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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 30 September 2021 [1].

2015 FA Cup Final edit

Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:05, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the 2015 edition of the oldest football competition in the world. This one, quite an open affair with the Gooners knocking four past the Villains. I look forward to working on all constructive and actionable reviews, and thanks in advance for your time. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:05, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Amakuru edit

Lead
  • "it was the 134th final of the Football Association Challenge Cup (FA Cup)" - this doesn't appear in the body, and is not cited
  • "the showpiece match of English football's primary cup competition" - ditto, and feels slightly POV too. "Showpiece" and "primary" according to whom?
  • For the lead to be complete, there should be some sort of nod towards the "Route to the final" section, for example by mentioning the beaten semi-finalists or whatever.
  • "Following a change in UEFA rules, Arsenal had already qualified for the Champions League by finishing third in the Premier League" - needs a bit of logical reordering here; the change in rules didn't affect Arsenal's qualification, as implied here, it only affected whether Villa would qualify or not.
I've done a bit of reorganising, in line with other similar FA Cup Final FAs, and hopefully I've captured all your concerns in the expanded lead and new Background section? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:47, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Route to the final
  • "FA Cup holders Arsenal" - a bit of context is needed here, since this is the opening spiel of the article, after the lead. What is the FA Cup? And link to FA Cup somewhere, along with the 2014–15 FA Cup article.
Added a Background section, hopefully addressing this? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "third round" then "Fourth Round" then "fifth round" - consistency needed (almost certainly lowercase).
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Theo Walcott opened the scoring after less than two minutes from a Calum Chambers cross before Mesut Özil made it 2–0 midway through the first half" - the uninitiated won't be sure which team this refers to
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "75th minute goal" - 75th-minute?
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "space of three first-half minutes, and after a goalless second half, Arsenal" - I think the comma should maybe be after "and" rather than after "minutes", since "after a goalless second half" looks like a subordinate clause or whatever those things are called.
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Arsenal progressed to the fifth round. There, Arsenal were drawn" - repetition of Arsenal. The term appears seven times in this paragraph, which is understandable since it's about them, but still something to keep an eye on; sometimes "they" will do instead.
Done. It's hard, and if you can improve it further, please go for it....! The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in a match scheduled to be televised on BBC One on a Monday evening" - this sort of implies that it didn't actually go ahead on the Monday; could rephrase to simply say that it did take place on that day
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "they claimed there would be no trains back" - MOS:CLAIM
Suggested? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "made the trip to" - a bit journalese
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "a Ángel Di María cross" - should be "an Ángel..."
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Former United player Danny Welbeck" - "Manchester United"
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "round David de Gea" - this use of "round" as a verb may be obscure for people not familiar with football; consider rewording slightly
Done, I think? It wasn't a verb, FWIW, that would have been "rounded"... The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "six minutes before half-time before Reading's Garath McCleary equalised with a volley nine minutes after the interval" - before, before, after
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the match ended 2–1 to reach the FA Cup Final" - Arsenal reached the final, not the match
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "scored Aston Villa's second in the 89th minute after it was fumbled" - after what was fumbled?
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "second yellow card, Sinclair doubled Aston Villa's lead" - I think "and" might work better than a comma here

"::Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • "the Liveprool goalkeeper" - typo

"::Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Delph then gave Aston Villa the lead 11 minutes into the second half to give his side" - repetition of "gave" and "give"

"::Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • "since 2000". Could include "since" in the link, to avoid EGG issues.
Hmm. I've done it but I don't like it... The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Background
  • "a record 19th FA Cup final" - link to List of FA Cup Finals, unless you plan to mention the fact that it's the 134th final first (that fact appears in the lead but not in the body)
Linked in "new" b/g section. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "a joint record with United" - Manchester United
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "11th final, of which they had won seven" - MOS:NUM (and we also said that Arsenal had won "11" earlier)
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "based on the one which" - slightly colloquial sounding language
Adjusted. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
First half
  • "In the eighth minute" ... "13th minute" - MOS:NUM
Interesting. This is the "comparable" figures one. The MOS doesn't give guidance (as far as I recall) on the scope of that limit, i.e. is it in a single sentence? A single paragraph? A single section? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "13th minute cross" - hyphenate
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "first player to be booked" - some sort of link would be useful
Linked to gloss. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "6 yards (5.5 m)" - overprecise
Made under-precise. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In the 38th minute, Delph was then booked" - probably don't need "then"
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Second half
  • "Alexis Sánchez then headed the ball into the Aston Villa goal but it was disallowed by the referee for offside. Cazorla's 57th minute low shot was then saved" - repetition of "then" in quite close succession
Got rid of the second one which is time-tagged anyway. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Aston Villa player was then booked for his protests. Bellerin then tackled..." - ditto
Used a different word. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "to make it 4–0 to Arsenal, the final score, to win their 12th FA Cup" - awkward wording. Could split the part about the 12th FA Cup into a separate sentence
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Post-match
  • "Wenger himself said" - not sure if we need "himself" here
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "BT Sport" - link
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's about it. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 08:31, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amakuru thanks, as ever. I'll get to these today. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 07:22, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Amakuru I think I've done them pretty much all bar the MOSNUM "comparable" issue which I've remarked upon above. Cheers! The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nice one, looks good to me. Happy to support.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Giants2008 edit

