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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 27 November 2020 [1].

Bluey (2018 TV series) edit

Nominator(s): SatDis (talk) 01:15, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the 2018 Australian children's series Bluey which has quickly experienced success as the highest rating children's programme in Australia. Its deal with Disney has seen it made popular in the United States, United Kingdom and other countries. The series is unique for being a high quality show for preschoolers that many adults also enjoy. I would appreciate it if you head over to the article and leave a review here.

@JAYFAX: @Allied45: I appreciated your input on the B-Class and Good Article reviews and would love it if you could provide further input on the updated article. Thanks. SatDis (talk) 01:15, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Update: All references on the page have now been archived. SatDis (talk) 05:31, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Update: Citation bot used. SatDis (talk) 12:17, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@SatDis: Heya, I'll get round to looking at a diff from the time I reviewed. JAYFAX (talk) 19:05, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Allied45:, would you be interested in taking a quick look at the article and leaving a review? Please let me know if unable. Thanks. SatDis (talk) 07:33, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @SatDis:, sorry for the lack of response - I have been away from Wikipedia for a bit. I have left some comments below :) Allied45 (talk) 06:25, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Image review—pass edit

Images are either freely licensed, or appropriately tagged fair use images (t · c) buidhe 01:23, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Buidhe: A new fair use image has been added. SatDis (talk) 12:39, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the new image meets Criterion 8: "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." It would be potentially replaceable with a free image of a generic storyboard, and the process described in the caption is just typical storyboard process as far as I understand it. (t · c) buidhe 14:07, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Buidhe: Understood. Image has been removed.SatDis (talk) 21:23, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment from Aoba47 edit

Resolved comments

Apologies for bringing this up, but I believe there is an error in this nomination. SatDis had an FAC archived on September 28, and according to the FAC guidelines, "none of the nominators may nominate or co-nominate any article for two weeks unless given leave to do so by a coordinator". Since it has not been two week since the nominator's last FAC, I think this should be archived. Pinging the FAC coordinators (@FAC coordinators: ) Aoba47 (talk) 02:04, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • IDK if that's fair. The last nomination got hardly any feedback at all. If I were the coords I would waive the waiting period (t · c) buidhe 04:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Apologies, I was unaware of the rule. Yes, the last didn't get any feedback so I thought I'd try a different project. Thanks. SatDis (talk) 04:31, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do not mean to be harsh, but I was genuinely curious about this. The FAC guidelines getting permission from a coordinator. Apologies for any offense, but it was just something I had noticed. Aoba47 (talk) 05:49, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi guys, pretty well everything said above is more-or-less correct: people whose noms have been archived are supposed to wait two weeks before nominating any other article unless they've checked with the coords first, and the coords have discretion to waive the two-week rule when the archived nom has attracted little or no feedback. That said, my fellow coord Andy did specifically mention the two-week wait when archiving that nom so I'd prefer to give him a chance to weigh in here... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:44, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies again for being careless with the nomination. I thought the two week rule was in reference to the original article being re-nominated. Thanks. SatDis (talk) 09:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm OK with this going forward. Thanks for checking in! --Laser brain (talk) 11:44, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from HĐ edit

  • with all of the characters representing a particular dog breed → is this breed the "Blue Heeler" one mentioned earlier?
  • Brumm stated that the first pilot contained some "dangerous" character behaviours → Interesting. Is there anything specific about these "dangerous" behaviours, if any?
  • with BBC investing → I believe it should be "the BBC"
  • Brumm drew inspiration from watching his two children play, ..., many of which are based on his experiences playing with his daughters → I think these two sentences can be merged into one concise sentence
  • I've read up to the "Writing" section and the article is well written. Will try to examine the whole prose within a few days' time, HĐ (talk) 01:16, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Have replaced "particular" with "distinguishable"; as there are a range of dog breeds. I was also thinking of "distinctive".
  • Would "each representing a different dog breed" be better? (the key word here is "each" imo) HĐ (talk) 01:44, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, done.
  • For "dangerous" behaviours; Brumm stated "It just had some dangerous stuff in it. Bandit was pushing Bluey and she wanted to go all the way around on a swing, so she ends up doing a full 360 degrees. It was just unsafe. You could never put that on kids TV." Not sure how I would include that in the prose?
  • I think that quote is fine, HĐ (talk) 01:44, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks, @HĐ:, I have added the quote in a note. SatDis (talk) 07:06, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Some further comments

