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List of Cardiff City F.C. seasons edit

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Nominator(s): Kosack (talk) 17:02, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I have worked to improve it to a level that should meet the required FL criteria. I have used the List of York City F.C. seasons, List of Watford F.C. seasons and List of Birmingham City F.C. seasons pages as guides in order to improve the list. I have also received some very helpful pointers from Struway2 to bring it up to scratch. Kosack (talk) 17:02, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments from ChrisTheDude
    • First sentence needs a source
    • "the club were granted permission to adopt the name Cardiff City" - by whom?
    • "but their relegation in 1962 lead" - spelling error
    • "the longest absence in the clubs history" - missing apostrophe
    • "22nd in the Fourth Division in the 1995–96 season" - how can this be? There was no Fourth Division in 1995-96
    • "saw them rise from the Fourth Division to the Second Division in just three seasons" - similarly, this can't be correct
    • Why are seasons before 1910 not included in the table? Is the data not available? If so, this should be clearly stated, although I'd be surprised if there wasn't a club history book that contained the info.......
    • In note I, system is spelt wrong
    • In note J, the name of the team was Corinthian (singular)
    • In note M, "The Third Division South Cup was abandoned at the sem-final stage during the 1938–39 season following the outbreak of World War II" - how can this be? The 1938-39 season would have been long over by the time war broke out (also, semi-final is spelt wrong)
    • Note Q needs a full stop.
    • As does note T
  • Think that's it..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:52, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: Thanks very much for reviewing the page. I've cleaned up the numerous grammar and spelling issues now. Some explanation on some of the points:
2 - The club history does not say who they actually applied to, HERE. If that is an issue then I'm happy to reword that sentence to something such as "changed their name to Cardiff City".
7 - Statistics for the seasons prior to 1910 seem to be non-existent as far as I can see. I own numerous club history books, including the "definitive" statistical history written by the club historian Richard Shepherd, but none of these provide any information on those seasons. The same can be said for the web sources such as the Football Club History Database and the Welsh Football Data Archive.
10 - The semi-final and final were held over until the following season but never played after the war broke out. The source for that is HERE. I have tidied up the note to hopefully explain that a bit better.
Thanks. Kosack (talk) 12:31, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, I've noticed a couple of other, fairly minor, points.....
    • In the notes, you use both "Division 1" and "Division One" (and similar) - choose one format and be consistent
    • General refs should be formatted using citation templates just like the specific ones
  • Think that's really it this time...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:54, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: Sorted those two issues now. Thanks. Kosack (talk) 14:01, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:48, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Link "friendlies" in the lead to Exhibition game for our non-English readers...
  • "in 1907. The following year, in 1908," - the "in 1908" is superfluous.
  • "been denied permission the" would lose the "permission" repeat here.
  • "also began competing regularly" or just "competed regularly"?
  • Consider link the English football pyramid phrase to English football league system.
  • "in the clubs history " club's.
  • "at Wembley Stadium in 1927.[7][8] They also won the FA Charity Shield in 1927 " two links in two consecutive sentences which simply say "1927". Avoid this kind of Easter egg linking.
  • "Cardiff City's league positions between 1920 and 2015" caption conflicts with the image heading.
  • Most of the season links are redirects, using a hyphen rather than an en-dash, that's not mega-important, but it'd be nice to fix them.
  • Be consistent, in the lead you have "World War I" but in the table you have "First World War" (I prefer the latter).
  • "Promoted via play-offs" colour needs a symbol too per WP:ACCESS.
  • Some hyphens in year ranges etc in the refs (e.g. ref 1).
  • Avoid SHOUTING in ref titles.
  • Ref 26 is lacking a page, publication year etc.
  • Ref 5 is from The Mirror (which should be The Mirror) which wouldn't usually be considered a reliable source.
  • Ref 11, Daily Telegraph is a work, not a publisher.
  • "Cardiff City F.C." is a superfluous category as you have "Cardiff City F.C. seasons" which is more refined.

Kosack, that's it from a quick run-through, sorry you had to wait three months for a second review. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:29, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: That's no problem, thanks for taking the time to review the page. I've hopefully sorted all the points you listed. Kosack (talk) 11:42, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

  • Randomly crosschecked five sources, no issues with close paraphrasing
  • Ref 10 can also be found in 'general'. But because you've put it in the 'specific' section, page numbers are needed.
  • Ref 7, 8, 11, 36 need authors
  • So do "England - Southern League Final Tables", and "England – List of FA Charity/Community Shield Matches".
  • What makes 'Sporting Heroes' a high-quality, reliable source? Same question goes for Footballsite.co.uk, I'd recommend that you change both.
  • Ref 9's 'rsssf.com' should be written as 'The Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation'
  • Books need publishing location
  • No dab links, or dead ones for that matter
  • Two images, both of which appropriately licensed Lemonade51 (talk) 13:30, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Lemonade51: Thanks for reviewing the page, I think I've fixed the issues you listed. Kosack (talk) 14:33, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 21:09, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments – Firstly, I apologize for how long this has taken. We've seen a slowdown in reviewing activity lately, and lists are having longer FLCs as a result. I was actually on the verge of archiving the FLC due to a lack of reviews, before The Rambling Man provided comments on Sunday and started a burst of activity. Let's see if we can bring this FLC a step closer to a happy conclusion, with the handful of comments I have after reading through the list.
  • "but their relegation in 1962 led to a decline in the clubs fortunes...". "clubs" → "club's".
  • Comma needed after Sam Hammam.
  • MOS:BOLD discourages the use of bolding for emphasis, which I see in places in the table. I understand that scopes force bolding, so I can live with the seasons being bold. However, I don't think the first-place finishes and cup wins should be bolded, as that would seem to go against the MoS guideline.
  • Per WP:ACCESS, colored items should have a matching symbol. These have been provided for several colors, but not for first- or second-place results.
  • Minor point, but the general references could stand to be put in alphabetical order, or at least the ones with authors. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:24, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Giants2008: Thanks very much for your review. I've fixed all those points apart from the fourth item. Other football lists, including the three I mentioned in the intro, seem to use the 1st or W, for example, as the actual key symbol itself rather than use something else. I'm happy to change if necessary but thought I would bring it up so it's inline with other football season articles. Kosack (talk) 07:22, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Still not thrilled with the symbol thing, but it's probably not worth further delaying matters. The rest of the list looks fine to me, so I'm willing to go along with the current formatting. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:09, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Double-checked that the source review responses fixed the issues, and they do, so promoting. --PresN 16:58, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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