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The article was promoted by GrahamColm 09:57, 20 May 2012 [1].

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Nominator(s): User:Magiciandude (talk) 00:59, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because I have worked on this article for over a year in hopes of getting the first Spanish-language article to be FA and had the article peer reviewed twice and assessed for FA. The album covers old songs from Latin America which was the reason why I picked this album. Erick (talk) 00:59, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright check I deleted File:5iv6-1-.png (the photo of Luis Miguel standing there), as it was uploaded in 2008 as an own work of the uploader, but it had been already uploaded to a forum in 2006. So, it was likely taken from somewhere else. I replaced the image with another one from commons, which is also here, but that news report is one year after the upload to commons, so it doesn't count. The album cover and the audio bit have acceptable non-free rationales. In short, there was a problem, but I already fixed it. I will check the rest of the article later. Cambalachero (talk) 19:23, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Have not read the entire article, but the critical reception looks very US-centric. - hahnchen 20:43, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • I had search the entire Internet and through books several times for additional reviews for the album in English and Spanish and these reviews were all I could find. Latin albums are not covered by many critics and it's even harder to find reviews for an album this old. Reviews for Latin albums are easier to find artists who are known in the anglophone market like Shakira rather than artist who are only known to the Hispanophone market like Luis Miguel. Erick (talk) 22:08, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Is there no Spanish language music press? It wasn't covered in the arts section of Spanish language newspapers? I don't know how Latin American music coverage, but this does not sound realistic. - hahnchen 00:45, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • Like I said, I had search the entire Internet both in English and Spanish for reviews and these were all I could find. Google News archive shows nothing except the announcement, plans to tour, and his Grammy Award, which is already covered in the article in both languages. I even checked again a while ago using custom ranges on dates on the year it released on Google search to ensure I missed anything and still came out with nothing except the tour and the Grammies. Erick (talk) 02:14, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done, I don't speak Spanish. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:27, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Make sure to always use endashes for ranges and for breaks in titles
  • FN 10, 12, 39: pages?
  • Check italicization and wikilinking for consistency. Don't italicize publishers
  • What makes this a high-quality reliable source?
  • FN 26, 29, 30: volume/issue?
  • Be consistent in whether you provide publishers for newspapers. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:27, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • 1) I have included the endashes as requested for most of the titles. I need to know if this includes the certification web sites since it is done by a template. 2) I found those sources at AccessMyLibrary but it is not there anymore. EDIT: I have readded the original urls to the urls for the time being. 3 & 6) I have fixed Allmusic for italicize consistency and have added publishers for every newspaper and italicized every self-published source. 4) I have searched Google to see if the site is referenced by other websites and have not found any so I removed it. 5) Done. Erick (talk) 16:23, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support on all aspects except on prose (not because I don't like it, but because I'm not a native English speaker and my own prose is bad, so I can't evaluate others). Just a minor thing, in "Recording and production" you should link all the artists who made the original songs, even if it gets a red link. They are all notable, and red links do not detract from featured article quality. Cambalachero (talk) 01:26, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support A stellar work done, mostly on references. Credits are very well ordened. Even when it does not totally complies with the album article style guide in some sections. The prose is consistent and every section is carefully explained in detail, without falling into any original research or bias, a great achievement considering that latin music information regarding 1990s is very difficult to find. Good job. --Hahc21 (talk) 19:16, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Erick (talk) 19:19, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support As someone who has reviewed the article before, I have no complaints. A great article! :) Basilisk4u (talk) 13:52, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delegate note -- Like to see a spotcheck of sources for accuracy and avoidance of close paraphrasing, as I assume Erick hasn't had one of those as yet; will list a request at WT:FAC. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:13, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Spotchecks

  • Article: Miguel collaborated with Silvetti for the arrangement of Romances, while Manzanero was in charge of direction.
  • Source: This time around, he hired Bebu Silvetti as musical director and arranger and Armando Manzanero as artistic director.
  • Article: He also expressed an interest in singing in Italian and Portuguese
  • Source: Link broken
  • Article: The two original compositions were "Por Debajo de la Mesa" ("Underneath the Table") by Manzanero and "Contigo (Estar Contigo)" ("To Be With You") by Bebu Silvetti and Sylvia Riera Ibañez.
  • Source: Those two musicians wrote two new songs to augment the 13 classic love ballads
  • Article: Armando Manzanero received a Broadcast Music Incorporated award for his work on "Por Debajo de la Mesa"
  • Source: BMI Latin Awards: 1999 Por Debajo De La Mesa, Armando Manzanero Canche (SACM),D’Nico International, Luis Miguel, Wea Latina
  • Article: A year after release it received a platinum certification in the United States by the RIAA
  • Source: MIGUEL, LUIS ROMANCES August 12, 1997 June 19, 1998 WEA LATINA Standard PLATINUM ALBUM
  • Article: The performances featured Miguel performing dance-pop and bolero arrangements for two-and-a-half hours
  • Source: The show was a marvelously designed and wonderfully executed blend of Latin music tradition--including segments devoted to boleros and mariachi--and contemporary sensibilities. The source does not seem to mention the length of the show.
  • Article: Miguel was the first Latin artist to be inducted to the Pollstar "Top 20 All-Time Grossing Tours" for most tickets sold for consecutive concerts at one venue in 1997.
  • Source: En 1997, Luis Miguel...En este mismo año empieza el Tour Romances la gira más extensa de su carrera, en la que de nuevo bate sus propios récords al presentarse más de 17 veces consecutivas en el Auditorio Nacional de la Ciudad de México. I can't see "Top 20 All-Time Grossing Tours" mentioned.
  • No issues, apart from the Top 20 All-Time Grossing Tours and the length of the show. I'm getting no results from the Access My Library links [2] Graham Colm (talk) 07:27, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The length of each tour is mentioned in the second page of the article see here. The Top 20 Allstar is mentioned at footnote 45 where I listed it right next to sentence supporting it. Source. As for the AccessMyLibrary, it seems the Gente newspapers have been removed from there the last time I visited it. I'll go look for a replacement if it's possible. Erick (talk) 08:10, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, I missed "Pollstar le admite como uno de los Top 20 All-Time Grossing (los 20 artistas que más localidades han vendido en un mismo recinto en la historia de la música)".Graham Colm (talk) 08:22, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have found the articles on the official site for the newspaper, but it seems to be accessible only for subscribers since I can't get the links to open. To search for the article titles, type in quotations "Luis Miguel" under (Agrega otra palabra clave para afinar tu búsqueda) and enter the date the articles were written where it says "entre el" and "y el" and the titles should appear. Erick (talk) 08:49, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes they do. Perhaps you should use this site with a (subscription required) tag? Graham Colm (talk) 09:02, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have replaced all instances of the AccessMyLibrary url with the main site search and tagged the subscription required in each of them. Erick (talk) 09:15, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]


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