  • Any illustrations of the storyboard? (Non-free is fine imo)
  • Avoid one-sentence paragraphs (as in the current "Music" section)
  • While the Heeler family are presented as a nuclear family, both adults are shown to be working parents; → I believe "while" is not an appropriate word choice here
  • with the series being described as "social realism" that represents the working class → I think an attribution is needed here
  • I'd prefer active voice over passive voice where possible, for example Australian culture is also explored throughout the series, which is set in subtropical Queensland
  • Overall a well written article! Will be happy to voice my support once my concerns have been addressed, HĐ (talk) 15:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @HĐ: There are some storyboards at the article here [2] if you would like to have a look for suitability; question: would I just cite the ABC as copyright holders of those photographs? I have fixed all of the other suggestions. Thanks for your time. SatDis (talk) 07:31, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • If the storyboards are useful then I'd suggest adding them, but if not (per WP:NFCC criterion 8) then I don't really stress on this issue. I think the copyright holder should be the distributor/producer of this series (I'm not very knowledgeable on this though). HĐ (talk) 05:45, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @HĐ: I have uploaded a storyboard and I believe it has correctly been tagged as fair use (funnily enough, I was referring to ABC News as the copyright holders). I have also pinged the Image Reviewer of this review in case they needed to check it. I do think it adds to the article, thankyou for the suggestion. SatDis (talk) 12:39, 14 October 2020 (UTC) Update: Image reviewer declined the new image; it has now been removed. SatDis (talk) 21:23, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, if image is not necessary to add to the article then I'm fine with it Happy to give my support based on prose. Good job with the article, HĐ (talk) 01:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thankyou for your support! SatDis (talk) 10:04, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments by JAYFAX edit

I have previously assessed this article in November 2018, in which it successfully qualified as B-Class. Reading this article, there are no obvious show-stoppers; quite certain this will qualify for FA. I will be combing through various sections.

Characters

The show itself is being used as the source for most items here, which is fine and expected; the character descriptions are brief with good faith they are accurate. Specific claims about voice actors require verification however, especially where one is explicitly described as "notable", I've outlined:

  • Mrs. Retriever (voiced by Ann Kerr) → verification needed for voice actor
  • Pat (voiced by Brad Elliot) → verification needed for voice actor (not in source)
  • Bob Heeler (voiced by Ian McFadyen) → verification needed for voice actor
  • Field also voices Rusty's Dad, a Red Kelpie who is in the army. → verification needed

I've otherwise fact checked several other claims, all accurate. JAYFAX (talk) 19:12, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • @JAYFAX: Thank you for leaving a review, I appreciate your time. I have added references for all of the voice actors. SatDis (talk) 12:07, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Development

Prose here is very good. I only have a few minor comments and slight nuances to address.

  • The episodes show the parents as guides for their children, who allow them to explore their immediate surroundings independently, giving them opportunities to "practise adult roles" → very, very small nitpick, but "practise adult roles" in double-quotes doesn't actually appear verbatim in the source (although "practicing adult roles". Probably doesn't need those quotes, really.
  • Brumm's process for writing begins with making notes → reviewing this source, only mentions this is his process "sometimes".
  • Pearson stated that over time, the viewings developed into "test screenings" → Same case earlier, doesn't really need double-quotes for "test screenings" (not verbatim in source).
  • who was initially approached to read "a couple of lines" → Source doesn't really say McCormack was approached under that guise, but McCormack himself first assumed that.

All other quotes and claims are accurate. Next few sections I'll look at are smaller so should speed through the rest soon, don't want to hold up this up too long :) JAYFAX (talk) 21:19, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Themes

@SatDis:

  • compromise and resolve conflicts → comma after compromise
  • Added.
  • siblings engage in play-based activity during "mundane" activities → something is a bit awkward about "activity" / "activities" being close together (esp when they are referring to two different aspects). Might require rewording sentence as whole.
  • Have reworded.
  • Pearson has stated that the characters experience emotions such as jealousy and regret through their gameplay → Cliffhanger; can this be explained a tad further. Seems important actually, source says kinda says it's part of the learning goals.
  • I have added this explanation; please let me know if it works. "He commented that, while there is no antagonist in the series, these emotions form the central conflicts of the program."
  • Through the general terms of the show's dialogue, → Delete this, I don't think it helpfully characterises the line Jack delivers.
  • Removed.

JAYFAX (talk) 21:05, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • @JAYFAX: Thanks again for the insightful comments.SatDis (talk) 10:20, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @JAYFAX: Hi again, just wondering if you had any more comments? Thanks. SatDis (talk) 13:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @SatDis: Heya. Yes I will be reading other sections soon. I didn't forget, but thanks for the heads up. JAYFAX (talk) 18:10, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have no comments for Episodes, and Release. Have verified sources.

