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The article was not promoted by Karanacs 01:41, 13 October 2011 [1].

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Nominator(s): — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 18:08, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because... I worked really hard on it for a long period of time. First I promoted it to GA status in July 2011, and put on a peer review later. I really wasted my whole energy on it. However, many users helped me during its maintenance and editing. All of them can be see here on the peer review. I wish to credit them, but by there will I will left you see in the review. I know there will be a lot of opposes in the beginning, so I will be pleased if all the users who oppose the article leave their points and opinions here or eventually on my talk page. Thank You — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 18:08, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Copyscape review - No issues were revealed by Copyscape searches. Graham Colm (talk) 21:16, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Files
  • File:Rihanna Rehab.ogg.ogg needs a much improved rationale. How does it contribute significantly? What aspect discussed is it illustrating? These need to be explicitly explained in the rationale of use. As nice as a sound sample is, there has to be a reason why it is used. If my math is right then the length of the clip is acceptable (4:54 = 294 seconds, of which 10% is 29.4 seconds. The clip is 29 seconds long so it falls under that threshold).
  • File:Rihanna-brisbane.jpg is fine.
  • Ditto File:RihanHab.jpg.

This isn't a mandatory part of the FA criteria, but I highly, HIGHLY recommend you archive all active weblinks. It will mean a lot of tedious work, but if a website is remodelled links can be lost permanently, meaning that the information can no longer be verified. Sometimes articles are only available for a finite amount of time; then they're either taken down or hidden behind a subscription barrier, as happens with Hot Press and billboard.biz to name two examples. The latter can be satisfactorily saved with the use of {{Subscription}}, but if you don't have a text source to back it up (and since this is a recent subject you probably don't outside of the occassional newspaper article), the information can be lost forever. It's a tedious process, but entirely worthwhile. WebCite is excellent for this. All you need to do in the citations is add |archiveurl= |archivedate= to the templates if you use them. Melicans (talk, contributions) 22:30, 28 September 2011 (UTC) Speaking of which, checklinks shows a few possible problems with some of the URLs; might want to check them out to make sure they are still in service and, if not, to replace them. Melicans (talk, contributions) 22:33, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Doing. It will take some time, while I archive all the references. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 13:26, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done with archiving. And about the audio sample, If I don't find rationale caption, I will remove it. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 21:21, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:13, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Be consistent in whether publishers are placed in parentheses or not for magazines
  • Check for minor inconsistencies like doubled periods
  • FN 61: formatting
  • Check use of "The" - for example, the correct title is The New York Times, not New York Times
  • This link is broken, check for others
  • Check that your wikilinks go to the intended target, for example pitchfork
  • Be consistent in whether websites are cited using website names or URL names
  • FN 33: publisher?
  • Be consistent in what is and is not italicized
  • Be consistent in what is wikilinked when
  • I linked the references only one time and made some certain space when linking the same term in the article. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 21:23, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • FN 63: page(s)?

