Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Dream Theater discography/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:The Rambling Man 16:20, 18 August 2008 [1].

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Dream Theater discography

I've been working on this on and off for a while. Any constructive critisism is wanted. Thanks, Burningclean _[speak] 00:34, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• DVDs → Videos
• "—" denotes albums/singles that were released but did not chart. → "—" denotes a release that did not chart.
• Remove the B-sides; discography not songography (on infobox)
• width="200" → width="+220" (I was under the impression that the scales are very kneading on the left-side).
  • Width above 200, between 220 and 250. (is your choice);
• Why are the countries are in the current order? (Peak chart positions);
• Music videos → It has no references?
• Videos → Perhaps you can combine Platinum in the same column, avoiding repeat the same word three times.
• Chaos in Motion 2007/2008 → If not yet been released, must be hidden;
• VHS → VHS (only on the 1st link);

Cannibaloki 01:06, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Just a few comments and suggestions:

• References need to be provided for all the directors in the music videos section
  • I have sources for all but one. I can't find a director or source for it.
• Don't force the bolded title in the lead section
• WP:ELNO #9 says to "avoid links to the results pages of search engines" such as the RIAA website and EveryHit.com. More specific sources should be used instead
  • That is as far as I can get. If I use the direct link, it leads to an error page.

OK. That's understandable. I see you have removed the UK chart positions, but I have used this website in the past. It contains charts up until 2006.

-- Underneath-it-All (talk) 03:08, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The article looks really good. I just have a few more minor concerns.

• Change vinyl to LP album
• Change "videos" section to "video albums"
• Specify which US chart in the "videos" section
• Add notes to references that link to a search engine such as the RIAA website. See the Garbage discography for what I mean. -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 21:12, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

comments

• New York, New York is a bit overkill. New York City alone will suffice
• "...recorded with Explorers Club..." perhaps say "...recorded with their side projects, Explorers Club..."
• "Majesty recorded a few demos" be more specific if possible
• "Dream Theater was signed to Mechanic Records and recorded its debut album, When Dream and Day Unite." provide a year, please
• "After a few promotional live shows, Dominici was asked to leave the band. After two years Dream Theater found a new permenant vocalist" -- "a few", again, be more specific, and try to recast one of the sentences as they both start with "After"
• "recieved substantial radio and television airplay." Where? The source doesn't verify "substantial" either
• "a short time into recording Awake" Sentences begin with capital letters :)
• "Derek Sherinian replaced Moore." Too stubby, especially as it is used to open a paragraph
• Change "LP" in the format to "vinyl" or something similar
• "US rock chart peak" --> "US rock chart peak position"
• Director is needed for "The Silent Man" music video please
  • I can't find one whatsoever.
• Not sure about the "Official bootlegs" entries. If they were released commercially, aren't they not bootlegs? Also, Majesty Demos doesn't suggest it's a bootleg.
  • Are you saying I should remove the section?
• Ref 19 need formatting correctly

Matthew Edwards (talk • contribs • email) 08:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
  • "Platypus, Transatlantic, True Symphonic Rockestra." - "Platypus, Transatlantic or True Symphonic Rockestra."
  • Ref [1] has 29 linked - what is that about?
  • 2nd para of lead is really clunky and choppy - needs to improve to meet Criterion 1.
  • " a few " doesn't sound particularly encyclopaedic.
  • "Dominici was asked to leave the band" why?
    • Is it important for the discog?
  • " A single from the album, "Pull Me Under", recieved substantial radio and television airplay.[2] Because of the single's success, Images and Words was certified gold by the Recording Industry Association of America with access sales of 500,000 copies" consider merging these - should gold link to certification levels? Recent discogs capitalise Gold. What's "access sales"?
  • "After a short tour, Dream Theater entered the studio again. a short time into recording Awake, Moore announced his departure from the band. Derek Sherinian replaced Moore." - poor clunky prose.
  • There needs to be more substantial reasoning (with references) for the repeated changes in personnel.
  • "over two million copies in " copies? what do you mean?
  • Unlink release dates.
    • Those are supposed to be linked if they are a full date.
  • Ref 9 mentions "Score - 20th Anniversary World Tour " - this isn't in your list.
  • Ref 7 isn't specific.
  • Ref 3 isn't specific.
    • I can't do anything about it. Please read the above discussion.
  • Where is the 8m album sales referenced? I can't find it in [4] or [5].
  • Ref 4 - "Marketingtomenconference.com (February 9 2007). " is an odd publisher - why the date there?
  • Refs 18 and 19 have odd formatting.
  • I've heard it said that mvdbase.com is not considered a WP:RS by DISCOGS.
  • What does Series mean under the bootleg section?
    • I still need to see if that section is staying.
  • Why is "The Majesty Demos 1985-1986 " called that? It links to "The Majesty Demos".
  • Director for "The Silent Man" is missing.
    • I can't find a director or source.
• The Rambling Man (talk) 09:00, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment I'm not sure if the rules have officially changed or something, but when i started doing discogrphies, I was told that there was absolutly no need to source the music video directors because they are sourced by themsleves. Guidelines say that the only things that need to be sourced is stuff that is debatable. What is so debatable about the director of a video when their name is displayed when the video is played most of the time? If somebody asked for a source, Mvdbase was accepted as reliable. Why such a change? Burningclean _[speak] 20:53, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The director's name is added by the networks, and is not a "real" part of the video, therefore they are not self-referential. Additionally, networks in many European countries do not put director information. It seems mainly to be added in the United States. Matthew Edwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:39, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• According to User:Drewcifer, mvdbase.com is not considered to be a reliable source. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Discographies/style#MVDBase
• You could wikilink the music video directors' names. David Roth and Roger Sanchez articles exist, but I'm not sure about the others.
• I won't oppose because there is one missing music vid director, but it would be nice if it could be found.

-- Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:09, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

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