Reception Have verified sources here, except for TV Week Close Up (ref 63) which I take is print-only? I have good faith what's cited there is accurate nonetheless.

  • Yes, print only, and another editor added that to the article so I cannot verify.
  • The highest rating live broadcast of the program; → Word order, is that meant to be "The highest live broadcast rating(s)"? Possibly "viewing figures" instead of "rating" would work better here too. And comma, not semicolon.
  • It was the most watched broadcast across all free-to-air multichannels, and the eighteenth most watched broadcast overall. → I think you have your refs mixed up, this isn't supported in ref 69 (tv tonight) but it is in ref 70.
  • This is meant to be "highest-rating" as alternative to "most-viewed". Have fixed. I have fixed the ref and added a new one - thanks for picking up.

Have particularly checked that all awards described are accurate. I have no comments for Other media. Have verified sources, bar one paywall about pyjamas. Have looked various articles online that seems to broadly concur with the story. General remarks: this article has excellent prose throughout. It is regrettable there aren't many photos though, but I do understand that happens especially when the topic is a non-free media. Maybe a photo of Brisbane architecture where that's mentioned? There might be something on Commons. The screen reader description for the title card is excellent, oddly entertaining. The photo of the blue heeler over at Commons could do with a file description (for screen readers) never mind, just realised it already is. JAYFAX (talk) 22:55, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

* @JAYFAX: Comments above. Thanks so much for the idea about images - I have added a Jacaranda tree (a photo from Brisbane) in the themes section, which I believe is a great addition... I will look for other suitable images. Thank you for the review, it has been so helpful. Thanks for the comment on the screen reader, I enjoyed writing that. Will you be leaving any further comments? SatDis (talk) 10:12, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
* @SatDis: Thank you for your patience with me. I have reviewed all your changes, and I would like to indicate my support for this nomination. JAYFAX (talk) 17:40, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
* @JAYFAX: Thank you so much, I appreciate it! SatDis (talk) 21:42, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Joe edit

I should start leaving comments soon. JOEBRO64 18:30, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@TheJoebro64: Just a courtesy ping to ask when you might be leaving comments. Thanks again. :) SatDis (talk) 05:20, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, sorry I haven't gotten to it yet. I've been very busy IRL and when I've gotten Wiki time I've just been doing other things. I should make time today or tomorrow. JOEBRO64 12:52, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@TheJoebro64: Thankyou, I really do appreciate it! SatDis (talk) 13:21, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, here are my comments. I'm sorry it took so long! Thank you for being patient:

  • "The show follows Bluey, an anthropomorphic six-year-old Blue Heeler puppy named Bluey, ..." a bit more concise
  • Is there any reason that only some characters have sources to back up their descriptions? IMO they all should, but if I'm missing something just let me know.
  • "... difficult to pitch the series as it wasn't was not high-concept..." MOS:CONTRACTIONS.

That's all that I caught. Good work. JOEBRO64 13:40, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • @TheJoebro64: Many thanks! Have addressed the issues. The sources in the Characters section were merely to cite the voice actors. I was told using the show itself as a source for character descriptions was okay and wouldn't need specific references. Hopefully that helps; looking forward to your support of the review. SatDis (talk) 13:49, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alright, here's a support. Best of luck! JOEBRO64 14:09, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments from Aoba47 edit

