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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 20:21, 10 October 2009 [1].

George Michael discography edit

Nominator(s): Mister sparky (talk) 20:28, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because i have done alot of work to improve the content, quality and sourcing etc of this article in the past few weeks and feel that it is a good, well referenced reflection of the artists work. It has also been peer reviewed and the suggestions acted upon. Mister sparky (talk) 20:28, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • Where's the reference for "Careless Whisper"'s director?
having problems finding a reliable source for the careless whisper and i want your sex videos :( Mister sparky (talk) 23:04, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first general reference just goes to the home page of his official website? Where's the link to the page with the relevant information? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:53, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
you cannot actually link to the discography page of the website, but have changed the link so all you have to do is click on the discography tab. Mister sparky (talk) 23:04, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
sorted now. Mister sparky (talk) 16:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:53, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Diaa
  1. It says under Music videos "This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it." ??? --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 22:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    dont know why it said that, just need to find 2 directors. removed now. Mister sparky (talk) 02:07, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The title column width of al tables should be consistent. Singles and Albums aren't
    fixed. Mister sparky (talk) 02:07, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Why can't you give George Michael Official Website Discography as a link in General References?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 22:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    fixed. Mister sparky (talk) 02:07, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  4. What's "Studio: (#)" in DVD and VHS ?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 22:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    dont know why that was there, gone now. Mister sparky (talk) 02:07, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Change "DVD and VHS" to "Video albums"--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:54, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    done. Mister sparky (talk) 11:57, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Have a column in "Video albums" for the certificiations.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:54, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    done, but need to add the uk ones. Mister sparky (talk) 11:57, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Who is the distributor of those videos? Please add that to the second column. --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:54, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Change "DVD" column to Video details--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:54, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    done. Mister sparky (talk) 11:57, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Move video albums before Music videos --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:54, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    done. Mister sparky (talk) 11:57, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  10. See if you can find chart information for the Video releases--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:54, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    any ideas where from? as far as i'm aware i dont know of any country that archives dvd charts? Mister sparky (talk) 21:23, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  11. There seems to be two releases of "Twenty Five" one in the UK and one in the US.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:54, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    as with most artists there is always different versions for different countries but they are still classed as the same release. Mister sparky (talk) 11:57, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Merge the two "Andy Morahan & George Michael" cells in Music videos and find references for the two new directors.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:54, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    done. Mister sparky (talk) 11:57, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  13. wikilink "English" in the lead to the appropriate article--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:54, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    have been told in previous flc's not to do that as its very self explanatory what english means? Mister sparky (talk) 11:57, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  14. Expand the Infobox to include Video Albums, other appearances (As featured artist)--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:54, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    done. Mister sparky (talk) 21:23, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  15. Wikilink various Music video directors.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:54, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    done. Mister sparky (talk) 21:23, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is a great list, some comments though:

