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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 16:10, 17 September 2011 [1].

2002 Asian Games medal table edit

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Nominator(s): — Bill william comptonTalk 14:42, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because this is a fifth in the series of Asian Games medal tables. Thanks to KV5, it also implements all web accessibility requirements. As always, thanks for your time and feedback. — Bill william comptonTalk 14:42, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 13:06, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Quick oppose - I don't have the time right now to list in detail the issues, and will do so as soon as I get the time to, but I'm opposing on prose. As seems to be usual each time one of these Asian medal lists come up, there's tons of grammar and sentence structure issues lying around. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 14:50, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not eloquent in English so many times do mistakes like this, give me some time for copy editing. Other than that, did you find any other major issue? — Bill william comptonTalk 15:09, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    With all due respect, the "time for copy editing" is before you come to FLC. As I said, I'll list in more detail my objections when I get around to doing so and when time allows. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 15:11, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Done – ce is finished, you may take a look there. I'll never repeat this mistake in future. — Bill william comptonTalk 20:00, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comments— Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 10:21, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • A total of 6,572 athletes—4,605 males and 1,967 females "Men" and "women" sound better.
      Done
    • all 44 member-nations Remove the hyphen.
      Done
    • East Timor, newest member of the OCA—becoming independent on May 20, 2002 from Indonesia—made its debut Too much going on in this bit.
      Then please specifically mention.
      Quite simply, there is too much information there you are trying to cram in. I don't think you need to note that it became independent, merely mentioning it was the newest OCA member is quite enough. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 07:59, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done
    • North Korea competed for the first time in an international sporting event hosted by South Korea (both nations marched together at the opening ceremony with a Korean Unification Flag depicting the Korean Peninsula as United Korea). The bit in parenthesis is unrelated to the number of OCA member nations competing. Split it out into its own sentence.
      Done
    • improved their position in the general medal table compared with the 1998 Asian Games Compared to?
      Done
    • Note (a) needs a rewrite. I have no idea what it's supposed to mean.
      Done, if still need rewrite then I may remove it at all, because sentence is itself obvious.
      I agree that the note should be removed. If only eight nations improved, clearly the rest did not. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 07:59, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done
    • China led the medal table Is "China topped the medal table" better here?
      Done
      , with most gold medals How about, "with 150 gold medals"? Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 07:59, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done
    • Athletes from China won the most ... Redundant: we already know China topped the medal table from the previous sentence. Perhaps combine this sentence with the previous one.
      Done
    • Competitors from the host nation, South Korea Redundant: you've already mentioned that South Korea hosted the games.
      Done
    • South Korea won 96 gold medals, 80 silver medals and a total of 260 medals, finished second on the medal table. How about "South Korea also won .... for a total of 260 medals, finishing second..."?
      Done
    • In men's artistic gymnastics, a three-way tie for gold medal Either "for gold" or "for the gold medal", but not "for gold medal".
      Done
    • ; a tie for silver medal in the individual all-around Missing "and".
      Done
    • In women's artistic gymnastics, ties for gold medal Per above.
      Done
    • China and Taiwan shared the silver. The issue here should be obvious.
      Done
    • Liu Xiang from China won a gold medal in the 110 meters hurdles. 110–meter hurdles.
      Done
      Misplaced endash. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 07:59, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done Oops!
    • Japanese athlete Koji Murofushi won a gold medal in the hammer-throw event. Extraneous hyphen.
      Done
    • This is the dealbreaker for me right now: close paraphrasing in the first paragraph relating to medal changes. Compare:
      • Article: Lebanese bodybuilder Youssef El-Zein was stripped of his bronze medal after he refused to undergo a drug test.
      • Source: A Lebanese bodybuilder has been stripped of his Asian Games bronze medal after refusing to take a dope test
      • As far as I'm concerned, there are other ways to express that sentence without close paraphrasing. I suspect close paraphrasing may have occurred in the subsequent paragraphs about the Indian runner as well, although there the similarities (while they exist) are less damning for me to present as evidence of copyvio.
