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Hong Kong Film Award for Best Actress edit

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Nominator(s): Tsange ☯ Talk 17:35, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this article to become a featured list as after a lot of work I feel that it now meets Wikipedia's FL criteria. In terms of the article's layout and style I have attempted to make it mirror that of the article Academy Award for Best Actress. It is perhaps worth mentioning that the table reference column contains a reference for both film nominations and individual references for the character names. Tsange ☯ Talk 17:35, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:16, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments sorry you've had to wait more than a fortnight for some comments, here's a few to get you started.
  • The lead is a little brief for my taste, have a look at Academy Award for Best Actress for some ideas.
  • "a Hong Kong film" is that a film made by a Hong Kong company, one filmed in Hong Kong, one funded by Hong Kong backing? Can you explain?
  • "by Professional Adjudicators" why the capitalisation here?
  • "honoured on 5 separate" five, per MOSNUM.
  • "on 3 other occasions." three, per MOSNUM, check for others.
  • God of Cookery is The God of Cookery.
  • "The Soong Sisters" doesn't link to a film.
  • Tiger Dragon needs a comma in the title.
  • "Age superlatives" section is unreferenced.
  • Split the refs using 30em rather than 2 so it scales for screen width.
  • Ensure retrieval dates are consistently formatted.

The Rambling Man (talk) 11:05, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: Fixed the issues you mentioned and expanded the lead section. Tsange ☯ Talk 20:07, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, the second and third para of the lead start identically and repeat some info. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:05, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man:Sorry about that, it's fixed now. Tsange ☯ Talk 18:04, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Skr15081997
  • This link is dead since 17 March.
  • "given in honour of an actress" --> "given to honour an actress"
  • "for her role in the in"
  • "were-bye" --> "whereby"
  • Maybe we can have "annually at the Hong Kong Film Awards (HKFA) is an award" in the lead so the readers know what "HKFA" mentioned in the 2nd para means.
  • "scoring process in where 55%"
  • I think it would be good if there's a citation for the 2nd para.
  • Since the awards are presented for roles in Hong Kong films it would be good if 1981/1982 link to the particular year's Hong Kong films.
  • Are you sure that all subjects of the redlinks in the list are notable enough that Wikipedia will have articles on them someday?
  • I think the "See Also" can be removed as all the links under it are given in the templates at the end of the page.
  • The list should be sortable.
  • The Straits Times is a newspaper so it should be italicized in the citations.
  • I don't think that accessdates are necessary in {{cite book}} templates.
  • In cases where the cited article's title is in Chinese adding it's English translation would be helpful. Use |trans_title= in the citation templates.
I will leave more comments after the above ones are resolved. --Skr15081997 (talk) 15:20, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Skr15081997: Okay I think I've fixed these issues and have limited the number of redlinks to just winning films or those that have notability in the West. Tsange (Talk) 21:22, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • werebye should be whereby
  • In the infobox the links– 1981 in film and 1982 in film should be List of Hong Kong films of 1981 and List of Hong Kong films of 1982.
  • The Refs column needn't be sorted instead do that for the films column.
  • Also it would be good to use {{Sort}} for the names of characters and actresses and film titles beginning with an article.
  • Titles used in citations shouldn't be all caps. We can change them to normal form.
  • There's inconsistency in the citations, for example, one citation uses hkfaa.com and a few others use Official website of Hong Kong Film Awards though they are citing the same website. Same for South China Morning Post, The New York Times and a few others.
  • Rotten Tomatoes is a website so there's no need to italicize it.
Please ensure that the citations are consistent. Newspapers and magazines should be italicized but not the web publishers. You can check other film-related FLs for guidance. I am really interested in this list and I will leave a few more comments once the above ones are resolved. --Skr15081997 (talk) 03:20, 3 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Skr15081997: Done with these issues, also to prevent duplicate book references I created a bibliography section. Tsange (Talk) 13:58, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You've done excellent work on the lead and the table. I have gone through the citations and there are a few issues:

  • Instead of Official website of Hong Kong Film Awards. HKFA, the {{cite web}} template can simply have Hong Kong Film Awards in the |publisher= parameter.
  • Time Out is a magazine so it should be italicized.
  • You've used IMDb as a source but that's not a RS.
  • Are you sure HKMDB, Cultural-china.com & Love HK Film are reliable enough for FLs?
  • Hong Kong Cinemagic, Indie Wire, Hollywood.com, China Internet Information Center(China.org.in), All-China Women's Federation (Women of China), Screen Anarchy, Screen Daily, Smithsonian Institution can be linked
  • It's good that you have created a separate section for books but one full book citation is till there as #ref 51.
  • Senses of Cinema should be linked and italicized.
  • At one place you use Time but at other Time (magazine)
  • MTV shouldn't be italicized.
  • What makes nmplus.hk reliable?
  • I think the |page= parameter can be removed from the book citations.

That's it for me. --Skr15081997 (talk) 14:50, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]


@Skr15081997: Issues have been fixed, however regarding the reliability of the sources I have outlined some reasons why they may be considered reliable.Tsange (Talk) 11:02, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

HKMDB - This website has been widely referenced and recommended by numerous published books including

  • The Hong Kong Filmography, 1977-1997 by John Charles
  • Once upon a Time in China: A Guide to Hong Kong, Chinese, and Taiwanese Cinema by Jeff Yang
  • The Cinema of Tsui Hark by Lisa Morton

Love HK Film - The site's principle editor is part of the Hong Kong Film Critics Society and the resource has been cited by sources such as the South China Morning Post, the Singapore Straits Times, Time Out and Film Comment.[2]

Cultural-china.com - Changed the reference to a BBC source instead

nmplus.hk- NMPlus is part of New Media Group, a publishing company on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange

Support: I have made a few edits to the page (diff). I'm Ok with HKMDB (the John Charles book was published by McFarland). After seeing the arguments I'm convinced that the sources are reliable enough. Good job on this list. --Skr15081997 (talk) 14:11, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Yashthepunisher
  • 'Hong Kong film' should be linked to Cinema of Hong Kong
  • "The 1st Hong Kong Film Awards ceremony was held in 1982, with no formal nomination procedure established the award was given to Kara Hui for her role in My Young Auntie." A semi-colon is missing somewhere.
  • Inverted comma's are missing from some instances in the second para.
  • HKMDB --> Hong Kong Movie DataBase.

Yashthepunisher (talk) 18:47, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Yashthepunisher: Issues have been fixed. Tsange (Talk) 15:45, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Littlecarmen (talk) 14:05, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Littlecarmen
  • "After the first award ceremony a" Add a comma after "ceremony".
  • "Firstly prospective nominees are marked with a weight of 50% each from HKFA voters and a hundred professional adjudicators contributing towards a final score with which the top five nominees advance to the second round of voting." Add commas after "firstly" and "adjudicators".
  • "Since its inception 78 actresses" Add a comma after "inception".
  • "thereafter the winner is chosen from a list of nominees from the chosen category" should be its own sentence. Littlecarmen (talk) 15:34, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Littlecarmen: Issues have been fixed. Tsange (Talk) 15:45, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Littlecarmen: Sorry I missed that, its added now. Tsange (Talk) 13:21, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Good job on this list! I also currently have an FLC nomination going here and I'd appreciate it if you could take a look at it. Littlecarmen (talk) 14:05, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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