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The article was not promoted 18:03, 4 April 2008.

Armenian Genocide edit

I'm nominating this article for featured article because it should featured on the 24th April on the main page... Self-nominator, contributor --xeryus (talk) 13:17, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There is a {{citation needed}} tag in the article. Please add a reference for that. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not love)} 17:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Citations should be formatted consistently and there are several dead links:

--Kakofonous (talk) 18:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
- I agree that the citations need to be consistently formatted. Example - current ref 2, where the title of the journal article is both inside quotation marks and italicized, when the title of the journal should be italicized.
- Also need consistency in titles.
- Web sites need last access dates as well as publication dates.
- Also you sometimes give a full citation for the first usage of a book in the references, but sometimes don't (Example of the last is the first ref to Dadrian at current ref 32 which is later formatted differently at current ref 36)
- http://www.pbs.org/greatwar/chapters/ch2_voices2.html lacks publisher information and last access date
- Some of the quotations in the footnotes are italicized. They should be in quotation marks per WP:MOS#Other matters
- http://net.lib.byu.edu/~rdh7/wwi/comment/morgenthau/Morgen27.htm is an online quotation from a published book and should be formatted like a book, I would think. At the least it needs publisher and last accessed date.
- http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/Armenian/facts/genocide.html is a dead link
- Same for http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NA.BK5.PDF
- Current ref 53 refers to Ferguson War of the World p. 177, but I can't see that author listed in the Bibliography.
- Current ref 73 is Ibid, which we don't use because it is hard to maintain them in the proper place.
- http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9800EEDD1238E633A25750C2A9649C946496D6CF lacks publisher information and last access date
- current ref 81 (Turkey By Klaus_Detlev. Grothusen) makes no sense at all to me.
- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6043730.stm (current ref 82) lacks publisher and last access date
- http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=cd6618e1-508d-4d27-a607-18e10e743d28 (current ref 83) lacks publisher and last access date
- http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9117457/Armenian-massacres (current ref 84) is a bare link. Needs fuller citation
- http://www.armeniaforeignministry.com/conference/yahuda_bauer.pdf (current ref 92) lacks full citation information
- http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=International_Center_for_Transitional_Justice is a wiki, and not a reliable source (current ref 96)
- Current ref 106 (Lewy, Guenter, The Armenian Massacres in Ottoman Turkey) is lacking full citation information, including page number.
- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/Europe/4527318.stm (current ref 108) is a dead link and is lacking full citation information
- http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/08/congress_must_recognize_the_ar_1.html (current ref 113) is lacking publisher and last access date. Also what makes this a reliable source for what it is citing (that the scholar Bat Ye'or says the Armenian genocide was a jihad)
- Current ref 114 (Ye'or, Bat Islam and Dhimmitude p. 374) is lacking full publication information
- Same for current ref 115 (El-Ghusein) and ref 116 (Chomsky)
- Current ref 118 is dead linked http://www.turkses.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=521&Itemid=33
- Current refs 119 (http://www.ataa.org/reference/question_tashan.html), 120 (http://www.anarmenianmyth.com/massacred_turks.htm), 121 (http://www.turkishembassy.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=64&Itemid=257), 122 (http://www.tbmm.gov.tr/yayinlar/yayin3/atrocity.htm), 123 (http://www.tsk.mil.tr//eng/uluslararasi/armenianissue.htm) and 124 (http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,353274,00.html) are lacking publisher and last access date information
- Current refs 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 132, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138 are lacking last access dates
- http://hgs.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/9/1/1 (current ref 133) is lacking full citation information
- Same for http://hgs.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/8/3/395 (current ref 140)
- http://www.aktion-patenschaften.de/autoren/w02.htm (current ref 141) is lacking publisher information and last access date. Also what makes this a reliable source? I can't read the German, but it looks like it's about book burning in 1933?
It has a short biography on this site where it is mentioned that the author(a communist resistance fighter during Nazi Germany) of several books was witness of the Armenian Genocide. I don't judge this a reliable source. Wandalstouring (talk) 14:57, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Current ref 142 (Auron Yair The Banality of Indifference.. is lacking publisher information
- http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1248/is_n2_v84/ai_18004719 (current ref 144) is lacking publisher and last access date information
- What makes http://www.azad-hye.net/article/article_view.asp?rec=84 a reliable source?
- http://www.diamandagalas.com/defixiones/ (current ref 148) doesn't look like it's published by the San Francisco Chronicle to me... (It hung my browser so I couldn't dig that far into the site)

All other links checked out fine with the tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 20:43, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Is "Armenian Genocide" a proper noun, or should the second word of the title be uncapitalized, i.e. "Armenian genocide"? The article is inconsistent in how the word "genocide" is capitalized. The U.S. Library of Congress Subject Heading appears to list it as a non-proper noun, "Armenian genocide", but with a redirect to the more neutral heading "Armenian massacres". When searching for the term "Armenian Genocide" in my local (Ohio) university library catalogue, this message appears: "'Armenian Genocide, 1915-1923' is not used in this library's catalog; 'Armenian massacres, 1915-1923' is used instead." This suggests that this article's title is not NPOV according to the Library of Congress. What is effectively the first major assertion of the article—that "Armenian Genocide" is a proper noun—is undocumented in the article itself, since none of the quoted material appears to use it as such. This usage should be documented (easy enough if it really is a proper noun) or the article title should be changed. —Kevin Myers 02:04, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: How did you get this past the Turkish editors and without a NPOV tag? Wandalstouring (talk) 14:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Object the refs need to be consistently formatted. Some places have "Page", others have "p" some have dots and some do not. Also, a lot of refs are not filled in fully, and also, "ibid" should not be used here on wiki, because when people wedge a new ref in betweem, it causes havoc. Blnguyen (vote in the photo straw poll) 07:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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