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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Hahc21 10:01, 4 March 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of American football teams in the United Kingdom edit

Nominator(s): ★ Bald Zebra ★ ^talk 12:13, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list status because I've been working on this for a few years (on and off) and taken it through a couple of peer reviews, and I feel it is now ready for a full review. ★ Bald Zebra ★ ^talk 12:13, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the list is very nice, but I am opposed to the inclusion of the 'Other active teams'. First, I don't think youth teams in general are notable enough to be listed. [2] lists five teams in passing, but I see no reason why they deserve to be mentioned here. [3] mentions the first game for a local club, but I see no evidence that the team still exists. I am astonished that the Sheffield Vipers are included, as they are souced just to a Facebook page. This news article also mentions the creation of a team, without proof it is still active or why it's notable. Think about football/soccer teams in the UK, or American football teams (and even soccer) in America: there are way, way too many at all levels without notability to list every one. Although there are few UK Am. football teams altogether, that does not lower the bar for notability for inclusion. The rest of the list looks terrific and I support its nomination. Reywas92^Talk 16:34, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Do you mean restricting the list to teams that are actually affiliated with a league? I certainly don't have an issue with that - consider that section gone. ★ Bald Zebra ★ ^talk 19:39, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:50, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Seem to be a couple of issues with links per the tool here.
Hate "World War II" for a Brit English article, we'd usually say "Second World War".
You link to Touchdown: UK a lot, but no specific page numbers are given, I'd expect to see those here.
"the very first " no need for "very".
"have been formed since then," -> "have since been formed,"
Four paras under the BAFA section, could be merged easily to three or even two.
The table is going to need administration every year, since you have time-sensitive columns...
Sometimes you use flag with a capital F where it's inappropriate.
You have "college" as a col heading but they all look like universities to me.
Some of the uni names are incorrect, e.g. "University of Teeside" is actually "Teeside University".
Make sure all ref titles (and the rest of the list for that matter) comply with WP:DASH.
Last two external links look really poor quality, are they really appropriate to link out to in featured material?

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:04, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Rambling Man, and thanks for your comments: -

I think that tool is throwing up a few false positives as all those links check out, although the Swansea site is sometimes slow to connect.

Fair enough, that happens. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:05, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Text changed to "Second World War".
This one may be a problem as I had borrowed (and returned) a copy of this book and the owner has since left the country! If I can get my hands on another copy I can dig out the page numbers, but in the meantime I have inserted some more references to confirm the statements. Would it be worth removing the TD:UK references until then?

No, leave them, just don't be surprised if someone else picks up the same issue! The Rambling Man (talk) 22:05, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Text changed.
Text changed.
Section merged into three paragraphs.
Although the tables need annual maintenance, it's easy to do so as most teams remain in the same division between each season.
Text changed, except where used in reference titles.
Column heading changed to "University"
University names changed where needed (3 in total)
I did check the dashes / hyphens in the second peer review so these should be okay - however, I'll check them again tomorrow.
I've removed the last link, but I'm reluctant to remove the High School Football Europe link - I know the website is a horribly dated design (and that's putting it lightly), but it's still the league's official website.

Cheers, ★ Bald Zebra ★ ^talk 22:03, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone through the list and, as you suggested, there were a few stray hyphens lurking about. I believe I've dealt with all of them so the list should now comply with WP:DASH. ★ Bald Zebra ★ ^talk 16:08, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 23:06, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

Steel City Knights has a blank row in the Other team column, which I'm assuming was meant to be an em dash.
British Universities and Colleges Sport: Don't think BAFA needs a link here, since it was linked in prose in the previous section and the lead.
In this table, Division should be decapitalized, unless it is usually presented in capitalized form.
Both of the last two tables in the article could be made sortable. It would be beneficial even with the limited number of teams.
"The American High League in Europe...". Given the section title, is "School" missing here?
Bristol Academy Community League: In the table, Represented should not have the R capitalized.
Page numbers would be nice for the items cited by reference 1.
Print publishers should be italicized in the reference. This needs work in references 3, 4, 22, 33, 38, 51, 73, 99, and 157.
Ref 71 needs a publisher listed (Britball).
What makes Double Coverage (ref 117) a reliable source? It looks like somebody's blog, and blogs aren't typically reliable sources. Giants2008 (Talk) 15:25, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for your comments. I've taken care of most of these...

Done (twas an emdash, well spotted!)
Done (removed link)
Done (removed capitalisation)
Done (both are sortable now)
Done (fixed that typo)
Done (removed capitalisation)
The Rambling Man also picked this one up in his comments - as you'll see, I need to get myself another copy of the book before I can add page numbers.
Done (all italicised, would've been nice if the cite template did this automatically though... ;) )
Done (publisher added)
I regard Double Coverage as a reliable source as it's a site produced by 17 writers (rather than just a single writer) who are directly involved in the British game - mostly players and coaches.[4]

--★ Bald Zebra ★ ^talk 16:29, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not to worry, I've been able to find alternative references to replace the Double Coverage ones. ★ Bald Zebra ★ ^talk 17:23, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've decided to remove the Touchdown UK references until I can get hold of those page numbers - thankfully, all the statement which used this book are also backed up by other references. I can re-add them as soon as I can get hold of another copy. I believe this addresses all of the comments now. ★ Bald Zebra ★ ^talk 09:37, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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