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Nominator(s): Tanweertalk 10:13, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have been working for this article from early 2009. From then the article has received two peer reviews and also been copy-edited. It was listed as a GA in early 2010. I've relentlessly contributed to this article with a view to making it a FA. It's now a comprehensive article about Dhaka Residential Model College, a high school in Dhaka which is celebrating its 50th anniversary this year. I would love if I'm showed the problems that may be act like impediments in this way. I am confident that it meets all the FA criteria and I hope you agree. Thanks for your understandings. -- Tanweertalk 10:13, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: 2 dabs (President's Award and Viva voce; no deadlinks. PL290 (talk) 10:27, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Issues concerning dabs have been solved. Please let me know where in the article http://www.drmc-edu.org has been used. -- Tanweertalk 16:37, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The last line of the infobox. Ucucha 18:35, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) It's given as the link to the college website (last entry in the infobox). The link checker currently reports no deadlinks for me, though I notice it says this link has a "Connection issue", evidently something to watch out for with this tool in future as I cannot in fact connect to the site from the infobox link. PL290 (talk) 18:38, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Such things can evidently depend on who is trying to get to a link. The drmc-edu.org link still doesn't work for me. Ucucha 12:01, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sources issues

  • There are numerous citations to "Srijon" and "Shandipan". What are these - books, journals?
  • Format consistency is necessary, e.g. in ref 39 you have "Srijon (2002), p. 40" while 62 reads Hossain, M (2002). "DRMC wins BTV quiz contest". Srijon: 35,36.
  • What makes http://www.storyofpakistan.com/person.asp?perid=P017 reliable? This biography of Ayub Khan is far from scholarly.
  • Why is Banglapedia a reliable source?
  • What makes http://www.tariquerahman.net/index.php/profile reliable, and why is the spelling in the reflist different from tht on the site itself?
  • The Parjatan Bichitra, if it is a newspaper or journal, needs to be italicised.
  • The college's website is used as a sources, and should not therefore appear under External links.

Brianboulton (talk) 15:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:

  • Srijon and Shandipan are both annual magazine of the college. The name Srijon was used until 2002, since 2003 the name is Shandipan.
  • I take your concern for StoryOfPakistan seriously. So this ref has been canceled and I've used http://pakistanherald.com/Profile/Muhammad-Ayub-Khan-1180 instead as this is the official website of Pakistan Herald, one of the newspapers of Pakistan.
  • Banglapedia, written and edited by experts in concerned arenas, is the national encyclopedia of Bangladesh. Please read the article Banglapedia to know more. So there is no doubt about the accuracy and reliability of the encyclopedia.
  • http://tariquerahman,com is the personal website of Tarique Rahman. Spelling issue has been solved.
  • I would like to know about this matter in details. The college's website has been used as source. But why it shouldn't appear under External Links. Please let me instead, know what should appear?
    "External links" should provide links to associated websites other than those used as sources for the article if you think they may be of some general interest to readers of the article. It's a bit like "Further reading", but it relates to online material. Brianboulton (talk) 18:11, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I think we generally make an exception for links to a topic's official site, though. Ucucha 18:39, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

With regards. -- Tanweertalk 16:33, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:

  • Parenthetical information seems like poor style for the introduction, particularly: "when Bangladesh was still a part of Pakistan (Bangladesh gained independence in 1971)" seems like unnecessary information for the lead.
  • "The school was the only one in Bangladesh under the direct control of the Ministry of Education, and it continues to enjoy this special status as of 2010" - could this be reworded to: "Since it's creation, the school has been the only one in Bangladesh under the direct control of the Ministry of Education"?
  • "DRMC is one of the most competitive schools in the country" - the source for this does not actually comment on DRMC's competitiveness.
  • "The Government of Bangladesh recognized the school for its strong performance in the Higher Secondary Certificate examination in 2008" - The source seems to indicate that it is specifically the Dhaka Education Board awarding this; if that's correct the sentence should be changed.
  • "Dhaka was the capital and the largest city of East Pakistan" - is this necessary background information?
  • The information on the number of current students is imprecise. Can you find a source that doesn't round to the nearest thousand?
  • "a four-storied house named Dr. Muhammad Shahidullah" - is that the dorm's name, or is it named after him?
  • "emphasizes student discipline in all of their activities" - what does this mean and why is there no source for it?
  • "In addition to a terminal exam, two class tests are held each ....... scholarship examination." - this is unsourced, as is the following paragraph.
  • Much of the admission section is unsourced
  • Why are extracurricular activities like quizbowl given so much coverage? Are they really that important? Similar concerns about the alumni association.
  • If alumni are notable, they should be linked to their own articles, even if they are red links. I think.
  • "Many senior government officials and public representative of Bangladesh are Remians" - unsourced

