Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Timor Leste Defence Force
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was promoted 00:47, 26 March 2008.
Self-nomination. This article has been peer reviewed and assessed as being A-class by the Military History Wikiproject and I believe that it is now FA class as it provides a comprehensive overview of East Timor's troubled military which draws on all the key English-language references on this topic. The East Timorese military seem to think so as well, as an earlier version of the history section is being used on the military's own website! The article has been copy-edited for compliance with the MOS and all images used are either free or have a fair use rationale. Please note that the article was recently renamed from Military of East Timor following a discussion on the talk page and consultation on the main East Timor page and wikiproject, and 'Timor Leste' is used in the title as this is the more common name for the military. Nick Dowling (talk) 07:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support (as one of the A-class reviewers). --ROGER DAVIES talk 08:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments
For the MacDonald, Hamish (You've got the author reversed in the citation) "East Timor's..." reference, you should probably not link the title direct, but say that there is an online version hosted by someone else on the web since the link isn't the Sydney Morning Herald's site itself but some other site.- Done
The "UN commission of inquiry ..." citation should have UN as the publisher, not Press Release.- Done
http://www.marinha.pt/Marinha/PT/Menu/Imprensa/Comunicados/Comunicados_Imprensa_2002/Levantamento_componente_naval_Timor_Leste.htm needs publisher information and a note saying it's in Portugese.- Done
The "About Operation Astute" reference needs a publisher.- Done as this was an Australian Department of Defence press release I've listed the Department as the publisher rather than the author.
There were two dead links that showed up with the link checking tool: http://www.unmiset.org/unmisetwebsite.nsf/f042de6a6630334a4925723c003b1a25/$FILE/Report%20on%20human%20rights%20developments%20in%20Timor-Leste.pdf and http://www.dcaf.ch/errorpage.cfm?page=/publications/Working_Papers/index.cfm- I was able to update the link to the UN report, but unfortunetly the second paper (which is one of the article's main sources and a very frequently cited work on the F-FDTL in all the other sources) seems to be no longer available online and I've removed the link.
- It's probably better descibed as an unreliable link - the East Timor military's website only seems to be active during business hours in Dili, at best. As it works some of the time and is a useful reference, I'm reluctant to remove the links to it outright.
- I think that ETAN qualifies as a reliable source. While it's an activist group, it has a long history of hosting the whole text of documents, including sections of documents and news stories which disagree with ETAN positions. As such, I think that this is OK given that it's not going to be possible to find a better link.
- Everything else source and linkwise looks good. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:08, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for your comments. --Nick Dowling (talk) 10:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Meets all criteria. Buckshot06 (talk) 08:13, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Licensing for Image:F-FDTL.png is incorrect. User:Boffin may have “cropped” this image from Image:East timor coa.png, but so doing is only the creation of a derivative work and does not give Boffin authorship, authority or right to release the image into the public domain. Image is expected to be the property of the government of East Timor, whose laws may or may not release government works to PD. Please determine the correct copyright status; again, current assertion that Boffin (whose talk page indicates numerous problems with uploaded images) has ability to release the image is false.ЭLСОВВОLД talk 15:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Response I'm not sure what I need to do here. The image was uploaded a while ago by someone else and is hosted on another (related) website and I don't know what the image's status is under East Timor's copyright law (if East Timor has such a law yet). --Nick Dowling (talk) 05:43, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- East Timor's government website is terrible (broken links, etc.), so I haven't been able to find the statutes to determine whether it’s PD. There’s also a language issue; my Spanish is just fine, but I’m not sure whether it would be sufficient to make “legal” determinations from legislative Portuguese. In any case, iff you believe that the image significantly contributes to our understanding of the article (required by WP:NFCC#8) and you can support that belief with an adequately worded fair use rationale, I’d recommend uploading the image to Wikipedia with this license: {{Non-free symbol}} The Commons, obviously, cannot host fair use images. ЭLСОВВОLД talk 22:13, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done - I've uploaded the image onto Wikipedia and claimed fair use for this article, which I think is reasonable for military coats of arms as they are a key item of heraldry. See Image:F-FDTL fair use claimed.png --Nick Dowling (talk) 22:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support. No obvious flaws, meets all the featured article criteria. MrPrada (talk) 16:54, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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