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List of Billboard Top Holiday Albums number ones of the 2010s edit

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Nominator(s): Carbrera (talk) 22:39, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a list of works that reached number one on the US Top Holiday Albums chart in the 2010s decade. I have noticed that there are several other Billboard-related featured list candidates, and I am hoping to bring this one along too. I am the primary contributor to the list and it could become my sixth featured list if given support. I welcome all suggestions and feedback. Thank you. Carbrera (talk) 22:39, 10 February 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Comments
  • It might seem obvious but it might be worth stating in the lead that the chart is specifically for Christmas-themed albums, in case anyone thinks it's simply for the biggest-selling albums during the Christmas period (which could be any album)
  • "Other musicians, like Blake Shelton,.....,amongst others" - any particular reason for singling out these seven? I'd be tempted to scrap this sentence entirely and replace it with a brief comment on how many of these albums were actually the biggest-selling album in the country at the time and therefore also topped the Billboard 200. I know the Susan Boyle album did, but I don't think many of the others did. You could also mention some/all of the albums which also topped genre charts e.g. the Duck Dynasty one (somehow) also topped the country albums chart.........
  • Think that's it from me - great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:36, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ChrisTheDude – thank you for posting some comments so quickly. I have made edits to the list based upon your suggestions above. Let me know how it looks now, and thanks again. Carbrera (talk) 17:57, 11 February 2021 (UTC).[reply]
  • ChrisTheDude – thank you for the support. Would you mind commenting on the notability issue? Carbrera (talk) 15:18, 22 February 2021 (UTC).[reply]
  • Although the topic is not notable at all, this should be presented more like List of Billboard Hot 100 number-one singles of the 2010s, with only a new line when a different album reaches number one. There is zero need to have 9 or 10 lines for one album. Just indicate the number of weeks on the right in another column. Thanks. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 02:46, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars – I revised the table. It is not exactly like the list you suggested, partly due to the difficulty I had in attempting to convey that many albums reappear on the holiday charts every year (specifically Christmas by Michael Bublé and the first 2 Pentatonix releases), but I tried my best in making them similar. What do you think of it, now? Carbrera (talk) 20:16, 12 February 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Comments from HĐ edit

  • The lead is kind of fragmented. Why are some albums given specific sales figures, and why some aren't? Is it necessary to mention some artists' popularity/relevance during the holiday season (I could get it for Mariah Carey somewhat)? Some data are backed up by Billboard chart history of certain artists, which I am quite concerned whether it is a case of OR (i.e. returned to the top spot in 2016 after previously reaching it in 1998; I'd include a release year instead). I understand that as this is a decade-focused list, the lead may be particularly challenging to be engaging. I hope some of my comments help (and ping me when you've revised the lead). For the table, I concur with Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars as above. HĐ (talk) 05:05, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
HĐ – What do you think of the lead and table now? Carbrera (talk) 17:02, 1 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]
I have some remaining comments--
  • best-selling Christmas and holiday albums Isn't "Christmas album" and "holiday album" synonymous?
  • I still think Phil Robertson's homophobic remarks unnecessary.
  • Forbes is not entirely reliable per WP:RSP.
  • Center-aligning the ref. column would be great.
  • Other than that I am happy to support this FLC. I believe my comments are trivial and feasible. HĐ (talk) 01:18, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
HĐ – I settled on just "holiday albums", removed Robertson's remarks, and center-aligned the Ref. column. I can still remove Forbes if you feel it is unreliable, but I only kept it because the author of the article appears to have written for several other publications that were deemed reliable at RSP. (see [2]). Carbrera (talk) 15:21, 2 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]
I am still not confident in this author's credentials. He claimed himself to be a "freelance writer". At RSP for Forbes it says that it discourages "contributors" and only considers staff writers as reliable. This author is sorted as a "contributor". But I'll leave it up to the source reviewer--HĐ (talk) 01:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comments

I disagree with the edits made at Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars's suggestion. It is now unclear when albums return to the charts after leaving the top spot. For instance, Lady Antebellum's A Merry Little Christmas entered the top spot on October 30, 2010, for two weeks, but the next album listed is from November 20, 2010, which is three weeks later. It takes a lot of undue digging to realize that The Taylor Swift Holiday Collection snuck in there for a week. As I see it, there are two options: return to the original formatting (which I personally see no issue with), or restate an album every time it reappears in the chart. In the latter case, the number of weeks would refer to the number of consecutive weeks it was at number one during that run. So, for example, 2010 would have 2 weeks for My Christmas, 1 week for The Taylor Swift Holiday Collection, 2 weeks for Celtic Thunder: Christmas, 2 weeks for A Merry Little Christmas, and then 1 more week for The Taylor Swift Holiday Collection.

Other comments:

— RunningTiger123 (talk) 23:04, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I do see your point in how the chart is seasonal that an album returning to number one in December 2010 then again in December 2011. I prefer this layout, however, and List of UK Singles Chart number ones of the 2010s provides a way of showing returning number ones in a way you suggest. There's still a major concern about notability of the chart itself and this list, failing criteria 3c (it must meet all of the requirements for stand-alone lists, including WP:NLIST). None of the non-Billboard sources listed mention this chart and List of Billboard Holiday 100 number-one songs was deleted at AfD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk • contribs)
Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars – I do not share your same concern. If it is a matter of finding sources that refer to the chart, I have come across many in my research and can incorporate more into the article if necessary. The Forbes source I recently added to the list is one of them. Personally, I don't believe the other holiday chart is relevant to this discussion. The Top Holiday Albums chart has been around for decades, whereas the Holiday 100 has existed for less than 10 years according to the linked discussion. Carbrera (talk) 00:43, 15 February 2021 (UTC).[reply]
I also share the same concern with RunningTiger123. The List of UK Singles Chart number ones of the 2010s contains the same accessibility issue that was mentioned above, whereas the original layout I used does not. Switching to the format style on the UK list would require that each album be numbered in the table, which I don't know if I find very necessary. Carbrera (talk) 00:48, 15 February 2021 (UTC).[reply]
I think that the example provided by Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars works well. It's possible to simply exclude the "No." column while repeating entries that charted at separate times. As to criterion #3c... Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars is right in that the only non-Billboard source that actually mentions the Top Holiday Albums charts (at least that I could find) is the Forbes article, and that's tangential at best. However, since Billboard is established as a major record chart producer, I don't know that we have to find standalone sources for this specific chart. It's like the numerous pages in Category:Primetime Emmy Awards; many don't have third-party sources to back them up, but since the Emmys are the most prestigious award in American television, it isn't necessary to establish notability for each individual category. They're notable because they're Emmys and the Emmys in general are notable; maybe the same applies to Billboard charts. If he doesn't mind, I'd like to ping @ChrisTheDude on this, since he's worked a lot on country charts and probably has a better understanding of chart notability. RunningTiger123 (talk) 04:52, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In regards to the chart's appearance, I can agree to that. I will begin making edits to the list. Thanks for your suggestions so far. Carbrera (talk) 15:59, 15 February 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars, RunningTiger123 – Apologies for not pinging sooner but I recently changed the table's appearance. Thoughts? Carbrera (talk) 17:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Yes, that looks a lot better. RunningTiger123 (talk) 17:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support (assuming that any issues with criteria #3c are resolved) – RunningTiger123 (talk) 17:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please note: the table in this list did not meet WP:ACCESS requirements. Specifically: the table should have a caption (e.g. |+ caption), which can be inside of an {{sronly}} template if it would duplicate the section header. I've gone ahead and added it myself, but keep it in mind for future FLC nominations. Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 19:44, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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