Also, while this was not the focus of my review, it would appear that the article would benefit from a thorough copy-editing. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:13, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose on prose issues.
  • As per the citation guidelines, and to avoid ambiguity, please spell out months of dates and format them properly as they appear in the article body (i.e. September 10, 2011 and not 2011-9-10).
  • Nikkimaria's comment does not relieve you of this problem. She said that for most dates, you can use the yyyy-mm-dd format, but for publication dates (all your newspaper sources), you need to write the dates out. Orane (talk) 22:04, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the introduction, when referring to lists and countable objects, "latter" is used when referring only to two things. So, "production was handled by Lane and Mosely" and not by the "latter two".
  • ""Rehab" is mid-paced song containing prominent R&B ballad characteristics." What exactly are "prominent R&B ballad characteristics"? I read the "Composition" section to see if I could find out, but it still remains unclear. And if there's "prominent" R&B ballad characteristics, does this means that there exists more "obscure" ones? Also, what does "engaging in a bitter sexual chemistry" mean?
  • "who was the special guest at some concerts on Justin Timberlake's FutureSex/LoveShow tour in 2007". Did you mean he appeared as the special guest at certain dates?
  • "This was the same technique he employed during the writing process of the album.[2]" whose album? His own, or Rihanna's?
  • "It was recorded in 2007 at Roc The Mic Studios in New York City itself with Demacio Castellon". In "New York City itself"?
  • "In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, regarding Rihanna's third studio album Good Girl Gone Bad, Timberlake concluded"--awkward.
  • If you're using words like "emotional" and "tension-filled", these are qualifiers, and need to be placed in quotation marks and sourced to show they are not original research or POV.
  • "After four days, on December 12, 2008, "Rehab" was digitally released alongside with its instrumental version". Awkward.
  • "The CD single was the same as the one released in the United Kingdom." Awkward.
  • Prefix Magazine is an online source, and should not be in italics. Ditto for Rap-Up.
  • None of us can gain access to the reviewer's feelings. So, we write "she observed", "she noted", "she stated", "she commented" and not "she felt" or "she thought".
  • In the critical reception section, why are some publications wikilinked, while others "Pop Matters", "Metro Weekly" are not?
  • "Sal Cinquemani of Slant Magazine thought that "the track is further evidence that [Timberlake] is better off penning lyrics about sexy backs or dicks in boxes" — talking about Timberlake's 2006 singles "Sexy Back" and "Dick in a Box"[33]". Awkward. Can you write "in reference to Timberlake's" or "alluding to Timberlake's", or something more compelling?
  • " He stated that nobody should even try to write a song called 'Rehab' so closely following Amy Winehouse's,[33] referring to the latter's 2006 single of the same name." What latter? Only one name was mentioned.
  • Did you mean "late singer's 2006 single"? Orane (talk) 22:04, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "She thus became the first artist to extract eight Hot 100 hits from a single album since..." "Extract"? She "extracted" the hits? Sounds fancy, but suggests that the songs were hot 100 hits before being pulled out of the album. I'm sure you can say this better.
  • Why are some chart tiers hyphenated ("top-thirty", "top-ten") while some aren't (you have "top five").
  • " It was directed by Anthony Mandler, who previously worked with Rihanna for her music videos.[50]". Either mention the others, or reconstruct sentence.
  • "It was reported by Digital Spy that Jessica Biel, Timberlake's girlfriend at the time, was "fuming" at Timberlake because of the sexual chemistry between he and Rihanna in the video.[52] " Please leave gossip and National Enquirer-type news out of the article. If you want to say it differently, you can state that critics commented on the sexual chemistry between the two singers, so something of the sort.
  • Rihanna is described as "scantily-dressed". That's a value-judgment. Is that your opinion?
  • "Tim Nixon of The Sun positively reviewed the video." --Split infinitive. Please review.
The infinitive is to review, the past tense of the verb is used here. Graham Colm (talk) 19:27, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Doesn't make a difference. Tim gave a positive review, or the video was reviewed positively.
Done/Re-Worded. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 19:06, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In his book Post Cinematic Affect (2010), Steven Shaviro concluded that the video of "Rehab", together with "Love Sex Magic" and "4 Minutes"—on which Timberlake is featured—"can be contrasted with Timberlake's own Future Sex/Love Sounds album"." On what grounds? And can we get a page-number for that book source?
  • No, not done. I asked on what grounds? You can't simply say that a critic noted the contrast between Timberlake's work and these videos without also explaining what these differences were. Orane (talk) 22:04, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Rehab" was added as the fourth track on Rihanna's set list for her Good Girl Gone Bad Tour (2007-09". "track" is for a CD etc. Did you mean the fourth song?
  • Your use of colons to introduce quotations is not completely correct. In other words, you use colons where commas would suffice. Please review. Orane (talk) 06:35, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Your use of colons is incorrect. You use it to introduce the quotations when you don't need to. You have, "Rihanna explained that she enjoyed working with Timberlake and learned a lot from their time in the studio, saying: 'Working with Justin in studio is just great'...". You should use a comma between "saying" and the quotation. This problem exists throughout the entire article. Orane (talk) 22:04, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with most of these points, except the first: WP:CITE and WP:MOSDATE allow YYYY-MM-DD format for retrieval dates, regardless of what is in the article. Publication dates, conversely, should follow the article format. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:41, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A colon is used to introduce a block quotation, or a lengthy quotation that is not set apart from the prose. --Efe (talk) 14:28, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My oppose vote remains. The prose is just not as compelling and as polished as it could be. Thank you so much for addressing some of my concerns, but the prose is still awkward in places. Example: "'Rehab' opens with a "tension-filled" string section,[14] played by Stevie Blacke,[3] as a contrasting violin, cello, and tambourine instrumental groove with Hannon Lane's keyboard melody.[9] " I just don't understand the sentence, and it stems from the ambiguous nature of the word "as", in the sentence. Is it used as a preposition or a conjunction? Also, "Rihanna's vocal range spans from the low note of F3 to B4.[10]". That's a verbose way of saying "Rihanna's vocal range spans the notes F3 to B4, or, better yet, "Rihanna's vocal range spans nearly an octave and a half, from F3 to B4." Also, "The development of "Rehab" began while Rihanna was accompanying Timbaland..." The development began? That does not make sense. "Both Timbaland and Timberlake worked on the song". Awkward. "In an interview with Entertainment Weekly about Rihanna's third studio album Good Girl Gone Bad, Timberlake concluded..." "Concluded"? Did he say this at the end of his interview?

