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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 17:36, 19 February 2012 [1].

2000 Summer Paralympics medal table edit

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Nominator(s): 99of9 (talk) 01:07, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I think it meets the criteria. We have an existing FL which is directly comparable 1968 Summer Paralympics medal table, and I have sought to build on its strengths. 99of9 (talk) 01:07, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 15:39, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Table fails WP:ACCESS, see MOS:DTT for info on how to rectify this. In short you need to add row and colscopes to the table.
  • Done rowscopes. Colscopes are already in the top row template. --99of9 (talk) 00:14, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • You need to add a symbol when highlighting items by colour per WP:ACCESS, plus I would only highlight the country cell instead of the whole row
  • "This event was the eleventh Summer Paralympic Games, quadrennial international competitions..." I'm not sure the last three words are necessary makes the sentence very hard to read, I would remove them
  • I've removed the word "international" since it's obvious from the previous sentence. Personally I think quadrennial adds significant value here, even though it's a long/rare word. --99of9 (talk) 02:16, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "These games"
  • "With 3,843 athletes taking part in the 18 sports on the programme,[1] the Games were the second largest sporting event ever held in Australia,[3] and utilized the same facilities as the largest, the 2000 Summer Olympics, which had concluded on 1 October." This is a very long sentence I would look into splitting in two sentences
  • "A record of 122 countries (or 123 delegations including independent athletes from Timor-Leste), participated at these Games..." at these games is redundant, already clarified we are talking about the event
  • You use countries and delegations in close succession to refer to what appears to me to be the same entity, I think one should be used throughout.
  • Done? I've removed the second instance of the word delegations. It is now only used once in parentheses to clarify the difference in count of 122 countries, 123 delegation, to aid researchers fact-checking sources that differ. --99of9 (talk) 01:00, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "A total of 1657 medals" comma in between the 1 and 6

NapHit (talk) 23:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your review, those were useful improvements. --99of9 (talk) 02:16, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Looking good just a few more comments

  • "The location and facilities were shared with the largest event, the 2000 Summer Olympics, which had concluded on 1 October."
  • "A record of 122 countries (or 123 delegations including independent athletes from Timor-Leste), participated,[4] and 68 won medals, seven for the first time." would change to something like "A record 122 countries (123 including a delegation of independent athletes from Timor-leste) participated; 68 countries won medals, of those countries, seven won a medal for the first time."
  • Done. Ok, I've put your wording in. The last half feels a bit verbose, but I didn't find an easy way to trim it. --99of9 (talk) 02:56, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The medals themselves were designed by the royal goldsmith and jeweller Stuart Devlin, and feature the Sydney Harbour Bridge" themselves is redundant and feature should be featured as the sentence starts off in past tense.
  • Done... slightly differently. The medals still exist and have the same design, so I kept it in the present tense but split it from the past tense sentence. --99of9 (talk) 02:51, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NapHit (talk) 15:39, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support NapHit (talk) 20:27, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • "This event was the eleventh Summer Paralympic Games, quadrennial competitions...". Should the last part be "a quadrennial competition" instead?
  • To me there are many levels of potential plurality here (divided by year, sports) - note "Games". But I agree it could be considered singular, and don't have a strong view either way. So if you think it is better singular... Done. --99of9 (talk) 04:50, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wish the "Amongst" starting a sentence could be replaced with "Among" (one of my pet writing peeves).
  • "surrounded by the games arenas." "games" → "Games'"?

Giants2008 (Talk) 02:14, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:33, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • You link medal the second time...
  • " This event was the" I don't see a real need for "event" here.
  • Shouldn't you link "Individual Paralympic Athletes " rather than say "independent" athletes?
  • I think "independent" means they'd declared their independence from Indonesia, but it hadn't been recognized as a country. But I'll check this in a couple of days. --99of9 (talk) 12:31, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've checked this, the phrasing is correct IMO. There were multiple athletes from East Timor, competing as a team. --99of9 (talk) 03:07, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Interesting. That article is not sufficiently sourced to prove their case on the term (since both would have the acronym IPA). My strongest source is this. I'd say it's pretty compelling, but it's possible that both terms were used. I'd still prefer to stick to the one I know to have been officially used over one from an unsourced wiki article. --99of9 (talk) 12:05, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "countries won medals, of those countries, seven won a " -> "countries won medals, of which seven won a "
  • Done, thanks, this removes the verbosity I was concerned about in the first reviewers comments. --99of9 (talk) 12:31, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is that the total list of multiple-medalists?
  • No, these were the ones noted by the press. I particularly tracked down press mentions of the top medal winners. A complete list of multi-medallists would be long. --99of9 (talk) 12:31, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • If a nation is tied on silvers, when sorting by silver, what determines the order of those tied?
  • I'm not sure. This is specified in a protected template. I will look into it in a couple of days. --99of9 (talk) 12:31, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Same for total number. If a nation is tied with another on total medals, surely they should then rank by golds then silvers, then bronzes?

The Rambling Man (talk) 15:56, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Agreed. That sounds like the equivalent of always using "Rank" as the secondary sort key. --99of9 (talk) 12:31, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]



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