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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 16:10, 17 September 2011 [1].

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Nominator(s): Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 23:51, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because...It’s a former DYK candidate which I believe is close to being ready for FL. Follows a similar format to the other NBA Awards articles that are already FL. I am also nominating this to be part of the NBA Awards Featured Topic if the FL is successful Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 23:51, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 21:13, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "Most of the players who have won" have is redundant as the award is no longer in existence
Fixed. When you say redundant, I think you mean passive Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 15:33, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "given out nineteen times" I think this could be worded better, presented maybe? something along those lines
Given or given out seems to be what is used in similar articles, such as the NBA Sixth Man Award Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 15:33, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "David Robinson has won five IBM Awards, Charles Barkley has earned three, and Michael Jordan and Shaquille O'Neal have won two each." again all the has and have need removing as the award no longer exists
Fixed
  • "all also won NBA Most Valuable Player" remove all
Fixed
  • "additionally won both awards in the same season" remove additionally
Fixed
  • "1999-2000 and 2000-2001 NBA seasons" you need to use endashes instead of hyphens and I would provide a link to the relevant season articles.
Fixed
  • "The award is given to the player with the highest point total" change is to was and should probably change stands for stood in the sentence before
Fixed the one in quotes; stand/stood is debatable as it could be referencing as you read it now, not just as when the award was given. Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 15:33, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there any way to shorten the width of the formula it stretches the screen on my laptop and I imagine it would do the same for most users.
I abbreviated player to plyr and points to PTS, and it fits on mine Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 15:33, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The images need alt text and the you need to include a caption for the table and scope row to bring the table up to WP:ACCESS standards see MOS:DTT for more info
Added caption, scoperow, and alttext Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 15:33, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
For the alt text you need to describe the image not simply put the name of the person who is in the image. Its for people who are unable to see images, therefore having the alt text as simply Charles Barkley is not going to help them picture the image. Plus the years in the table need aligning centrally. NapHit (talk) 16:32, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have added that Barkley and Robinson are head shots, and that Duncan's picture is of him playing basketball (I would have had a headshot for him as well, but I couldn't find one). This is similar to the captions at NBA Most Valuable Player Award and J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award. With regard to center-aligned, row scope HAS been turned on for each column, and so has plainrowheaders, so it's still left. The aforementioned FLs have left-aligned year columns, so I believe the precedent is for left-aligned columns throughout the table. In addition, considering the horizontal size of the column, being left-, center- or right-aligned probably doesn't make much of the difference. But, if you so desire, I can turn off plainrowheaders. Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 18:34, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I can't find a guideline on alignment so I'd just leave it as it is. Personally I would the seasons to be centrally aligned but its just that a preference. NapHit (talk) 21:13, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I checked with TRM...there apparently isn't one Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 21:54, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also don't force the size of the images, inputting upright should instead of 150px should be fine
Fixed
  • refs 2 to 5 need properly formatting a publisher and work fields need to be provided
Added that Basketball-Reference.com is the work; Sports Reference LLC is the Publisher Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 15:33, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • ref 6 the page should be p instead of pp as your only using one page
Fixed
  • ref 7 redirects to the nba homepage
Changed out the reference Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 15:33, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NapHit (talk) 13:09, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Just one more issue before I support, this sentence: "meant to determine which player was most valuable to his team" would indicate that every player from every team gets the award, as that's the way it reads to me. I would clarify that the person with the best score or whatever the formula churned out is the recipient of the award. NapHit (talk) 21:13, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I reworded it to "...meant to determine which player had the best season in the NBA that year", if that doesn't work, I'll probably just toss the clause altogether. I notice that the NBA MVP lacks a descriptive clause. The best score clause is mentioned in the formula section, but can be moved to the lead if need be Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 21:54, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I made the description clearer and added a reference, aside from this its a great list, well done NapHit (talk) 23:15, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:44, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Explain NBA before you use the abbreviation.
Fixed. Linked and un-acronymed Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 16:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge the second and third sentences because it reads clunky right now, "company IBM. It was " -> "company IBM and was "
Fixed Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 16:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • " forwards or centers; many finished near the top in rebounding " suitable links here would be useful for non-basketball fans.]
Fixed Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 16:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The award was given out nineteen times," -> "The award was presented nineteen.."
As noted before, "given out" seems to be the prevailing phraseology among NBA Award Featured Lists, but I will change to presented if a compelling reason for bucking the trend is given Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 16:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Detroit Pistons. [2]" remove the space. Ditto on the next time you use [2].
Fixed
  • "Of IBM Award winners eligible for the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, all have been inducted" reverse this. "All IBM Award winners are..."
Rephrased somewhat. I can't just say "All IBM Award winners are in the Hall of Fame" because four are either still active or haven't been retired long enough to have been voted on Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 16:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't relink Magic.
  • Or Duncan.
Fixed Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 16:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Hill and Duncan are the only winners currently playing in the NBA." ref please.
Fixed Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 16:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Formula is overwhelmingly large. Please reduce its size, or explain it another way.
Huge bucket of syrup. Prose won't work for this, because most people will get lost. It was smaller back when I got it DYKed when it wasn't in formula mode see here; we could go back to that, with the added explanation of what all that stuff means that I put in last week. Ideally, it could work if I split the top part onto two lines, but I dunno how to do that. It should be noted that the formula fits on Firefox, but not on IE Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 16:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Any chance you could make it a note, or move the section below the table, right now it's very off-putting where it's placed in the article. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:39, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I have moved the formula section below the table section, and am also putting the formula in a collapsed box that can be shown on click Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 17:54, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Images should all be standard size (e.g. upright) and complete sentences in captions need full stops.
Periods have been added. Images already were upright. Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 16:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Be consistent with season formats between lead and table.
Fixed Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 16:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Duncan is US Virgin Islands so why is he listed as USA?
Another bucket of syrup. Duncan was born in the U.S. Virgin Islands. The U.S. Virgin Islands is part of the United States (therefore, Duncan is a U.S. citizen), but it has its own Olympic Committee, and sometimes its own basketball team. Duncan has never played for the USVI basketball team, though he did play for the U.S. national basketball team in 2004. In the NBA MVP table, the year Duncan won the MVP (which was also the year he won the IBM Award), he is listed as United States, but with a note (with two references) explaining his heritage. I have adapted that note for these purposes. Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 16:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Notes a and b are referenced where?
They were referenced in the prose section "These players have won MVPs...these players have won DPOYs", but I have copied the references for the notes as well Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 16:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 20:59, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:02, 10 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • A link to NBA Most Valuable Player Award in the third paragraph would be nice.
Fixed, and DPOY linked as well Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 16:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the key, I would remove "has" from "Denotes the number of times the player has won the IBM Award", since that implies present tense. Since the award isn't given out any more, it seems odd.
Fixed Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 16:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is the second general reference an official NBA page? Sight unseen, it looks a little sketchy. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 01:25, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It appears to be licensed by the NBA, as it has the NBA logo on it. It also jibes with the information in the book, so it is factually accurate Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 16:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If that doesn't work for you, I have suggested two other sites on your talk page. Work with me here...we can fix this Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 13:51, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
After seeing the message on my talk page, I'd recommend replacing this link with the APBR one. I've seen that used before and have no issues with it. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:02, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I believe I have replaced the old website with the APBR one Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 23:25, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
One more quick, nit-picky thing: the 0 in the date should be removed in the new ref. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 03:02, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Spurious 0 removed Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 05:15, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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