There are a other prose issues throughout, and for that reason, I cannot support at the moment. Orane (talk) 03:49, 7 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Jenks24

Overall, I can see that a lot of work has been put into this article and I have given it the best copyedit I'm able to, but I don't think the prose is quite there yet. Some specific issues (but please note these comments come from someone with limited musical/Rihanna knowledge):

  • Production and recording
    • I'm not too happy with the first sentence, but can't think of anything better off the top of my head
    • "Both Timbaland and Timberlake worked on the song. They had worked together on two of Timberlake's previous albums, notably FutureSex/LoveSounds in 2006. Timbaland worked" – avoid repitition by finding a synonym for worked
    • "This was the same technique he employed during the writing process of Timberlake's album." – 1) I thought we were already talking about Timberlake? 2) Which Timberlake album?
  • Actually the first sentence was referring only to FutureSex/LoveSounds. And with the later one, I wanted to note that all the songs for the album were created as "Rehab" in the last moment or very fast. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 09:10, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ok, I've made a ce, so please check if it still makes sense. Jenks24 (talk) 10:38, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Rihanna recalled that Timberlake went into the studio booth and sang it." – erm, I thought that's how all songs were recorded? Is this really needed?
    • "It was recorded in 2007 at Roc The Mic Studios in New York City with Demacio Castellon." – what is it that Castellon actually did?
    • I changed ""Rehab" was one of three songs that were produced by Timbaland, and that made it onto the final track-listing of Good Girl Gone Bad." --> ""Rehab" was one of three songs produced by Timbaland that made it onto the final track-listing of Good Girl Gone Bad." – please make sure that's what was meant
  • Composition
    • "Margeaux Watson from Entertainment Weekly also commented that the song is a "lovesick ballad"." – this sort of comes out of nowhere – could a way be found to make it gel better?
    • ""Rehab" opens with a "tension-filled" string section, played by Stevie Blacke, as a contrasting violin, cello, and tambourine instrumental groove with Hannon Lane's keyboard melody." – I'm not sure what, but something doesn't quite feel right here (but perhaps it's just that I don't understand musical terms)
  • Release
    • "however the latter one was chosen." – is any reason given as to why that was?
    • "serviced the song for airplay" – as a non-musical person, I don't really know what this means
  • Music video
    • I'm still not entirely comfortable with the whole Jessica Biel thing – it feel really tabloid-y and sourced to the likes of The Sun, I'm not sure if it really passes the spirit of BLP
    • The paragraph describing the video is problematic – it just jumps from one sentence to the next and has no real flow. I read over it a few times and I'm still not really sure what happens in the video
    • "can be contrasted with Timberlake's own Future Sex/Love Sounds album". – I agree with a comment above, you need to explain how the author thought it contrasted, not just that he thought it did
    • Why is Best Female Artist in quote marks, but Best Music Video isn't (or vice versa)?
  • Live performances
    • "Rihanna performed "Rehab" on a therapist's couch adorned with metal casts of human heads and limbs." – just once, or did she do that at every concert?
  • She made the same performance during the tour.
    • Ok, I've made a ce, so please check if it still makes sense. Jenks24 (talk) 10:38, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Andy Downing of the Chicago Tribune felt that her performance of the song was "internally push-and-pull fueled"." – umm, I have no idea if this is positive or negative; perhaps paraphrase a little of that article to put it into context
    • Why is however used in the last sentence – what are you contrasting it with?
  • That the song was removed from the set list during the Australian leg. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 09:10, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ok, I've made a ce, so please check if it still makes sense. Also, is a reason given for why it was dropped for the Australian leg? Jenks24 (talk) 10:38, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jenks24 (talk) 08:52, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for these concerns...