  • Have removed these duplicate links and others. Just FYI, have linked Blue Heeler once in the lead and first appearance in the body (I believe that is the protocol?)
  • That is protocol. I saw a Blue Heeler linked twice in the body, but that seems to have been addressed. Aoba47 (talk) 19:43, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed this example and others.
  • @Aoba47: Fixed. Thanks for the comments and suggestions, hopefully I have addressed them accordingly. SatDis (talk) 10:21, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for the responses so far. I will look through the article tomorrow if that is okay with you. Aoba47 (talk) 19:43, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I found two scholarly articles (12) that may be beneficial to the article. I know this show is relatively recent, but it may be helpful to double-check to see if there are any further scholarly articles about the show. Aoba47 (talk) 18:41, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for finding them. I only found one of the articles particularly useful - but it has helped me to add details to the conception of the series, music, as well as the representations of Australia in the "Themes" section. It would be great if you could read these additions in the diff updates.
  • The edits look good to me. I am glad at least one of the sources was helpful. Aoba47 (talk) 05:19, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I noticed that some of the citations include both the work and publisher while others only include the work. For instance, citation 100 has both Mediaweek and Prometheus Global Media, but citation 51 only has Mumbrella. It should be consistent one way or the other. Aoba47 (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have a question here. I have endeavoured to add the work and the publisher for each reference. However, sites such as Mumbrella are independent and don't have a larger publisher. So, should I remove all the publishers for consistency?
  • I am not entirely sure to be honest, so I will leave this to whomever does the source review. Aoba47 (talk) 05:19, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, I have already included this in the passage - "Brumm had a Blue Heeler named Bluey throughout his childhood".
  • Thank you for pointing this out. I read over it somehow. Aoba47 (talk) 05:19, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd add a part to the lead about the criticism against the show (i.e. Chilli's character description and the "ooga booga" incident. There is an entire paragraph devoted to criticism, but the lead only mentions the positive reviews for the show. Aoba47 (talk) 19:12, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is a tricky one, because the two incidents are unrelated, and the racial incident was centred around the ABC's response to the incident. I have tried to word it in the lead as follows; "The show has also been criticised for its shortcomings in regards to political correctness." - but I'm not sure if this sits right and is truly representative of the show.
  • I agree that it is a tricky one. I am not sure it is political correctness per se. Hopefully, other editors will provide commentary for this. Aoba47 (talk) 05:19, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed.
  • Remove the mother link in this part, Chilli's role as a mother is explored, since the word was first used in the first section for this part, the Red Heeler mother of Bluey and Bingo who works part-time. Also, does mother need to be linked as I think that is a pretty universally understood concept?
  • True, removed. This was done because "fatherhood" was also linked - should I removed that?.
  • That makes sense to me. I do not have an issue with "mother" being linked for that reason. Aoba47 (talk) 05:19, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • For this part, The animation of architecture in the, should the prose specify that it is Australian architecture to avoid an impression that the link would lead to a more general architecture article? I know the word Australian is said a lot in this section, but I think the way the link is currently constructed could border on Wikipedia:Easter egg.
  • Done. Yes, Australia is mentioned a lot in the section, but I agree that link's accuracy comes first. I think mentioning Australia too much is unfortunately unavoidable in that paragraph.
  • Thank you for addressing this. I do not think it is repeated to the point that it detracts from the prose so you are good. Aoba47 (talk) 05:19, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Definitely. Done.
  • Fixed. Thanks for picking up.
  • Removed.
  • Shouldn't this note, Bluey was tied with Animal Kingdom (Porchlight Films)., have a citation? And is it necessary to specify the production company (i.e. Porchlight Films) as that does not seem particularly needed? Aoba47 (talk) 19:44, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added citation and removed production company.
  • @Aoba47: Thanks again for the great comments, looking forward to your reply.SatDis (talk) 05:14, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for addressing everything. I am still uncertain about the political correctness part. I will think about it further, and hopefully other editors will have something to say. I will read through the article again over the week. It is in really good shape so I am close to supporting it. I just wanted to fit in time for one more read-through so I can insure I did not miss anything. Hope you are having a good end to your week! Aoba47 (talk) 05:19, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have a question about this part, but was delayed due to restrictions relating to the COVID-19 pandemic. The following source (1) mentions Bluey's Big Play is scheduled for 18 June – 11 July 2021. I would say that it is worthwhile to add a source to mention that the stage show was delay until 2021. Aoba47 (talk) 11:59, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Aoba47: Thanks for that. I have updated with the most relevant dates - hopefully more information will become available soon as the announcements are only just being made. SatDis (talk) 12:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for your patience with the review. I support this nomination for promotion based on the prose. I hope you are having a great start to your week! Aoba47 (talk) 16:56, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Aoba47: Thank you so much for the review and support. FYI, I have changed "political corectness" (as it often has negative connotations) to "inclusive language" and said "minor shortcomings". It sounds a little better to me. SatDis (talk) 21:53, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am just glad I could help. That seems better to me. Aoba47 (talk) 02:59, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Heartfox edit

