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The article was delisted by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 5:47, 28 January 2023 (UTC) [1].

Iridium edit

Notified: FAC nominator indeffed years ago and not notified, Itub, Stone, Cryptic C62, Materialscientist, Wbuchma, Mav, WP Elements, WP Geology, WP Rocks and minerals, noticed August 5

Review section edit

Back on August 5, I noted issues on talk with datedness, lead issues, failed verification, and poor sourcing. While this resulted in the article being pulled from the TFA schedule, the issues have not been addressed. Hog Farm Talk 15:10, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments from Graeme Bartlett: Some things are missing
  • We need an update as to prices and production or use figures to the present date. updated table still missing.--Stone (talk) 15:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also has there been any new isotopes discovered in the last 20 years?
  • The list in isotopes of iridiu is based on NUBASE2003 the update to NUBASE 2020 doi:10.1088/1674-1137 gives several new from 163Iridium upto 205Iridium doi:10.1016/j.nds.2020.05.001--Stone (talk) 21:46, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The doi:10.1088/1674-1137 does not seem to work. Horsesizedduck (talk) 16:59, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The metal working section just seems historical. How do people work it nowadays? What do jewelers do? How are crucibles made?
  • This is the historic section, so the new stuff is in the applications section.--Stone (talk) 08:08, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • How is 192Ir produced? [2] [3] [4] --Stone (talk) 15:26, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • How much iridium is in igneous rocks, including the enriched ones? How much concentration in the mantle? And re there any guess as to its concentration in the core?
  • Has iridium been detected in any stars? How is it made? (is it binary neutron star mergers?)
  • updated link to new website style--Stone (talk) 09:38, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • much of the property information in the infobox is unreferenced. Or even if it is by clicking through, is hard to locate references.
  • A photo of an iridium compound would be good.
  • In the text it mentions "volatile new oxide" but it appears that this is the osmium oxide. So might be best to explain that.
  • Occurrence in the crust graph does not match text. It looks as if iridium is the rarest, not the same as tellurium. (though graph is by number of atoms).
  • This is because of the mentioned atoms versus weight issue.
  • Density - there is a claim around that iridium density is higher than osmium under pressure. Probably this should be mentioned.
  • "Densities of Osmium and Iridium". Technology.matthey.com. is incompletely referenced - appears to be a journal article - easy to fix. changed to journal reference --Stone (talk) 08:17, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kittel, C. (2004). Introduction to Solid State Physics (7th ed.). Wiley-India. ISBN 978-81-265-1045-0. needs a page number rather than a whole book
  • Emsley, John (2011). Nature's Building Blocks: An A–Z Guide to the Elements (New ed.). New York: Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-960563-7. also has an old edition listed. But this new edition has no page numbers
  • Chemistry : foundations and applications -- link appears to go to a page that does not support the fact. Perhaps it is vol1 instead of vol2.
  • Holleman, A. F.; Wiberg, E.; Wiberg, N. (2001). Inorganic Chemistry (1st ed.). Academic Press. ISBN 978-0-12-352651-9. OCLC 47901436. → missing page number
  • Relación histórica del viage a la América Meridional → volume 1 does not appear to have 606 pages (only 404). Copies are online so it would be good to link to a page image for this ref. http://alfama.sim.ucm.es/dioscorides/consulta_libro.asp?ref=b19196386&idioma=0
  • A system of chemistry of inorganic bodies page 693 does not mention "ptene" - perhaps page is wrong. Or perhaps volume is wrong, the link is for volume 2 but reference does not state the volume. https://archive.org/details/asystemchemistr07thomgoog/page/692/mode/2up Yes this mentioned in the first volume, changed the link and added volume = 1 .--Stone (talk) 11:02, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The discovery of the elements by Mary Elvira Weeks 1968 → archive.org has taken this down
