") by The High-Lows, and the first ending theme being "Step by Step" by Ziggy followed by "Meikyuu no Lovers" (迷宮のラヴァーズ?, lit. "Lovers of the Labyrinth") by Heath. Replace "being" with "is". Might want to split the sentence several times, making it "...by The High-Lows. The first ending..." and "...by Ziggy. The second ending...". Further, can add the episode numbers of the openings and closings?
  • The English opening theme is a remixed version of the "Mune ga Dokidoki" named "First New Century" and the ending theme being the remixed version of "Step by Step", both of which are arranged and sung by Carl Finch. Comma after "Dokidoki" (are you sure it's not doki doki, Japanese for the sound of heartbeats?) Break this sentence at "..."Step by Step". Both are arranged...".
    • Split.
  • When episode one and two were rebroadcasted in Japan on April 2009, its opening was "Everlasting Luv" by Breakerz and its ending was "Doing it Right" by Garnet Crow. "Episode one and two" should read "Episodes one and two". Additionally, that phrase indicates a plural, which means "its opening" should be "their opening". Same issue with "its ending". "Rebroadcasted" is not a word; pleas replace this with "rebroadcast".
    • Replaced words.
  • The first season premiered in Japan on Yomiuri TV in 1996 and was released in Japan in seven DVD compilations by Shogakukan between February 22, 2006 and February 24, 2006 containing twenty eight episodes of the series. That is a really long sentence... Can you break that up? What probably would be best would be to state each fact in a separate sentence, i.e. a sentence for the premiere, a sentence for the release, and a sentence about the details of the release (twenty eight episodes, etc.) Further, it should be "twenty-eight". Finally, can you give the exact date of the premiere? It's January 8, 1996, I believe.
    • Fixed?
  • Case closed was broadcasted on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim programming block and on Canada's YTV station. Capitalize the second C in "Case Closed". "Broadcasted" is not a word; replace this with "broadcast".
    • Fixed?
  • The English adaption was released on four DVD compilation between February 21, 2006 and September 19, 2006 with the first compilation containing nine episodes of the series with the rest containing five episodes each. Since there are four, you need an "s" at then end of the first "compilation". You might also want to split this sentence.
    • Fixed?
  • The first season DVD boxset was released by Funimation on July 22, 2008 containing the first twenty five episodes of the series, three episodes short of the Japanese season. Replace "containing" with "and contained". "twenty five" should be "twenty-five". Add "making it" in front of "three episodes".
  • Conan is certain that the company's owner, Ms Howler is the one who killed her but can prove how as Megan went directly to the 8th floor in the elevator while Ms Howler went to the 15th . You've got an extra space. Further, but can prove how as Megan went directly to the 8th floor in the elevator while Ms Howler went to the 15th is confusing because it is grammatically incorrect.
  • Many of your notes are quite obvious (such as "Episode's numbering as followed in Japan"). Are you sure these are necessary and not extraneous?
    • I based them on the One Piece season 5 article.
  • What makes aga-search.com a reliable source?
    • The site has been reviewed and compared to other reliable sources (such as Animage, various books published on the topic, and so on) and has been found to be accurate in all cases. The site is not visitor-editable. The site is being used to verify the titles of episodes, and as the site has all of this information which has been verified to be correct, it seems better than citing the at least nine (possibly 10) separate issues of Animage (or other magazines) which would contain this same information. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 08:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • On an interesting note, it would require citing almost 160 issues of Animage to properly cite all the seasons so far due to the series covering over 13 years of episodes now. It's nice to have all this information all in one place. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 08:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The large amount of errors I found in the lead alone make me worried. You may want to find a good copyeditor to clean through this list because I don't believe this can pass in its current state. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR talk // contribs 22:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • Yeah, probably, but pointing out problems well help the article improve, even if it doesn't pass.
  • In Japan the series were both titled Meitantei Conan (名探偵 コナン?, Detective Conan) but was changed due to legal issues with the title Detective Conan. Series is singular, so use "was". What "both"? And there needs to be a comma after Japan.
    • Fixed?
  • When episodes one and two were re-aired in Japan on April 2009, thir opening theme was "Everlasting Luv" by Breakerz and their ending ending was "Doing it Right" by Garnet Crow. Thir should be "their".
    • Typo fixed
  • The episodes were later collected into seven DVD compilations by Shogakukan containing twenty eight episodes of the series. Replace "containing" with "and each contained". The "twenty eight" issue has not been fixed.
    • Each contained makes it sound as if the DVD's each contained twenty-eight episodes, unless my grammar is terribly off.