  • avoid use of small font in infobox per MOS:SMALLFONT. "animation", "(BBC)", etc.
  • TV series title cards don't usually have a caption, but I guess it's okay to keep.
  • the first paragraph in the lead uses "series" in 3 consecutive sentences; suggest use of "show", "program(me)", etc. or even "it" to vary
  • With the setting inspired not sure why "with" is needed in this sentence.
  • at the world of the world?
  • with each character representing a different dog breed this is an overarching theme? sentence read weird
  • The series was created and produced entirely in Australia we know it was produced in Australia by the fourth word of the article
  • in Australia, being recognised as the most watched program in the history of the video on demand and catch up TV service ABC iview this feels excessive/like puffery. is being the most watched program on one service really lead-worthy? just say it's also popular on VOD
  • The program's production company has developed merchandise and managed the production of a stage show based on the series "The show has influenced the development of merchandise and a stage show", for example
  • Bluey won a Logie Award for Most Outstanding Children's Program in 2019, in addition to an AACTA Award, two awards from Screen Producers Australia, and an International Emmy Kids Award. I feel like this is unnecessarily wordy. maybe include 1 or 2 awards and a summary of critical review instead of 6 awards
  • Bluey was renewed for a second series in 2019, which premiered on 17 March 2020, and was renewed for a third series in October 2020. only the third season renewal is necessary
  • Have reworked a large part of the lead to address the above suggestions. Have varied the use of "series", removed extra "with" and shuffled some pieces of information for better ease of reading. I have also replaced the long string of awards with a summary of critical reception.
  • "Notable guest stars" heading can just be "notable guests"; stars is already implicit as it is the characters section
  • "Conception and creation" these words feel too similar
  • The production received funding from Screen Australia, with the setting of the series drawing upon the unique semi-tropical Queensland climate. the second half of the sentence doesn't really relate to the first
  • Have added "and Screen Queensland", this helps it to relate to the second half.
  • the unique tone that they were searching for what tone were they looking for?
  • The studio has been physically described as an open plan space with an industrial appeal irrelevant
  • writer's script writers' scripts
  • I would usually agree, but each episode only has one writer, and most episodes are credited to just Brumm.
  • worked for four weeks by animators; including background artists, designers and layout teams worked on for four weeks by animators, background artists, designers, and layout teams
  • Fifteen episodes were delivered to commissioners during the lockdown period, including the 100th episode. I don't see this as necessary
  • ; including David Barber comma, not semi-colon
  • It was reported that Bush was developing a music album for Bluey in July 2019 any update? it's been more than one year
  • Have added an update.
  • The series explores themes such as the influence of a supportive family, with the relationships between Bluey, Bingo, Bandit and Chilli a central focus of the episodes A central theme is the influence of a supportive family; this is reflected in the relationships between Bluey, Bingo, Bandit and Chilli.
  • The series depicts the realities of modern day fatherhood according to who?
  • I have added an attribution here..
  • Characters are shown looking for lost toys and visiting the dump.[3] The extended family and friends of the characters are also sporadically featured; including grandparents and neighbours.[1][3][26] these don't feel like themes
  • The locations of the series are based on real places in Brisbane, including parks and shopping centres I feel like this is already stated in the storyboard section
  • You are correct on both two points above; have removed both.
  • link "verandas"
  • The characters are seen to explore the nature of Australia, such as the creek. does "the creek" have any significance? elaborate
  • Australian weather is explored in the episode "The Pool", in which the characters visit a backyard swimming pool on a summer day. When I think of Australia I don't think of swimming pools. This doesn't feel necessary/maybe reword
  • Have combined above two points to read; "Several episodes detail the exploration of Australia's climate and nature."
  • the economy and personal finance this contradicts everything. I was told it was just about play
  • You're right. I have moved this a paragraph earlier to carry on from how the characters learn about the world through gameplay; "The characters also learn lessons such as the influence of technology, the economy and personal finance through their gameplay"
  • combine episode paragraphs into one
Stopping there for now. The lead needs work and I feel there is an unnecessary use of "with" a lot. I look forward to others' comments and supporting in the near future. Heartfox (talk) 21:41, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Heartfox: I have addressed all of your suggestions above. I have found them very helpful. Please let me know if further updates are needed, as I am more than happy to continue making changes. Thank you for taking the time to read the article and I look forward to further comments and support. SatDis (talk) 12:27, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The program was created and produced in Queensland, with investment from Screen Australia and Screen Queensland; the setting of the show is also inspired by the city of Brisbane. suggest removal of "with investment from Screen Australia and Screen Queensland" part; I don't think many readers would find that important in a lead
  • Done.
  • Bluey has received consistently high viewership in Australia, on broadcast television as well as video on demand and catch up TV services Bluey has received consistently high viewership in Australia on both broadcast television and video on demand services. "Catch up TV" currently redircts to VOD
  • Done.
  • in addition to an as well as an
  • Done.
  • It has been praised for being a modern depiction of everyday family life, for its constructive parenting messages, and depiction of Bandit as a positive father figure. It has been praised by television critics for depicting a modern everyday family life, constructive parenting messages, and the role of Bandit as a positive father figure.
  • Done.
  • ; a Christmas special I think this is okay as a comma
  • Done.
  • , in all comma unecessary
  • Done.
  • and was followed by a debut in the United Kingdom on 28 October 2019. not in source
  • Removed.
  • I think the broadcast section needs a bit of reorganization; it didn't have a clear flow to me
  • Done. This has included removing some sentences.
  • beginning in December 2018, through in December 2018 through
  • Done.
  • These volumes peaked on the iTunes children's chart in Australia. single-retailer charts like itunes aren't usually given in articles (e.g. WP:SINGLEVENDOR). also "ituneschart.net" doesn't appear to be reliable
  • Removed.
  • ref 48 is a press release. you could do {{cite press release
  • Done.
  • , with producers stating that the studio has received daily fan mail from parents of young viewers. everything gets fan mail; not really notable
  • Removed.
  • while noting that its Queensland background set it apart from other cartoons on television. this is her opinion; avoid "note" unless a fact (WP:SAID)
  • Replaced.
  • The series was called "laugh-out-loud funny" by Stephanie Convery of The Guardian. why?
  • Have expanded.
  • Fixed.
  • , which appeared in its monthly TV Week Close Up publication irrelevant
  • Removed.
  • the magazine said the character of Bluey stole Australia's hearts faster put this in a quote; it doesn't sound very professional
  • Fixed.
  • isted at #14 ditto
  • Fixed.
  • , and comma unnecessary
  • Removed.
  • Brumm stated that the series has reminded fathers "to be more playful with their kids" don't include people with COI in critical reviews
  • Removed.
  • However, the morals of the episodes are not viewed to be excessively sentimental. I'm confused
  • Removed.
  • Convery noted ditto
  • Fixed.
  • I would focus on reviews for the series as a whole, not specific episodes (it could go in an episode or series article). maybe remove paragarph 3 of critical reception section
  • Removed.
  • throughout its premiere run I'm not familiar with "premiere run" - maybe not necessary in the sentence
  • Removed.
  • all free-to-air multichannels what are these? provide a link
  • Linked, explained in linked paragraph as list not available.
  • the hairdresses and sleepytime sentences could be cut
  • Removed.
  • In the United States, the highest rating broadcast not in source
  • Have removed that claim which is unverifiable. Please let me know if the whole statement should now be removed.
  • It was reported that the series had reached 16 million viewers in the United States be careful about including figures from companies/networks themselves. In the United States there's a bunch of different metrics and this is just the highest they could release to the media. It's the sum of all that quarter's episodes' 7-day viewership lol... It's not really that important or what ad rates are determined by. Could paraphrase as "also popular in the United States" or similar
  • Understood, best if removed.
  • The Australian and Books+Publishing and The Daily Telegraph references appear to be url-access=subscription
  • Have added subscription tag.
  • revealing plans reword
  • Reworded.
  • Done.