  • Doesn't " Both Timbaland and Timberlake worked on the song " sound rather trivial and redundant when it's obvious from reading the entire section?
  • " Speaking to Robert Copsey of Digital Spy, Rihanna explained " Looks problematic. Why have "speaking" and "explained" in the same sentence?
  • " which is similar to several of Rihanna's previous singles[,] such as "
  • That part was not found in the source given.
  • " with a moderate slow groove " Link Groove (music).
  • " Critics felt that "Rehab" bears similarities to Timberlake's previously released songs " I think there is a better word than "felt", something like "suggested" or "noticed".
  • " According to the online music publisher Rap-Up " Rap-Up is actually a printed magazine.
  • " "Rehab" was physically released as a CD single on December 8, 2008 "
  • " A live performance of the song recorded during the Manchester show of Rihanna's Good Girl Gone Bad Tour (2007—09) and it was made available for download on iTunes in both countries " Read that aloud word for word and tell me what's wrong ;)
  • " "Rehab" generally received mixed to positive reviews from music critics " None of the reviews were particularly "mixed". They were either positive or negative. Note that this applies to the lead aswell.
  • " a single album " Is "single" really necessary?
  • " To date, the single has sold more than 160,000 copies in the United Kingdom. " To what date?
  • Watch out for usage of "while". Only use it when to events take place simultaneously and not just to connect facts.
  • " who had worked with Rihanna for several of her previous music videos " ("Several" is too vague of a word to give added meaning.)
  • " between Rihanna and Timberlake must be difficult for their partners, Chris Brown and Jessica Biel respectively, to watch " Why present tense?
  • "Speaking to Access Hollywood" Link AH and italicize because TV programs are just like that.
  • Again, it seems redundant to use "speaking" and "described" simultaneously.
  • " The video begins with Rihanna, "scantily-dressed" and wearing fishnet stockings, standing against a convertible car in a desert." Source?
  • " While lounging in the sun, she is wearing suspenders and a pair of 1940s-style sunglasses " Tense inconsistency.
  • " David Balls of Digital Spy praised the video, writing " Comma after "writing"
  • " Ethan Stainislawski of Prefix Magazine " To my understanding, Prefix is not a printed publication and is not italicized.
  • " He criticised her need to wear the eye patch and added that her outfit made her look like "an award trophy" " Use American English spelling of "criticized".
  • " Rihanna was scheduled to perform at the 51st Grammy Awards, however she canceled her performance at the awards ceremony " Wrong punctuation; use semi colon after "Awards" and comma after "however".
  • " Reports later surfaced regarding an alleged altercation with her then-boyfriend, singer Chris Brown " Brown was already introduced in MV section, unlink and remove "singer".

Very comprehensive, hard work is evident, and I will change my vote if I feel that the article is ready. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 22:50, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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