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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Gimmetrow 12:32, 4 October 2008 [1].

Josh Homme discography edit

re-nominated. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 13:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC) previous FLC (16:20, 18 August 2008)[reply]

Support Having had no involvement with this current nomination, I hope my support is worth as much as everyone elses. My support is cautious, as the lead is quite long, though it does a good job of explaining the importance of Homme's involvement with these bands and why he deserves his own discography (He's not a solo artist but is the founder of multiple bands and a serial collaborator). Red157(talk • contribs) 18:57, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Aren't discographies of artists who have been in bands supposed to just be solo discogs? By that reckoning this list shouldn't even exist?! Andre666 (talk) 22:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If wikipedia didn't ever progress into new territory it would be a terrible site. Yes, discographies are normally restricted to solo artists and bands, but every once in a while something has to come along that's an exception to that rule. Homme has founded all those bands (Without discographies of their own currently) and as I've said before, needs to have a place where all his collaborations can be seen. As there's loads. Red157(talk • contribs) 12:13, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:43, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 08:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

  • John Garcia links to a dab page.
    • Corrected link;
  • "second guitarist, he befriending vocalist" what?
    •  Done
  • You call the Desert Sessions a collaboration but in the infobox you have 20 collaborations...?
    •  Done
  • "releasing several extended plays (EPs)" you've already abbreviated this.
    •  Done
  • " with Homme back behind the drum kit" reads like a music mag, not an encyclopedia.
    • " Done
  • Eagles of Death Metal is singular, so "released their second studio " ought to be "released its second ..."
    •  Done
  • "several related bands" what does related mean in this context?
    •  Done
  • "Rekords Rekords" is overlinked.
    •  Done
  • Headings should not have links in them.
    •  Done
  • "—" denotes releases that did not chart - are you sure? Do the sources prove they were actually released?
    •  Done
  • No chart positions for anything beside the Eagles of Death Metal?
The other artists haven't charted. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 11:49, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Collaborations - centrally align ref column.
    •  Done
  • I think I count 24 collaborations.
    •  Done
  • Artist should be Artist(s).
    •  Done
  • In Your Honour should be In Your Honor.
    •  Done
The Rambling Man (talk) 09:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

  • "with 26 different artists" prove this? I count 25 including the four bands he released albums with - and are you classing a band as an artist? Are you counting his collaboration with "Nick Oliveri, Brad Wilk" as two different artists? It's a little confusing. Done
    •  Not done - are you classing bands as artists?
      • Sorry for that last one.  Done
  • Two collaborations have no references.
    •  Not done
      • Sorry for that last one.  Done
  • Rancho de la Luna should be Rancho De La Luna. Done
  • "two albums, Volumes 1 & 2" but the link to the Volumes 1 & 2 describes it as a single album. And so do you later on. Done
  • "as the band developed " what? not sure this is true. Done}
  • "including the break-through Songs for the Deaf (2002)." - prove it was a break-through - it isn't cited. Done
  • " the Desert Sessions" should be "The Desert Sessions" shouldn't it? Done
  • "although Homme rarely tours " this sentence changes tense and the touring bit reads oddly compared to the clause before it.  Done

The Rambling Man (talk) 08:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

  • The only thing I want to point out is that why isn't it that in the lead there is a sentence stating how many albums he has released overall like in other discographies. Other than that the list looks good and has a great prose.--SRX 23:40, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Same as SRX
    • SEE COMMENT BY SKOMOROKH BELOW
  • The Desert Sessions is described as a "weekend of collaboration". I don't know if the subheading "With The Desert Sessions" is correct. "During" perhaps?
    • HOMME'S IS THE ONLY MEMBER
  • It says "Outside of his full-time projects, Homme has appeared on the releases of several bands, including ... Cocaine Rodeo (2000) and A Drug Problem That Never Existed (2003) by ... Mondo Generator" Mondo Generator lists him as an actual former band member, not just a two-time collaborator, or whatever. If that's so, this piece needs changing. If the information here is correct, then shouldn't the "With Mondo Generator" section be merged into the collaborations section? Done
  • Some of the "albums" are EPs, judging by their articles.REMOVED THE EPS SINCE THEY ARE NOT ALBUMS Done
  • Why no QotSA albums? You could transclude the table instead of writing it out all over again. Done
  • Wot, no singles, EPs, soundtrack appearances, etc etc?REMOVED THE EPS SINCE THEY ARE NOT ALBUMS Done
    • THE POINT WITH THIS LIST IS TO LIST THE ALBUMS HE HAS DONE

Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 06:54, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is ambiguity in the use of "The Desert Sessions" and "Mondo Generator". The former refers to both the event(s) (i.e. "during the Desert Sessions") and the "authors" of the albums (i.e. "With The Desert Sessions"). Similarly, Mondo G was not a proper band when Homme was a "member" - just a series of once-off gigs in which Nick Oliveri and his friends would play around. Mondo later became a fulltime band.
I agree that the Qotsa albums should be included. Done
Is it really beneficial to separate albums from EPs? The most intuitive two ways of doing so - all albums followed by all EPs or all Artist1 albums followed by all Artist1 EPs - break up the chornological order badly.
An EP is different. It's like including a single in there. They're different. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 20:38, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To SRX; there is no correct reliable source stating how many albums Homme has released. This is a problem unique to individual person discographies, as there is no boundary on what are "official" Josh Homme releases. Any number we would choose would be arbitrary. the skomorokh 12:45, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
perhaps something along the lines of "Homme has released #n albums with his bands, and has collaborated with other artists on a further #n." but better, obviously!  DoneMatthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 20:38, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • I was about to support the promotion to FL of this list, but then I saw new problems with the "new changes"
  • Josh Homme is an American rock musician. This list only includes albums he released with other bands. Homme's has released 18 studio albums and has collaberated with 26 different artists. - umm, discouraged using "this list." Also it would read better as "Josh Homme is an American rock musician, who has released 18 studio albums and has collaborated with 26 different artists." (Notice the flow and correct spelling of "collaboration.") Done
  • I am not to happy with the name as it is very redundant, discography means "albums released" What the title reads literally is This is a list of Josh Homme albums list of albums released (that's what it is literally saying) Who told you to move it to that name? Done

SRX 00:15, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I did, as all other discographies include singles, EPs, videos, etc. This one isn't supposed to, so similar to Mariah Carey albums discography, I suggested moving it. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well the Mariah Carey list is not Featured and it is a redirect to Mariah Carey discography. I'm not sure whether other FL's are like that, but the name doesn't seem right, as discography is a list of albums or released work, or in other words it's the same thing as Mariah Carey albums so IMO it's either or.SRX 02:32, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Last time I checked it wasn't! :P Well, I don't care if it moves back, so long as the lead clearly defines the scope, and says that it doesn't include singles and everything else. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 03:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - meets WP:FL?.SRX 02:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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