Additional comments above. Heartfox (talk) 18:36, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is quite a bit of comments and some call for significant alterations. There are also a few other issues I see (e.g., more images/media could be added, lack of archive dates for majority of refs, refs 7 and 11 appear to be from self-published source, etc.). Therefore I have to oppose at the moment as this needs a lot more polishing. Heartfox (talk) 03:14, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Heartfox: Thank you sincerely for your comments, but hang on. I have addressed all of your concerns above, on both occasions, and I find them to be mainly small fixes. I have found your feedback immensely helpful. I appreciate that there are a lot of suggestions, but I am more than capable of fixing any more issues before you oppose, as other editors have been pleased with this article. I would hate for this nomination to close too early when I am putting in the work. For example, could you please direct me to these significant alterations that need to be made? SatDis (talk) 12:09, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For example, ref 7 and 11 were only included because these actors were unreferenced on the page. This is the only site that lists the voice actors; would you recommend completely removing the mention of the voice actors on the page? And I have archivedates for archive-urls, and published dates of articles where available, could you clarify? Thanks. SatDis (talk) 13:16, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@SatDis: okay I will strike my oppose for now. Are the voice actors listed in the credits of an episode? I think you can {{cite av media}} if they are. For the archive urls, it's good practice to do so even when the link isn't dead so there's still a link in case something happens. As FAs are supposed to set examples of how to do things in other articles, I would expect the urls to be archived. I look forward to others' comments :) Heartfox (talk) 15:42, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Heartfox: I have swapped those references to cite episode as the voice actors are definitely listed in the credits. Thank you for pointing out the archiving references - I have just gone through all 103 references and added archive-urls, labelling the links as url-status=live. I want to thank you so much for reconsidering the oppose, and I have addressed those new concerns. Will you be leaving any further comments, since I believe I have now addressed all of your concerns? Happy to keep working if needed to. As for images, I did try to upload a storyboard but it didn't meet non-free requirements - I have been unable to find any other suitable images or media for the page.SatDis (talk) 12:59, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@SatDis: I'll re-read the article in a few days and hopefully add some more comments. In the meantime, ref 74 author last name is incorrect. Heartfox (talk) 07:06, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Heartfox: Thank you, the last name is now fixed. SatDis (talk) 07:30, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@SatDis: you could also add author-link=Mitch Metcalf for ref 74. Heartfox (talk) 22:08, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Heartfox: Done. Thankyou. SatDis (talk) 22:41, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi @Heartfox:, just wondering where you are at with the review. Just wanted to indicate that the other five reviewers have supported the nomination. Thanks. SatDis (talk) 21:42, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@SatDis: Thanks for the reminder; I'll take a look in a couple hours. Heartfox (talk) 21:46, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

