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The article was promoted by Ian Rose (talk) 01:58, 10 August 2014 (diff).

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Lost Luggage (video game)

Nominator(s): Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 15:13, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

This article is about an Atari 2600 game. I used to play this game all the time, but it didn't have an article, so I made it. Now it's passed a GA review by Zanimum and has been peer reviewed by PresN. So it seems only logical to bring it here next! Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 15:13, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Comments from JimmyBlackwing

Made a few copyediting tweaks, but it looks solid. My biggest concern is that there are only two contemporaneous reviews. If you can up it to three, or if you can convince me that no other reviews exist, then you have my support. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 23:59, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, there are three - two of them are by Weiss (the Allgame and book). I couldn't find any others. The only other slightly-useful hit VG/S gives is this which is plainly unreliable. Thanks for looking, Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 00:20, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I suppose I could have been clearer. I meant that I'd like a third review from the time of the game's original release. Two reviews (TV Gamer and Electronic Games) is a bit thin. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 00:23, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh! I can do that. There aren't many reviews as long as those, but contempary opinions can be added. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 00:34, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

@JimmyBlackwing: I've added two sentences detailing two other reviews. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 01:28, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Support. Looks good to me. Really appreciate your work on overlooked Atari 2600 articles. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 01:59, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for having a look! I intend to keep working on A2600 games... doubt this will be the last to appear at FAC. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 02:00, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Support I review this at DYK and it was already a very nice article. It is an even better article now and deserves a FA star. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NickGibson3900 (talk)

Thanks Nick. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 15:17, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Comments from Indrian

A nice little article about one of the more obscure games of the era. I think it's really close, but I have a few prose concerns:

• "developed by the Texas-based video game studio Games by Apollo and released by them" That reads a bit awkwardly, perhaps "developed and released by the Texas-based video game studio Games by Apollo" instead.

Fixed Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 23:39, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• "Gone amok" is a bit informal and cheeky for an encyclopedia article.

Reworked Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 23:39, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• "and the game took around four weeks to make under Apollo's 5-person staff" This phrase is awkward

Removed "5-person staff"

• "from a wildly unpredictable baggage carousel gone amok" Again, this is a bit hyperbolic and informal for an encyclopedia article. If this is a direct quote from the manual or promotional materials it might be okay to keep it as a quote (something like: from what the manual describes as "a wildly unpredictable baggage carousel gone amok"), but otherwise I think its best to tone it down.

Reworked Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 23:39, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• "The player starts with three suitcases already collected, and whenever a suitcase hits the floor, the player loses one" I understand what this means, but the language is unclear. It implies that as you collect suitcases they are added to your total in the corner. Really, the three suitcases are stand ins for player lives and the player loses a life each time he misses a suitcase. I think this can be worded a little better for clarity.

Tried clarifying Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 23:39, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• "Depending on the difficulty level selected" If there are difficulty levels, you need to explicitly state how many there are.

Just two - added Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 23:39, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• "enabling this mode will cause black suitcases to appear" Again for clarity, this should make clear that not all of the suitcases in this mode are "terrorist suitcases."

Clarified Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 23:39, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• "Neither Salvo nor Runyon knew about either version." This sentence makes no sense. It should be changed to something like "Neither Salvo nor Runyon were aware a second version of the game had been released."

Tweaked Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 23:39, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• "Upon release, the game received negative reviews." I do not believe this statement is supported by the evidence. A negative review would be critical of the game design or playability and offer few, if any, redeeming comments. Electronic Games deemed the game playable and the setting inventive, but felt there were better cartridges available. TV Gamer likewise felt that younger players would enjoy it and merely felt a similar game offered superior game play. The other two reviews were largely positive. I would call these mixed reviews rather than negative.

Fixed Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 23:39, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

And that's it. Once these concerns are addressed, I would be happy to support. Indrian (talk) 16:36, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay Indrian. I don't know if I'll be able to fix these today but as soon as it's possible I'll patch these up. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 17:20, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

@Indrian: I think I've fixed these. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 23:39, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support. I took the liberty of making a couple of additional minor changes and am satisfied that my concerns have been addressed. Nice work on the article. Indrian (talk) 22:18, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your help and support! Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 23:10, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support. I've just come here from your link at Sonic: AtS's FAC, and after a small copyedit, I believe this meets the FA criteria. Nicely done. Tezero (talk) 00:33, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the copyedit and the support! Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 00:41, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• Image review
  • File:Lost Luggage gameplay.png should be downsampled to a maximum of 100k pixels all around (i.e. a width of 300 pixels would be perfect). The cover image is fine. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:05, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Shrunk Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 17:03, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• Prose comments
  • Link lives to Life (gaming)?

Done Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 17:03, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• • "terrorist suitcases" - are these supposed to have bombs in them or something?

I don't know. They're just called terrorist suitcases.

• • Salvo had difficulties with collision detection synchronizing with the joystick movements, which took one week to fix. - don't get what you're saying

Reworked Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 17:03, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• • and Runyon wrote that, "I really don't know or remember where it was intended for use - when did he write this?

Reworked Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 17:03, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• • Salvo wrote that he did not - when?

Reworked Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 17:03, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• • You don't actually have Allgame cited when you quote Weiss' review there — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:50, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Cited Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 17:03, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

@Crisco 1492: Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 17:03, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• • Two follow ups: people do not "write" in interviews, generally, and perhaps you mean "Salvo had difficulties with collision detection and synchronizing the movement of (sprites? did they use sprites in 1982?) with that of the joystick" — Crisco 1492 (talk) 17:14, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Got it. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 17:18, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support - Good work. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 17:34, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the review! Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 17:39, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Source review from Tezero

• 1. good
• 2. Is Atari Age a reliable source? It's not listed at WP:VG/RS one way or the other. Why not just use a different page of the instruction manual?
• 3. good
• 4. good
• 5. good
• 6. good - had to look a bit, but "all 5 of us" is there.
• 7. good
• 8. good
• 9. good
• 10. good
• 11. good
• 12. Why is "Internet Archive" part of the citation? Why not just use the traditional "Archived from the original on..." format?
• 13. good
• 14. good
• 15. good

Tezero (talk) 15:39, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

@Tezero: Fixed ref 12. The reason I didn't touch AtariAge is because I know it's a verified reproduction of the manual (I know because I have a copy). If you want me to make it an offline reference I can. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 23:55, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

I'd prefer making it an offline reference but using the AtariAge page as an online backup - basically, just don't put the word "AtariAge" in the source and you'll be good. It's like how editors sometimes link Google Books scans of print sources they're using, but you wouldn't put "Google Books" in the citation, would you? It's... unprofessional. Tezero (talk) 23:58, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

How does it look now? Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 01:12, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Good. Source review passes. Tezero (talk) 01:27, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 01:58, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

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