      • Right, stupid of me. Ehrm... how about Twenty-eight of the episodes were later collected into seven DVD compilations by Shogakuka.? ɳOCTURNEɳOIR talk // contribs 23:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Fixed
  • with the first compilation containing nine episodes of the series with the rest containing five episodes each. Try "with the first compilation containing the first nine episodes of the series and the rest containing five episodes each."
    • Thanks, copy pasted.
  • The first season DVD boxset was released by Funimation on July 22, 2008 and contained the first twenty-five episodes of the series, making it three episodes short of the Japanese season. Clarify that this is the North American release and not the Japanese one.
    • Fixed?
Thanks. Well, I asked a person if it seemed reliable but otherwise then that, I can't really prove it. DragonZero (talk) 05:21, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I fixed everything you suggested. For the notes, I was following the recently promoted One Piece episode list. DragonZero (talk) 05:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are several points to which you have failed to respond. Can you mark exactly what you've fixed? I've also added several more comments. On the issue of reliability, you need to prove the source's reliablilty or else you cannot use it. Could you link to your previous discussion over this source? ɳOCTURNEɳOIR talk // contribs 12:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the user I asked said it's accurate, and when I posted asking whether the site is reliable or not,the discussion receives no reply. Other places I posted about this.1
2 DragonZero (talk) 22:56, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I will add more comments later. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR talk // contribs 12:05, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The Japanese general reference covers the Japanese airdates, but the English airdates are completely unreferenced.
    • Done.
  • "They English adaption of season one was released in a" - The?
    • Fixed, typo.
  • "an English remixed of "Step by Step"" huh?
    • Fixed
  • You say all the other DVD's have five episodes. This one has six.
    • Fixed
  • Taking the above error into account and assuming (needs a ref so people can check) the other two DVDs have 5 each. 9+6+5+5=25. At the moment the last few sentences make it sound like it was only the box set that had the shorter 25 episodes. Did the individual release also not include certain episodes?
    • Removed information.
  • The box set is released by Funimation, and going by there numbering is the first 26 episodes. Try and make the sentence less ambiguous.
    • Fixed
  • I had a look on Amazon and the last 3 episodes are on the S2 DVD. This should be noted.
  • Summaries need a copyeditor. I only looked at the first one and found:
  • "Episodes 11 and 12 were originally a single hour long episode but split into two parts in the English release." better wording required
    • Fixed
  • English general references should have number ranges seperated by an ndash.
    • Fixed
  • YTV (TV channel) in the references should be piped as [[YTV (TV channel)|YTV]]
    • Fixed
  • I don't think http://conan.aga-search.com/501-2-2-1996conantv.html is a reliable source. This page (at the bottom) says that "website is an unofficial fan site". This affects (a lot) the Japanese airdates and ref 3.
    • Is there a way to prove it's reliability? I thought NihonJoe put up a good reason for it's reliability. It's not an official Conan fansite because the website is actually a fansite for detective themed media. DragonZero (talk) 23:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • This Signpost should tell you how to establish reliability. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 17:39, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Reliability proven. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga#Detective Conan reliable source, Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Online reliable sources.DragonZero (talk) 06:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • I'm sorry that thread does not "prove reliability". Reliabilty is established by third-party publications, or proof of rigorous fact checking by the site. That Signpost piece will tell you everything you need to know about showing reliability. However, currently I have seen none of these valid arguments, and only someone saying they checked out some of the content and it was correct. Whilst we're one reliabilty ToonZone.net also needs to have it's reliabilty established. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 21:46, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • Hmm, so to support the reliability of Aga-search, I would have to show a reliable source that prove that the information is correct?DragonZero (talk) 22:04, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
              • You can do one of the four things listed here.
                1. Show a page on the website about how they gather/check information
                2. Show that they are part of a bigger reputable media company – I'm pretty sure this isn't the case
                3. Show the author is a reputable member of the press – again I don't think this is likely
                4. Or, most likely, show a third party source (for example, a newspaper reviewing the site).
              Rambo's Revenge (talk) 22:17, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 22:07, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I think that the summaries are decent, but not particularily well-written. It would be a huge help if you could get a copyeditor to look over them. There are a lot of short (which I suppose is forgiveable since there you do need to try to keep the summaries short) and some awkwardly phrased sentences. For example, "Conan at school meets up with Amy Yeager, Mitch Tennison, and George Kaminski" doesn't read very well. "At school, Conan meets up with [...]" would be better. -- Scorpion0422 21:05, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Yeah I've been posting around to try and find a copyeditor. I'll go fix that sentence right now.DragonZero (talk) 22:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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