New comments:

  • The series made its premiere in the United States and the United Kingdom on Disney Junior the link is confusing as it links to U.S. Disney Junior
  • Have reorganised the sentence for the link to make more sense.
  • The program was created and produced in Queensland; the setting of the show is also inspired by the city of Brisbane. suggest rephrase to "The program was created and produced in Queensland; its capital inspires the show's setting."
  • Great suggestion, thanks.
  • parenting messages, and preceding sentences don't use a serial comma but this does?
  • Have removed the comma for consistency.
  • Fixed.
  • I don't think refs need to be repeated in consecutive sentences?
@SatDis: article looks great; much better than when I first commented. I feel parts of the paragraphs in the production sections could be arranged better, but that's just me. In the future, you may want to add a viewership table similar to this, and could review the refs and change some to {{cite press release}} if it's clear they are. Thank you for dedicating so much time to this article! It's great to have a high-quality piece on a popular series like this. I think that's it for me on comments. If you have some spare time, I do have a peer review open here that could use some eyes :) (even just some brief, basic comments/things that maybe are confusing would be really helpful). Thanks, Heartfox (talk) 08:40, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much @Heartfox:, that means a lot considering we pushed through an "oppose". I did actually have a viewership table initially, but it was removed along the way in a Good Article review. I could definitely look at it in the future. I have added {{cite press release}} for a couple of references and will continue looking. I'd be happy to have a look at your peer review within the next couple of days. Can I ask if you'll be supporting the nomination? :) SatDis (talk) 09:02, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Heartfox, I was wondering if your comments and queries had been satisfactorily addressed? Gog the Mild (talk) 22:48, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm still confused by the sentence "The series made its premiere on Disney Junior in the United States and the United Kingdom and was released internationally on Disney+" because Disney Junior only links to the American channel.
  • "In 2019, the series was the most watched through timeshifted program on Australian television" could be reworded. Heartfox (talk) 05:08, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Looks better, although the ref for the UK says it was released on just the Disney Channel, not Disney Junior. I don't know how accurate the source is. Heartfox (talk) 17:36, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Heartfox: I have removed "UK" from the lead because my sources don't support it, like you stated. I have left it as premiering on Disney Junior in the US (supported) and internationally on Disney+ (US and UK, supported). I have provided a more reliable source also. SatDis (talk) 21:41, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Heartfox: Is that satisfactory? SatDis (talk) 07:12, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@SatDis: the info in the article now reflects the source. Heartfox (talk) 22:24, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Heartfox: Does that address all comments and queries satisfactorily? SatDis (talk) 15:55, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@SatDis: Of the ones listed yes :) Heartfox (talk) 20:14, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Gog the Mild: See above. :) SatDis (talk) 22:52, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Allied45 edit

Due to time constraints (and given that several others have undertaken extensive reviews!), I have decided to focus on some things that stood out for me in the Reception section:

  • ...in 2020, 187 of the top 200 timeshifted programs were episodes of Bluey. This year is not complete yet, the source mentions the list is "so far" in 2020.
  • Thanks for picking that up. I have removed for now to avoid confusion, until final figures for 2020 are released.
  • In the United States, an episode of Bluey aired on 12 September 2019 received 483,000 viewers. Is there a significance to this broadcast? (i.e. is it the most-watched broadcast in the US?) Otherwise it may seem a bit random to include the ratings for a single broadcast here.
  • It is the most-watched broadcast, and I did state that previously, but it was pointed out to me that the source didn't specifically state this - i.e. it might be WP:ORIGINAL original research. Should I remove it?
I am not too fussed either way, it just reads a bit odd to me so I would probably remove it in the absence of a solid citation. Allied45 (talk) 09:51, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Awards and nominations table may need to be updated to satisfy accessibility requirements outlined in MOS:DTAB (particularly adding a caption and scope of row headers)
  • I have updated the table with the new proforma - hopefully this is correct? I feel it looks a lot better.
I am of the understanding the rows should only have one header (like the top of the table does!). I have formatted the table for you in line with this :) Allied45 (talk) 09:51, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is all I picked up from a quick review, good work! Allied45 (talk) 06:25, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Allied45: Thankyou very much for the comment, a short review is still very much appreciated! Have addressed all of the above. SatDis (talk) 07:11, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@SatDis: No worries! Responses are above. Allied45 (talk) 09:51, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Allied45: Ah, I understand. Thanks for formatting the table. I have also removed the viewership line in the absence of a proper source. All issues have now been addressed. Thanks again, hopefully you will lend your support to the nomination. SatDis (talk) 10:01, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am happy to support this nomination, great work! Allied45 (talk) 05:36, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

FA coordinators edit

@FAC coordinators: would you be able to let me know the progress of this FAC? I've had a significant amount of support and would like to know what I should be doing next - for example, a source review? Thanks in advance. SatDis (talk) 13:12, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - Pass edit

Doing now Aza24 (talk) 08:30, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • You need to be consistent about linking publishers/works. They should either all be linked or none of them. I've seen it before where they're only linked for their first mention, but that approach is usually rather tedious (even if you choose to go that route, the current linking isn't representative of that). For example ABC News in refs 4, 21 & 95 for to ABC News (Australia), Schwartz Publishing (ref 5), ABC Kids (Australia) (refs 7–9, 11 & 14) etc.
  • My strategy is to link the first mention. I have fixed these examples to adhere to this rule. I have removed a lot of duplicate links.
  • Fair enough, looks ok now
  • I believe Roger Palmer is the author for ref 48
  • Done.
  • You have "(Press release)" for ref 50, isn't refs 53 & 54 press releases as well?
  • Done.
  • Generally we try to not cite from stores/shops and I'm not sure that refs 55–61 are even needed? they seem to already have refs there and don't appear to provide much except hint at WP:OVERCITE
  • Have removed shop references and reworded to suit verifiability.
  • I don't understand what ref 65 is, a web source? (needs link if so) – a book? (needs ISBN if so)
  • Have changed to cite magazine - was previously added by another editor.
  • link for ref 93 is broken
  • Reliability looks fine overall
  • This is the first I've seen of "cite episode" – but I don't see anything wrong with it. I wonder if you could add a "|season= " parameter to offer a little more verification guidance.
  • Sure, done.
  • Spotchecks below
Spotchecks - Pass edit

Doing now Aza24 (talk) 09:15, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Checked 15, 25 (a & c), 34 (b & c), 68 (a & b), 74 (a & b), 102 are good
  • 25b, I don't see him say that the humor relies of physical activity and craziness, merely that there is a lot of physical activity and craziness, consider rephrasing
  • I have rephrased slightly, but the source does state - "It’s boisterous kids’ humour,” says Brumm. “There’s lots of physical activity and craziness"
  • ref 34a does not support "such as Bluey's distress after the death of a bird in the episode "Copycat""
  • I believe it does, direct quote: Bandit and Chilli are master emotion coaches. Whether it is Bluey’s sorrow at the death of a bird or her frustration while trying to learn to ride a bike, they listen, validate and explore their children’s emotional worlds through conversation or play. The only thing it doesn't support is the episode title, which I have removed.
  • Yeah the episode title is what confused me, the change looks good.
  • You may want to a subscription marker to ref 5, like you did for daily telegraph
  • Done.
  • @Aza24: Thank you, I have addressed issues and commented above. SatDis (talk) 11:26, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Everything is fine now except ref 86 ("Bluey Toys Available This November"). I sympathize with the fact that the link works where you but not where I am, however I suspect this probably means that it works in Australia but not elsewhere. As such it is effectively unsourced and I hate to stall this nomination but I should be replaced before I can pass the source review. Aza24 (talk) 01:09, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Aza24: I have replaced the link. Hopefully you can support the nomination. Thanks for your time. SatDis (talk) 02:00, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks great, thanks for your efforts here! Pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 02:07, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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