  1. Aren't the music video directors notable enough to have red links?
    i thought redlinks weren't allowed in featured lists? or am i wrong with that? Mister sparky (talk) 17:33, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Redlinks are very much allowed on FLs, unless of un-notable subjects.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:40, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    okay cool, thanks for clearing that up :) added now. Mister sparky (talk) 18:02, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The notes column in Video Albums is a bit weird. I think certifications might be better before the notes columns and the two last video albums could have a bit longer notes to fill the row... --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 16:59, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    swapped the columns round. what other info do you suggest then? Mister sparky (talk) 23:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  3. "Careless Whisper" music video director doesn't have a ref.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 16:59, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    i know, as i said above i cant find a reliable enough source :( Mister sparky (talk) 17:33, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  4. "and was certified diamond." for people who don't know anything about discographies and music certifications it might be good to explain what certifications are and what diamond means. Maybe a wikilink or some short explaination.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 16:59, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    fixed. Mister sparky (talk) 17:33, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Wikilink British Phonographic Industry in the lead.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 16:59, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    done. Mister sparky (talk) 17:33, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  6. "Five Live EP" Maybe separate EP from the wikilink cause it doesn't include EP in the name.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 16:59, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    done. Mister sparky (talk) 17:33, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  7. "and was certified 4× platinum by the British Phonographic Industry (BPI)" is repeated twice in the second paragraph.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:38, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    haha oops! fixed now. Mister sparky (talk) 18:02, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  8. "which peaked at number two in the US[3] and number one in the UK[1] and was certified 4× platinum." maybe a comma instead of the first "and"?
    fixed. Mister sparky (talk) 22:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  9. You linked in "Peak chart positions" under Singles to "UK Albums Chart" and "Austria". Please differentiate between album charts and singles charts. There are also many MegaCharts which one is here? --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 18:13, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    fixed. Mister sparky (talk) 22:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Not yet. Why is Austria wikilinked in the Albums chart? Billboard 200 is for albums, and Billboard 100 is for singles; which one do u have under singles? Make sure you don't have the same charts. There is a differentiation between singles and albums.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 22:21, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    forgot about those. according to their website "o3 Austria Top 40" is the name of both the album and singles charts, but the wiki article only mentions the singles charts... Mister sparky (talk) 22:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  10. The publishers in the references are incorrect. Ie. The publisher for the this is Hung Medien and not australian-charts.com, which might be put under |work=. Please fix all refs accordingly.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 22:21, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    have formatted the hung medien sites how i was advised to in other flc's Mister sparky (talk) 22:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    looks good.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 23:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  11. "The album is Michael's most successful in the UK, having reached number one, and was certified 7× platinum." maybe instead having reached, "reaching"?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 23:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    changed. Mister sparky (talk) 23:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  12. "included new interpretations of popular songs" don't understand new interpretations. New music, melody, lyrics?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 23:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    altered phrasing. Mister sparky (talk) 23:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  13. "celebrating the 25th anniversary of his music career and debuted at number one in the UK" I think "and debuting"--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 23:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    changed. Mister sparky (talk) 23:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  14. Please specify MegaCharts for Albums section.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 23:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    the Mega Album Top 100 doesnt have its own wiki page, its just got its own section on the MegaCharts page. Mister sparky (talk) 23:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  15. You didn't mention him as featured artist, video albums released by him or music videos. These are sections that should be handled in the lead. Try to reduce some portions and increase this part in the lead.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 23:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    his 2 most successful collaborations are mentioned in the lead, the music videos and video albums are mentioned in the infobox and first sentence of the lead. i have never seen a discography where they have any other mention in the lead? Mister sparky (talk) 23:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  16. "UK Gold" should be "UK: Gold"--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 23:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    fixed. Mister sparky (talk) 23:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  17. In extended plays the UK: Gold doesn't have a bulletin--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 23:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    fixed. Mister sparky (talk) 23:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  18. "Songs from the Last Century" received a silver and not a 2X Platinum in the UK.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 23:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    according to the bpi website it is 2x platinum, you have to click on more info Mister sparky (talk) 23:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  19. 10 x Platinum = Diamond. Why don't u have that in the Certifications? There are also differences between the country specific certifications. US has diamond for 10 million wile Canada has it for 1 million (be careful). I suggest putting in brackets the actual numbers.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 23:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    in other flc's it has been discouraged to include numbers bcos it clutters up the column and it states what different countries limits are in the sales thresholds wikilink at the top of the column. Mister sparky (talk) 23:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  20. ""—" denotes releases that did not chart" should be consistent in all tables. replace the two other tables that have ""—" denotes releases that did not chart or was not released." with this.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 00:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    ive made all the tables have the 2nd one, cuz somebody else would probly ask "well how did u know that x was released in this particular country?" 00:36, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
  21. The year column and title column should have consistent width in all tables.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 00:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    they are all the same width as far as i can see? Mister sparky (talk) 00:36, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think that covers all that I could think of. Tell me what you think about the two points and I'll support.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 00:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support after about 35 resolved comments the list is undoubtedly of featured quality.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 00:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Nice to see a discography for an artist that has produced a body of work long enough to be worth listing stand-alone. None of the external links meet our WP:EL policy for this list, and that includes the Commons link. Colin°Talk 19:58, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Well written, well researched and referenced. I checked quite a few, but not all, references to verify chart positions and all corresponded correctly. I have no problem with the musicbrainz and discog ELs in a discography list. As with Colin, it's nice to see a discog of this standard for an artist with 20+ years of records behind them, rather than a five-year old boy band with 3 albums and a handful of singles. Well done, Matthewedwards :  Chat  01:30, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 19:30, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Fundamental question - do we have other discogs from other solo artists where we don't include their collaborations? Just a question... In fact, the opening sentence appears (to me) to be slightly self-contradictory : "The discography of solo releases of..." vs "a number of other appearances with other artists."
yea i see your point. removed solo. Mister sparky (talk) 16:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Platinum in the lead tends to be non-capitalised while it's always capitalised in the tables. Consistency?
sorted. Mister sparky (talk) 16:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "...with Queen and Lisa Stansfield and it debuted at number one in the UK and was certified gold..." and x 3 here, not great prose.
altered sentence. Mister sparky (talk) 16:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • It may be my ignorance but I've never seen a double A-side noted in lower case ("...double a-sides...") - but once more it could be just me...!
changed. Mister sparky (talk) 16:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "details to be confirmed" - you've capitalise the other notes, why not this one?
  • Promo - use full word please.
  • Link South Bank Show.
  • You link Wham! in the videos but not in the Singles. Any reason?
removed the link from the video albums. the band is linked at the top of the article. Mister sparky (talk) 16:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Several directors are redlinked, not itself a problem, but why is Vaughan & Anthea not linked at all?
  • Also, Waltz Away Dreaming is redlinked in the template but not the list. I'd be consistent and redlink both.
done. Mister sparky (talk) 16:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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