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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 1 March 2024 [1].

Horned sungem edit

Nominator(s): Jens Lallensack (talk) 00:08, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arguably one of the most beautiful birds on earth – and a notorious nectar robber. I was lucky enough to find some of them a few weeks ago in Brazil, and even made a nice video, which is included in this article. The species is poorly known, but I did an extensive literature review, and now think that the article is as comprehensive as it could be. Jens Lallensack (talk) 00:08, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Grungaloo edit

I reviewed and promoted this to GAN just a few days ago, so no comments on prose or sources from me. Just two things:

  • Some images are missing alts
added.
  • Distribution map needs a label
added.

grungaloo (talk) 00:26, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Both added; thanks! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 00:53, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support! grungaloo (talk) 01:07, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments edit

  • "only few other hummingbird species have recently expanded their range" => "few other hummingbird species have recently expanded their range"
fixed.
  • "Even though this mistake has been pointed out in 1999" => "Even though this mistake was pointed out in 1999"
fixed.
  • "The female is somewhat similar to the female black-eared fairy" - link the latter
Already linked earlier, but since it appears for the first time in a major section, I linked it again now.
  • "in the east from southern Maranhão south to São Paulo (state) " - showing the disambiguator in the article title looks wrong. Try "the state of Sao Paulo"
Right, fixed.
  • "and its range extends into northern state of São Paulo" => "and its range extends into the northern part of the state of São Paulo" (also no need to link the state again)
I removed the second mention of São Paulo to avoid being repetitive.
Thank you! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 13:43, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Funk edit

  • Marking my spot. FunkMonk (talk) 15:20, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The external links seem a bit random, like leftovers from the early days of the Internet?
I had already sorted out a few … now removed entirely. They do not really add anything. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 15:25, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps binomials could be given in parenthesis after the common names in the cladogram?
Added.
  • Do those genera mentioned under taxonomy and the cladogram have articles to link?
Linked.
  • "The species is considered to be uncommon,[1] though other sources have described it" This sentence seems a bit odd, as you don't initially mention a source.
Indicated source.
Linked.
  • "The horned sungem has recently expanded into Espírito Santo" When is "recently?
No information. The source really only has a single sentence on this, I can't be more specific unfortunately.
  • Not a big deal, but the intro strikes me as quite long for an article of this length. Usually it would be two rather than three paragraph for this length, and the included text is almost as detailed as that in the article body.
I condensed the lead, and yes, I think it's much better this way. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 13:32, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - that's all I had, looks good! FunkMonk (talk) 13:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

Support from Cas Liber edit

Looks fine comprehensiveness and prose-wise..only slight quibble for me is the lead but a non-dealbreaker as some prefer the flow of the lead contents to mirror the article subheading order - namely sentence 2 in lead is slightly jarring after the first sentence and I'd slot the description material after the range materal (and also allow melding of sentence 1 into where it is found in south america). But this is minor really. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I reworked the lead accordingly, hope it is better now. Jens Lallensack (talk) 00:29, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Esculenta edit

Lead

  • "The sexes differ markedly in appearance" link to sexual dimorphism?
Done.
  • possible useful links: crest, buff; if savanna is linked why not also grassland?; nomadic, migrate, Amazonia directs to "Amazon rainforest" – is that intended? (same link later in Dist + hab)
All done, except for "nomadic", since the article is only about humans, but I explained in-text now. Link to Amazonia was incorrect, thanks for the hint!
  • since the page is also about the genus, Heliactin should also be bolded in the lead
Done

Taxonomy

  • there's no explanation in the text about what lapsis means in the synonym list
That's legacy from the old article version. I don't actually think these are spelling mistakes; they instead are suggested emandations. Removed.
  • shouldn't the basionym be in the synonym list?
Added.
  • since Temminck's original publication had an image but no description, I'm wondering if it would be more appropriate to unlink the piped link from "named" and instead link it a couple of sentence later ("In the description of the new species that followed a few years later…")
Done.
Done, thanks.
  • please include non-breaking spaces in short-form binomials to avoid unsightly line breaks
Done.
Done.
  • shouldn't all of those bird common names be lower case?
Yes, done.
  • what type of information is the cladogram based on?
Molecular. Added.

Description

  • "1.6 centimetres" the abbreviated "cm" was already used earlier
Done.

Distribution and habitat

  • following the example of our own articles on the topics, it seems that Cerrado and Caatinga don't need italicization
Done.

Ecology and behavior

  • link breeding season, lichen
Done
  • the idea of "subordinate species" is interesting; is this an established biological phenonemon? Are they subordinate just because they are physically smaller?
Apparently, size is not the only criterion. In many hummingbird species, the male is dominant and the female is subordinate – unless they form a pair, when the female is granted access to the flowers guarded by the male, which allows her to brood and raise the chicks.

Status

  • CITES is spelled out for the reader, who I guess already knows IUCN (in the lead too)?
Spelled out IUCN as well.
  • link protected area
Done.
  • "The horned sungem has recently expanded into" any timeframe for "recently"?
Unfortunately not. I don't have any more information on this.

