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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose 08:20, 9 July 2014 [1].

Queen Elizabeth Way edit

Nominator(s): Floydian τ ¢ 23:49, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the first intercity freeway in North America, and one of the most historical roads in Ontario and Canada - The Queen Elizabeth Way! This road, an addition to being Canada's first "freeway", has gone through decades of enhancements and upgrades for which I have managed to find reliable sources documenting every detail. This article was at WP:HWY/ACR, but since that venue is already into the dog days of summer, I decided to bring it here. It is one of my most recent works, and so I feel, with the experience of FAs on my belt, that it should be ready for the FA star... with a few tweaks most likely. Cheers, Floydian τ ¢ 23:49, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - As the sole reviewer at the ACR, I feel that this article is top quality and meets all FA criteria. Dough4872 00:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Source review: no spotcheck done

  • I find the separation between the shortened footnotes (the "page notes") and the other source footnotes to be quite jarring. Many other FAs have successfully mixed the two in a single list.
  • PN6 should not have its quotation in italics. This both violates the MOS, and it is inconsistent with how quotations in the full citations below are done.
  • It would be nice if all of the shortened footnotes were to wikilink to their full citations in the Bibliography subsection.
  • Normally newspaper citations lack the volume and issue numbers. It looks odd to have "40 (14472). June 26, 1920. p. 7." for a newspaper when a journal would use "June 26, 1920. 40 (14472): 7." Usually the date is sufficient with a newspaper, so the exact issue number is overkill.
  • FN8, and similar, should have "Life" or "News" in plain (roman) text, not italics. |department=News would accomplish that.
  • FN31 uses "Queen Elizabeth Way - Oakville - Fort Erie", in quotes, for the title of a report, yet other reports lack the quotations. <insert grumbling about {{cite report}} here> but the bigger issue is that it looks like those spaced hyphens should be unspaced en dashes.
  • FN47 is a dead link now, but it was archived here.
  • FN48 and FN 49 are missing the PDF indications.
  • FN55 should have Daily Commercial News in italics, since that is the name of the news website.
  • I would suggest that all of the article titles should be harmonized to either all use Title Case or Sentence case. MOST:CT would seem to prefer Title Case. (APA style says to convert article titles one way, and CMOS says to convert them another, whenever citing sources, regardless of how the original source handled the case.)
  • I would also suggest that titles and subtitles should be separated by a colon, not a dash. Both this and the bullet point above are minor typographic changes, which are allowed.

Reliability check:

  • I'm curious about FN 22 and boatnerd.com. That would appear to be a fansite, and we've pretty consistently decided not to cite the roadgeek sites.
  • All of the other sources fall into one of a few categories, which meet our requirements:
    • Regional newspapers
    • Official government reports
    • Official government or reputable third-party maps
    • Books from reputable publishers.

Other than the one source, and some really minor formatting quibbles, the sources look good to go. Imzadi 1979 → 00:35, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ok I believe I've made all the necessary changes, but take a look. Regarding the subtitles, those dashes are actually part of the titles themselves; none of them are actually subtitle. Cheers, Floydian τ ¢ 22:06, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: When I lived in Buffalo, we commonly referred to this highway for short not as the "QEW" (i.e., what you heard on Canadian radio and TV all the time, reflected in the lede) but as the "Queen E". By way of avoiding a pro-Canadian bias, could we find some sources for this? Here's one. Otherwise this is a fine article. Daniel Case (talk) 17:30, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Stamp's book on the QEW also mentions this nickname, and I've certainly heard it up here in Toronto. I will add it in, and I will be responding to / acting upon Imzadi's comments this weekend now that I've got some spare time. It's a shame that tomorrow is the 75th anniversary of the highway being commemorated by the King and Queen consort, but there's August of next year for another 75th anniversary! Cheers, Floydian τ ¢ 22:36, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Imzadi1979 and Daniel Case: Just pinging to see if they had further comments or if they are willing to support. - Floydian τ ¢ 03:13, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Count me as a support now. Daniel Case (talk) 03:49, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support—thanks for the ping, all looks good. BTW, you needed |ref=harv in the full citations so that the links from {{sfn}} would connect to the full citations. Also, you have to list each of the author's last names in sfn to get the links to work properly. I added them, so all is well. Imzadi 1979 → 04:46, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note -- Is someone prepared to sign their life away on the image licensing? If not, Floydian pls list an image review request at the top of WT:FAC. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 05:09, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Image review—starting with copyright or license statuses:

Items above marked with a * have a different license template than the other items with expired Crown Copyrights; I'm not sure if they should be switched to match the others, but their license status is the same. Turning to the captions, the map in the infobox ideally should have a caption added using |map_notes= to indicate that the red line is the QEW, a trivial item. In every other case, the captions are appropriate to the photos and their usage in the article. Periods are present where needed on captions that are full sentences and absent on most of the others as appropriate. (The last photo about the HOV lanes though has a period that should be removed.)

The last item concerning the images is placement. Everything looks good except one thing. There is a bit of a conflict in the MOS. Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility#Images says that the photos should be within the sections to which they pertain. Many images in this article are at the end of the preceding subsection, and not within the specific subsection to which they pertain. (In other words, they are above the L3 header.) Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Images says that they only need to be in the proper L2 section. Viewing the article on the mobile site on a device with a narrower screen* shows why this is a problem as the images will appear at the end of the preceding section above the header and not next to the appropriate text. (If you visit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_Way on a tablet or computer, the photos will appear in the same locations as the desktop site, but if you narrow the browser window on a computer or visit the site on a phone, the appear in the wrong locations.) Given this issue of conflict in the MOS, I would not hold up the promotion of the article over this. Instead, I'd wait until the MOS experts clarify which situation is proper. Imzadi 1979 → 15:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm gathering no significant issues re. images but I still see a Harv error, and I would've expected a citation to finish the first para of Route description. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:15, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
All fixed up. - Floydian τ ¢ 22:10, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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