  • We should change to the articles published in Chemical education which make up the book. --Stone (talk) 17:23, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Trigg, G. L. (1995). Landmark Experiments in Twentieth Century Physics. → this is on Google books preview, and the chapter is "Recoilless Emission and Absorption of Radiation" [5]
  • "Cuproiridsite" reference has a PDF date 17 October 2005. And author=Mineral Data Publishing
  • Vitaly A. Stepanov; Valentina E. Kungurova; Vitaly I. Gvozdev (2010). "IRARSITE DISCOVERY IN COPPER-NICKEL ORES OF SHANUCH DEPOSIT (KAMCHATKA)" should probably be in title case. changed from LOUD to normal title --Stone (talk)
  • Iridium and Osmium as Tracers of Extraterrestrial Matter in Marine Sediments might need to make this clearer that its in a book edited by Peucker-Ehrenbrink, B., Schmitz, B. published by Springer
  • Platinum-Group Metals. U.S. Geological Survey Mineral Commodity Summaries now redirects to "Platinum-Group Metals Statistics and Information" at https://www.usgs.gov/centers/national-minerals-information-center/platinum-group-metals-statistics-and-information by Ruth F. Schulte new link --Stone (talk) 08:08, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Singerling, Sheryl A.; Schulte, Ruth F. (August 2021). "Platinum-Group Metals". 2018 Minerals Yearbook (PDF). USGS. p. 57.11. link is now dead. (All access to this object has been disabled)--Stone (talk) 08:08, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • . "Platinum Metals: A Survey of Productive Resources to industrial Uses" link no longer works--Stone (talk) 08:08, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Jollie, D. (2008). "Platinum 2008" (PDF). Platinum. Johnson Matthey. ISSN 0268-7305. Retrieved 2008-10-13. → the link appears to be for something different. corrected and added doi issue volume and correct link --Stone (talk) 12:11, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Emsley, J. (2005-01-18). "Iridium" (PDF). Visual Elements Periodic Table. Royal Society of Chemistry → now redirects to a periodic table, so perhaps something else needs to be referenced like https://www.rsc.org/periodic-table/element/77/iridium changed to the hunt reference which says the same like the website.--Stone (talk) 14:29, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • link for Handley, J. R. (1986). "Increasing Applications for Iridium" (PDF). Platinum Metals Review. 30 (1): 12–13. → no longer works--Stone (talk) 09:41, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stallforth, H.; Revell, P. A. (2000). Euromat 99. Wiley-VCH. ISBN 978-3-527-30124-9. → link does not work for Google books, and there is no page number for referencing spark plug use.
  • Exchanged for a journal which gives the fact that iridium is used for sparc plugs.--Stone (talk) 22:13, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • US 3293031A, Cresswell, Peter & Rhys, David, published 20/12/1966 should make this clear it's a patent.
  • Darling, A. S. (1960). "Iridium Platinum Alloys" (PDF). Platinum Metals Review. 4 (l): 18–26 → link does not work, but bibcode is OK. Should add doi 10.1038/186211a0 → it appears this is really published in Nature. Nature volume 186, page 211 (1960) The Nature is only a review of the published article--Stone (talk) 09:56, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Penzes, W. B. (2001). "Time Line for the Definition of the Meter". National Institute for Standards and Technology → link is dead--Stone (talk) 09:32, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Fluidigm Cell-ID™ Intercalator-Ir". → should have a bit more reference info - it is a company page about product.
  • Mottishaw, J. (1999). "Notes from the Nib Works—Where's the Iridium?". The PENnant. XIII (2). → link goes to a blog index page, but the story is not there, so need to locate a better link changed link to the real blog--Stone (talk) 13:51, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Paris Exhibition". The Chemical News and Journal of Physical Science. XV: 182. → should be able to have a link, perhaps: https://archive.org/details/chemicalnewsand08croogoog/page/n195/mode/2up

