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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was delisted by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 3:50, 10 June 2023 (UTC) [1].

Yellowstone National Park edit

Notified: MONGO, Mav, Mike Cline, Brian W. Schaller, Civil Engineer III, WP Protected areas, WP Montana, WP Volcanoes, WP Geology, WP World Heritage Sites, WP USA, WP National Archives, noticed in March 2021

Review section edit

Unfortunately, this very early FA needs some love and care. It looks like content throughout the article will need to be updated. While the article currently states "There are almost 60 species of mammals in the park,", the NPS park facts under wildlife lists today lists 67 species of mammals, and there are similar disagreements, such as 8 vs 9 species of conifers. Many of the animal population figures will also need updating. Extensive editing by editors unfamiliar with the featured article criteria seems to have damaged the article, as uncited text has accumulated and in several places where checked, the sources listed do not support all of the text they are backing up. Note: The #2 editor per Articlestats has not been informed, as their primary contribution is simply a giant bot run for referencing formatting and they do not normally edit in this topic area. Hog Farm Talk 05:16, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Although I am very willing to work on aspects of the YNP FA review, some care must be taken when citing apparent “disagreements” in the article. For example the the 60 vs 67 species of mammal disconnect is cited by Hog Farm is not entirely accurate. The NPS Park Facts does not actually list the 67 species, it merely says there are 67 and only identifies 40 in the list. Indeed the phrasing can be improved, but the FACTs will be tougher to sort out as some mammal species are migratory (bats) and may only be transitory in the park. Just some thoughts to ponder. Mike Cline (talk) 13:31, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • True, but we'll still need to have a source supporting the numbers we choose. The spot with mammals I pointed out is sourced to the NPS park facts page, which now has a different number than the one in the article. Hog Farm Talk 14:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mike Cline are you still intending to work on this? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:45, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Cline last edited the article on February 17. Looking at this version:

  • Maintenance tags
  • Uncited, tour-guide-ish content (eg "Facilities in the Old Faithful, Canyon and Mammoth Hot Springs areas of the park are very busy during the summer months. Traffic jams created by road construction or by people observing wildlife can result in long delays.")
  • MOS:SANDWICHing of images
  • Femke any sources dealing with climate change ?
  • Collapsed tables within text (MOS:COLLAPSE)
  • Inconsistent and incomplete citations, not at a professional standard (sources alternate between nps.gov, National Park Service, and both); missing publishers (eg, this is UNESCO); inconsistent author name style (some are last name first, others are first name first); incomplete citations (eg [https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=691642 maybe this is intended, if so, cite journal ... also Walker, Paul K. (March 2022). "Number 3-Engineer Historical Studies-Captain William Ludlow's Report of Reconnaissance from Carrol Montana Territory on Upper Missouri to the Yellowstone National Park and Return in the Summer of 1875" (PDF). publications.usace.army.mil.)
  • Can External links benefit from pruning?
  • Extensive use of very dated sources, and clicking on any one of them randomly reveals problems. Sample
    Boating is prohibited on rivers and creeks except for a 5 miles (8.0 km) stretch of the Lewis River between Lewis and Shoshone lakes, and it is open to non-motorized use only. Yellowstone Lake has a marina at Bridge Bay while there is a boat ramp at the Lewis lake campground.
    "Boating in Yellowstone National Park". National Park Service. September 18, 2006. Archived from the original on November 9, 2013. Retrieved March 21, 2007.
  • Here is the oft-cited park facts page:
    • We say 3468 square miles, they say 3472.
    • We say 1000 archeological sites, they say 1800.
    • We say five National Historic Landmarks, they say 25 National Register of Historic Places
    • We say eight species of conifer, they say nine.
    • We say nine visitor centers, they say eleven.
      And so it goes for any source one checks; there has been no attempt to keep this article updated. I haven't even checked whether we need any PD attribution.

Move to FARC, it has been months, the issues have not been addressed, and no one is actively working on the article. This is the cumulative diff since Mike Cline's last edit over two months ago. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 07:12, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Move to FARC as well. The "almost 60" issue I brought up when bringing the article to FAR is still present in the article with the same 2015-accessed source. While Mike Cline points out that there are sometimes reasons to disagree with the NPS given numbers, we still need to have sources that actually support the article content. Hog Farm Talk 13:37, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

FARC section edit

Issues raised in the review section include currency and sourcing. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:36, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist - this has been stalled out for three months, and as Sandy and I noted above, large chunks of the article will need to be updated with new sources. Hog Farm Talk 15:40, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist, needed updates, raised more than two years ago, have not happened. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:19, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist. Tagged for unsourced statements and needing update for over two years. DrKay (talk) 08:21, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist. No meaningful progress on the issues since SG's April 26 update (cumulative diff). Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:08, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Closing note: This removal candidate has been delisted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please leave the {{featured article review}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:50, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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