~~Andrew Keenan Richardson~~ 02:59, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong oppose - POV and sourcing
    • Although the article seems to be mostly sourced, many of the sources don't check out
      • Campus section: ref4 is to Ayub Khan and doesn't fit any of the two lines before it. 37 only covers the infirmary and not the other claims about the football field etc. "The school has its own water-pump for the water supply of the college.[37" ref is actually about the hospital. So the first half of the para only has one sentence actually reffed, the others have window-dressing refs that don't work. SEcond half is Bengali, so I can't check it
      • "Houses" The second half of the first para and the whole second para, is not at all in the ref attached. 75% of the section is attached to bogus sources
      • Exam stats table. None of the sources give teh % pass rate of 99%+. Only the number of GPA-5s are given. What is the source for the claim of near perfect success???
      • Sports section ref does not give the result of the football match
      • Admission: The sources only say that there is an exam and that supply < demand, not all the rest as well
      • Start of academics. POV claim about great discipline and large library not in ref. r16 only covers the last sentence not the other stats before it
      • History. "DRMC was originally established by the Ayub Khan, the first military leader of Pakistan,[4] to provide education for army officers in East Pakistan. The school, and later the college, were modeled after public schools in the United Kingdom (according to the British Public Schools Act 1868), particularly Eton College. The house system was designed to resemble Eton's. After the independence of Bangladesh, a board of governors was appointed with the Education Secretary as its Chairman. " not in the source "DRMC was established as a fully residential educational institution with five dormitories, but because of a significant increase in the number of students over the last two decades, the school also offers a non-resident option for students. Built in 1960, Qudrat-i-Khuda House was the first dormitory for students in grades 3–7. Another dormitory named Ayub House was built in 1961, capable of accommodating around 200 students of the same grades" not in the ref afterwards
  • Is the DRMC Preospectus [12] actually in English or Bengali. I opened it but it shows stuff in the English alphabet but meaninglessly. It is not tagged bn atm YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 05:13, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • POV
      • "Dhaka Residential Model College's results from 2005 to 2009 for the Secondary School Certificate level examinations are as follows:" misleading. Those are its ranking in Dhaka, not all of Bangladesh as implied by no conditions being attached
      • "DRMC publishes a magazine annually, Shandipan, containing school related news, poems, articles, stories, science fiction, jokes and other items of imterest, written by the students, teachers and staff. The magazine reflects the creativity of the college, and provides an opportunity for students to express their thoughts. " Are they allowed to criticise the school then?? If so, the school saying the students are free is not indept
      • " won championships in 4th International World Youth Mathematics Intercity competition,[66] National Math Olympiad 2008 and Math Olympiad 2009 hosted by Bangladesh University of Business and Technology" The 4th IWYMIC winning thing isn't in the source, and the 2008 NMO isn't either. Can we have indept RS for claims of success etc?? Most/all schools and unis lie on their CVs, unfortunately
        • "Dhaka Residential Model College is noted for its academic performance and extracurricular activities, having produced many notable alumni including leaders in business, the military and state and national politics as well as senior government officers, scientists and engineers.[5][6" source only says it is "coveted" and doesn't say anything about influential people
        • "The institution was awarded 'Best College' in the 5th National Debate Festival 2010, the largest debate contest in the country organized by the National Debate Federation Bangladesh" - nonsense the source says that it was won by another school; this is in the lead
        • Other victories mentioned in the lead, with no independent source

In short the article has lots of unsourced stuff, or nominally sourced stuff linking to bogus cites. Many claims of great achievement link to sources that say no such thing, or to school sources. This article gives the perception of a puff piece, especially as all of the wrong/dubious information are positive claims and make the article more incorrectly POV, and there is nothing negative in the article YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 05:13, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. In addition, the claim that "DRMC is one of the most competitive schools in the country" goes to this which says nothing of the sort. Another one is that the source for Mohamed Mijarul Quayes being a alumni does not mention it, so it's useless. The "Best College" source says "Best College- Eden Women’s College, Residential Model College, ...", which presumably refers to this one, and to multiply winners. Imagine the offline and other-language sourcing just as bad. As pointed out, sourcing is extremely shoddy, and the article should be stripped of its GA status. Christopher Connor (talk) 10:01, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Eden thing is in Barisal, another city, so someone else won. Yes this article should not be GA. It is a joke. YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 10:52, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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