Why not use https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=File:The_chemical_news._Volume_15,_January_-_June_1867._(IA_s713id13683370).pdf&page=188 ? --Stone (talk) 11:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:22, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not many options of photos for this element's compounds. If a user could upload a new photo, that would be great, but in the meantime I chose File:Sodium hexachloroiridate(III) hydrate.jpg with alt text Inorganic pale brown powder and a crossref to a foreign-language article on the compound shown. Other options were File:Ir2Cl2(cod)2.jpg, File:Vaska's-complex-sample.jpg, and two blurry crystal samples of lithium iridate. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:34, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The history section quotes a book by Antonio de Ulloa in 1748 as the first mentioning of platinum alloys. This is wrong and not stated in this way in the platinum article. This section should be copied from the more recent FA articles. --Stone (talk) 12:26, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FARC section edit

Issues raised in the review section include currency and sourcing. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:19, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Stone: - I see you've been improving the reference formatting. Do you think you'll also be able to work on the failed verification/datedness/etc? Hog Farm Talk 15:40, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist, issues remain and the image layout and sandwiching problems are another indication of subpar article. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:37, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist - improvements so far have only scratched the surface issues. Hog Farm Talk 20:03, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hold, given the ongoing work. Stone please keep us periodically updated on progress. Hog Farm Talk 15:18, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist--Guerillero Parlez Moi 20:58, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist Citation concerns remain, and I am concerned about the structure of the "Industrial and medical" section. Z1720 (talk) 16:49, 14 October 2022 (UTC) Striking for now, as I see @Stone: is addressing concerns per below. Hopefully they will give a comment about their progress and expected timeline. Z1720 (talk) 22:24, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Stone is gradually addressing all the concerns that I raised. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:19, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait as per Grame Bartlett. 141Pr 08:41, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could we get an update on status here? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:01, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Still a few things to do but mostly small things, but a few I can not do. --Stone (talk) 14:41, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stone's last edit on Wikipedia was Nov. 14, and Smokefoot made some large edits last week. Is this article ready for more reviews, or are more edits needed? Z1720 (talk) 15:16, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Reaffirming my delist from October. There are incomplete citations, an image layout mess, and update needs throughout. As but one sample, this text cited to a 1999 source: "The tip material in modern fountain pens is still conventionally called "iridium", although there is seldom any iridium in it; other metals such as ruthenium, osmium, and tungsten have taken its place.[97]". SandyGeorgia (Talk) 12:17, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Back to delist - has been stalled out for some time, and there's still material that needs checked for updates/newer sources, such as "At least 32 metastable isomers have been characterized," to a source from 2003; copyedit/prose work needs such as "Iridium in its complexes is always low-spin)." [unclear if the closing parenthesis is on purpose or an accident]; and citation problems such as citing an entire book. This still needs work, which hasn't been happening at an appreciable rate since early December. Hog Farm Talk 21:35, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

update section

  • Concentration in igneous rocks, including the enriched and in the mantle.?
  • Popular culture section. (do we really need it?)
  • Improve infobox references.
  • In the text it mentions "volatile new oxide" but it appears that this is the osmium oxide. So might be best to explain that.
  • Kittel, C. (2004). needs a page number rather than a whole book
  • Emsley, John (2011). Nature's Building Blocksalso has an old edition listed. But this new edition has no page numbers
  • Chemistry : foundations and applications -- link appears to go to a page that does not support the fact. Perhaps it is vol1 instead of vol2.
  • Holleman, A. F.; Wiberg, E.; Wiberg, N. (2001). Inorganic Chemistry missing page number
  • Relación histórica del viage a la América Meridional → volume 1 does not appear to have 606 pages (only 404). Copies are online so it would be good to link to a page image for this ref. http://alfama.sim.ucm.es/dioscorides/consulta_libro.asp?ref=b19196386&idioma=0
  • Trigg, G. L. (1995). Landmark Experiments in Twentieth Century Physics. → this is on Google books preview, and the chapter is "Recoilless Emission and Absorption of Radiation" [6]
  • "Cuproiridsite" reference has a PDF date 17 October 2005. And author=Mineral Data Publishing
  • Direct link to page for " The Playbook of Metals" → https://archive.org/details/playbookmetalsi00peppgoog/page/454/mode/2up
  • ALT text checking: mostly good except for File:Gama Supreme Flat Top ebonite eyedropper fountain pen 3.JPG and File:Elemental abundances.svg have nothing.
  • post-2016 consumption figures
  • Reference for "The only reported injuries related to iridium concern accidental exposure to radiation from 192 Ir"
  • radioisotope iridium-192 is one of the two most important sources for radiation.

-Stone (talk) 14 November 2022

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