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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 04:21, 31 December 2008 [1].

Georges Vézina edit

Nominator(s): Kaiser matias (talk)

Article about an ice hockey goaltender who's most notable for playing 15 years without taking a rest, dying of tuberculosis, and having a trophy for best goaltender named after him. Not a lot is written about Vézina other than that, so it was a quite the challenge to turn this article from a stub a month ago to this. All concerns will be addressed as soon as possible. Kaiser matias (talk) 22:01, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - This is a good, informative article with reliable sources, though there are some issues to address before I can support.

  • Where was Vézina born? in Chicoutimi? that should be mentioned in the first sentence of the "Personal life", it should be linked to the Chicoutimi article, and specify the province (for readers not familiar with Canadian geography).
  • "Vézina operated a tannery in Chicoutimi, living a quiet, clean life" - what do you mean by "clean life"? I think this can be worded better.
  • "In 1918–19 Vézina won ten games..." - this paragraph needs references.
  • "After winning thirteen games in 1922–23, ..." - additional references are needed in this paragraph, especially where the article gives numbers such as his goals against average.

--Aude (talk) 23:00, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Addressed all the concerns. Kaiser matias (talk) 00:59, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The changes look good, though before supporting, I need to re-read and see if I notice anything else. --Aude (talk) 04:28, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - With the changes, I think the article now meets the FAC criteria. --Aude (talk) 21:30, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments -

  • "Vezina allowed the fewest goals against in the league seven times in his four, four times in the NHA and three times in the NHL." Change the first comma to a colon, as it now could be interpreted that the four and three are in addition to the seven.
  • Personal life: "This rumour was started when the Canadiens manager, Leo Dandurand". Apostrophe could be added to Canadiens.
  • "In actuality, the Vezina's only had two children and Georges spoken broken English." Remove apostrophe and change spoken to spoke.
  • "A second son was born the night of the Montreal Canadiens first Stanley Cup win in 1916." Apostrophe for Canadiens again?
  • Playing career: "This time, they convinced Georges, along with his brother Pierre, to come to Montreal, arriving on December 22, 1910." The sentence is awkward when read in its entirety. The last part is what needs an adjustment.
  • "but due to a tie for first, the Canadiens had to play a two game, total goals series against Toronto." Hyphen for two game?
  • "The following season Vezina, who led the NHA in goals against for the fourth time in seven years, as the Canadiens again reached the Stanley Cup Finals, though they lost to the Seattle Metropolitans." Another sentence that seems off.
  • "The championship was the Canadiens first as a member of the NHL and second title as a club." Another apostrophe for Canadiens.
  • Legacy: Move ref 28 after the comma.
  • "instead giving it to the goaltender deemed best in the league based on a poll by NHL general managers." I think it could be "a poll of NHL general managers."
  • The Centre Georges-Vezina and Vezina Trophy links can be removed from the See also section, because they are included in the body.

That's it from me. Giants2008 (17-14) 03:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All concerns addressed. Kaiser matias (talk) 05:55, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I think this is quite good. It's less stat-heavy than Tiny Thompson, which is also at FAC now, and covers his career quite well. That being said, the one thing I'd change is "with Vezina recording a shutout in the deciding game" in 1923–24. This is a noun-plus-ing structure, and should be fixed. This will also get rid of some passive voice, which helps. If I have time, I'll see if there's more passive voice and make any needed fixes myself. Overall, though, I think it meets FA standards. Giants2008 (17-14) 21:45, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I changed the wording, it should be better now. Kaiser matias (talk) 01:08, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Adjusted it further myself. While I was doing that, I looked for more passive voice, but nothing jumped out at me. Giants2008 (17-14) 00:13, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments -

Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:06, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Could you give an example of what you mean with the mixing of citation templates? I'm quite confused in regards to this. Kaiser matias (talk) 02:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You're using the harvdb thingie in the short notes along with cite web. Harvdb uses citation. Best to switch your web refs to citation instead of cite web. Ealdgyth - Talk 02:17, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I think I did this right now. All the references now use the citation template. Kaiser matias (talk) 04:16, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image review: All images appear to be fine. --Moni3 (talk) 18:16, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Taken care of. Kaiser matias (talk) 05:37, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Nurmsook (talk · contribs)

  • I could be way off here, but should the Canadian flag in the infobox be File:Flag of Canada 1921.svg as he died when it was in use? Or do we just keep with whatever the flag is now?
  • I went ahead and fixed a few things I noticed. Two dabs (Canadian -> Canada, Spanish influenza -> Spanish flu) and added Category:Ice hockey personnel from Quebec.

The flag thing isn't really a glarring issue, so it doesn't hinder my support for this article, but I would like to know what the situation is regarding that for personal reference ;-) Great job! – Nurmsook! talk... 06:10, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I tried changing the flag in the infobox to match the Canadian flag of the 1920's, but have no idea how to do it. If you can figure it out, I'll be all for it. Kaiser matias (talk) 02:50, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think you have to change the code in the template for the infobox, it is possible with the country template used but the code in the infobox needs to be changed. —Krm500 (Communicate!) 14:43, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure of how to change the coding for templates, but regardless, I don't think it makes that big of a difference. It still lists Vézina as being Canadian, which he was. Kaiser matias (talk) 04:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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