Quick comments – In addition to seeing some of the items mentioned by Amakuru, I found these couple of extra points:

  • Route to the final: "The second period of extra time was goalless and the match ended 2–1 to reach the FA Cup Final for the second consecutive year." To avoid awkwardness, this should say that Arsenal reached the FA Cup Final, instead of whatever this currently implies.
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:09, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Second half: "flicked the ball into the Aston Villa" sorely needs "net" afterwards. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:31, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Added "goal". The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:09, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Giants2008 thanks for your comments. I'll get to them later on today. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 07:22, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Giants2008 I think I've addressed your concerns. Thanks once again for your comments here, much appreciated. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:09, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review—pass edit

Image licensing looks good (t · c) buidhe 13:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from ChrisTheDude edit

ChrisTheDude thanks, let me know if I missed anything? Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:57, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Kosack edit

Sorry about the lateness, been a bit under the weather this week. Here's what I've got, nothing major. Kosack (talk) 12:05, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kosack no apologies needed at all. Thanks for your comments, I've addressed them all I think, much appreciated. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:33, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Happy to support. Kosack (talk) 12:29, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review by Grapple X - pass edit

  • Passed on sources. 12:52, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
  • There's an sfn citation (ref 3) pointing to a source that isn't present (O'Leary 2017). Can we get that added?
    Fixed. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 12:13, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not a fault per se but it seems like almost all of the web sources are archived; are the missing ones an oversight or just unlikely to change? Ref 1 for example—retrieved the day it was published—isn't archived but cited a few times.
    I just go for whatever IABot can add in, I've just run it again and it added nothing new. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 12:13, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Consistent mis-spelling of The Grauniad
    Done The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 12:13, 23 September 2021 (UTC) [reply]
  • Refs 26 and 35 are the same page; presumably retrieved at two different times as the story was reported but now just pick one and use it twice
    Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 12:13, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's all I'm seeing for now; I presume we can dispense with the spot-check here but I'll carry one out if requested. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 11:58, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Grapple X all done I think. Let me know if there's anything more I can do. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 12:13, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That looks fine. I assume the bot just finds already-archived versions of web links? It's possible to create new archived versions if you want but certainly not obligatory. The missing reference and the redundant cite being culled look good though. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 12:20, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, if you wouldn't mind explicitly marking the review as passed, that would make life easier for me and for the co-ords. Cheers again for your time. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 12:38, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: now this has the customary minimum to allow me to request the chance to nominate one more solo nom, could I be allowed to do that please? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:15, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Go for it. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 16:12, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi TRM, I can see the players' names and numbers in the Report source but not their positions and nations -- did I miss something? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:11, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ian Rose added. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:18, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Tks TRM. Incidentally given no other Sanchez is mentioned in the lead I don't see a risk to not using the chap's full name the second time there but we won't split hairs... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:32, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Z1720 edit

Non-expert prose review.

  • For the route to the final tables, I suggest adding Template:abbr for SF, as it took me a while to understand that it meant semi-final.
    Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 06:47, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is the broadcasting paragraph placed in the post-match section? Seems like a weird spot, since it is talking about what happened before and during the match (all-day programming, match ratings, etc.) Perhaps it should have its own section between Pre-match and summary?
    I don't think so. It covers the broadcast that happened of the event as a whole, and would be odd on its own micro-section, and covers things that weren't determined until some time after the conclusion of the event, so post-match seems the most appropriate location for it. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 06:47, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The citation for referee in the infobox is not needed, as it is cited in the article body per WP:INFOBOXREF.
    Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 06:47, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The weather is in the infobox, but it is not mentioned in the article body. It should be added somewhere, perhaps under details.
    Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 06:47, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No other comments. It is a well-written article. Z1720 (talk) 00:29, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Z1720 thanks for your comments, I've addressed and/or responded to them above. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 06:47, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My concerns have been addressed. I support. Z1720 (talk) 20:09, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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