        Don't make this type of allegations. There is no "close paraphrasing", this is my writing style, check other related articles written by me. But if it seems paraphrasing to you then I just can say that it wasn't intended. For your satisfaction I've tried to rephrase the sentence.
        I'd prefer no similarity to the original at all. How about "For not submitting to a drugs test, bodybuilding bronze medalist Youssef El-Zein of Lebanon was relieved of his medal." Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 07:59, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done
    • the bronze medal in the +91 kg category went to Choi Jae-Duck +90 kg or +91 kg?
      Done
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:06, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Add "the" in "with most gold medals (150)."
Done – changed to "with 150 gold medals", is it okay?
  • Medal table: "and" is needed before wushu.
Done
  • In the Liu Xiang caption, the en dash isn't needed in "110 meter–hurdles".
StrPby has different opinion.
  • Changes in medal standings: "Action against Youssef was taken after his refusal for drug test." A little awkward at the end. I'd rather see the simpler "after he refused a drug test."
Changed as per the suggestion of StrPby.
  • Note a: "Except these eight NOCs none other improved its position of previous Asian Games medal table." Needs some good copy-editing all around.
Removed as sentence is itself axiomatic.
  • In ref 19, Athletics Weekly should be italicized since it's a printed publication. Also, it would be good to have a period after gbrathletics.com, separating it from Athletics Weekly.
Done
Done
  • In the Leander Paes photo caption, it would be nice if it said what sport he played.
Done – I thought it would be obvious from the image only.
Instead of "events of the tennis" at the end, I'd back a change to the more grammatical "tennis events". Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:06, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done
  • I'm assuming that Sunita's medals were restored to her after her name was cleared? Article isn't clear on that point.
Done
It now reads "Sunita was reinstated of both her medals", which is awkward to read. Maybe try "Both of Sunita's medals were reinstated"? Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:06, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done
  • Provisional support – All my comments have been taken care of and the list looks good. The only thing I'd like to see is another close paraphrasing check from someone, since an issue has already been found. You can never be too careful when it comes to things like that. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:04, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Giants2008, if you still have some doubts then please don't support, because I know what I've written, and I have nothing to hide. The phrase which was questioned by StrPby, by chance matched with my writing style, and I've already given my reason for that. — Bill william comptonTalk 00:54, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 14:24, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • " celebrated in " nah, it was held in, not celebrated, that's too much POV.
Done, but is it really seem POV?, because "celebrated" is a common term for specifying Multi-sport event/Sports festival.
  • No need to link Asia.
Done
  • " slightly more" higher.
Done
  • "an entity represented by a National Olympic Committee" -> "by a NOC" (you've already abbreviated it).
Done

Oops, dinner's ready, more to come! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:21, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "3000 m " 3,000m
Not per WP:MOSUNIT
I meant the comma, not the spacing... The Rambling Man (talk) 11:40, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't notice the comma. Feeling stupid now.
  • "Those two were to have played to decide" why not just "Those two played to decide.."?
Done
TRM, the point is the two teams didn't play, because of the weather. So "were to have played" seems to be correct, to me. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 03:40, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I too had the same doubt, but thought TRM knows better. — Bill william comptonTalk 10:13, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, restore to previous version then. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:40, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done
  • "who finished fourth" who had finished fourth?
Done
  • "On October 13, 2002 " perhaps say, Six days later or something to make it more interesting.
Done
  • No point in abbreviating BAGOC if you don't use it.
Done
  • No need to link Indonesia or Bangkok in my opinion.
Done
  • Or Seoul.
Done
  • International Association of Athletic Federations -> International Association of Athletics Federations
Done

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:20, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 21:40, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment
  • Just the one comment, according to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking countries should not be linked, so I would either remove them or link to the the 2002 Asian games page for that country. NapHit (talk) 21:21, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done


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