References

  • link author "BirdLife International"
Done.
  • page # and link to page for Wied-Neuwied, M. 1821? trans-title?
Done.
  • make isbn hyphenation consistent throuhgout
Done
  • FN#11 "pp. 187, 72" unusual to give the page order this way, no?
Done
  • FN#15 this one has title case for a book title, but some other book titles are sentence case
Done
  • "p. 40, 167." -> pp.
Done.
  • FN#22 Machado 2014 actually has a Portuguese title, so that should be given along with the English translation. Here's a link to a PDF of the article
Done.

Thank you for the review, especially all those wiki-link suggestions I would never have thought of. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 02:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source and prose review from AK edit

  • Will do in a day or two. AryKun (talk) 12:31, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some initial notes:
  • One mite known from the species, seems worth mentioning.
Thanks, added.
  • "Heliactin bilophus (Horned Sungem) - Avibase". Avibase is already the publisher, so you don't need it in the title.
removed.
  • The Temminck and van der Mije refs need a more specific page range.
Done.
  • The BOW ref needs the retrieval date updated.
Done.
  • Update the IOC and BirdLife checklist refs, they're both several versions out of date. Also applies to their archives and retrieval dates.
Done.
  • The Vitorino ref link and doi both lead to a Brazilian casino website?
Very ugly, apparently the doi has been usurped; I already removed it once but citation boot keeps adding it back. I have now added a comment that should keep the bot from adding it in the future.
  • Shouldn't the titles of books be in title case?
Puh, done.
  • Otherwise refs look good. AryKun (talk) 13:51, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Glad to hear.
  • The Marini et. al. link is broken (SORA link) and it also has a Spanish title (maybe subtitle translation?).
I added the "dead url" parameter, but the archive link is still working. I don't think it has a Spanish title; that is just the translation of the abstract.
  • In the Wied-Neuwied ref, either expand "Frankfurt a.M.: H.L. Brönner." to Frankfurt am Main or just put Frankfurt.
Spelled out (since there is another Frankfurt in Germany …).
  • "female will build the nest, incubate the eggs, and rear the chicks" to "female builds the nest, incubates the eggs, and rears the chicks"?
Done.
  • "classified as least concern" to "classified as being of least concern"?
Sure? Google Scholar gives me 3,280 hits for the former but only 104 for your suggestion.
  • Don't need the IUCN's initialism in the lead since you don't use it there.
removed.
  • Maybe link species, Suriname, and nomadic in the lead.
Linked species. Suriname is a country and we are not supposed to link them. For nomadic, I can't find an appropriate article (see also the same point by the reviewer above).
  • The way you've linked the Colibri and Anthracothorax groups makes it seem like they're the only genera in those groups; any way to make it clearer that they include others?
I didn't link them originally for this reason, but FunkMonk above requested the links. But the text states that there are 12 genera, not only 3, and the cladogram also shows that a group has multiple genera. I will think about a solution, but at the moment nothing comes to mind.
  • "upper side" Single word (has slightly different implication than just entire upper side of the bird) and link to birdgloss using the template.
Changed, but the birdgloss does not have this entry (it lacks so many terms …).
  • "can be identified based on its yellow-green" to "can be identified by its yellow-green"?
Done.
  • You use "female" to start two successive sentences here; maybe reword one of them to avoid the repetition.
Changed.
  • "nectavivorous" typo.
Corrected.
  • "usually feeds singly" to "usually feeds alone"
Done.
  • "blossoms from close to the ground" to either "blossoms that are close to the ground" or "blossoms from plants close to the ground"
Changed.
  • "studied Cerrado area" cerrado should be italicized.
I had them italicized but the reviewer above asked me to un-italicize them (not that I have any issue with both ways).
Done.
  • "swallow-tailed hummingbird where this species" "This" feels kind of ambiguous here in terms of what it's supposed to refer to.
Added "in areas".
  • An external link to the Macaulay Library would be useful; their photos are much better than the ones we have on Commons. I'd recommend distinct links for a couple of these photos (1, 2, 3, 4, 5), which I think illustrate several important stages of the hummingbird's lifecycle very well.
In an "external links" section? Done.
@AryKun: Many thanks for the detailed review! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 01:28, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cool, excellent work otherwise, support on prose and Pass source review from me. AryKun (talk) 12:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comments edit

  • "Nectar Robbing Behavior of the Horned Sungem Hummingbird (Heliactin bilophus) (Birds: Trochilidae) in Two Species Plant the Genus Amphilophium kunth (Bignoniaceae) and Sinningia Nees (Gesneriaceae)" needs an identifier. (Hint, the OCLC is 6916894431).
Thanks, added!
  • Ridgeley et al needs a publisher location.
Also added.
  • From the lead "The sungem may also consume small insects." The main article does not have the qualifier "may". So is it "may", or 'does'?
I wanted this to mean "can", but "does" is much better; changed.
  • "The chicks are naked and black after hatching, and can fly after 20 to 22 days." Is it possible to avoid using "after" twice in the sentence? Gog the Mild (talk) 14:04, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reformulated.


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