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Solar system edit

The Solar System is a gravitationally bound system consisting of the Sun and the celestial bodies that orbit it. After the Sun, the largets objects in the Solar system are the eight planets, consiting of the four gas and ice giants as well as the four terrestrial planets. Many of the planets and larger dwarf planets in the Solar System also have moons of their own. The sun is orbited by several belts of small Solar System bodies: the asteroid belt between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter, the Kuiper belt just beyond the orbit of Neptune, and possibly the Oort cloud in the outer reaches of the Solar System. The entire system was formed roughly 4.6 billion years ago from the remnants of the Sun's molecular cloud, and the hydrogen and helium that was present in this cloud constitutes much of the Solar System's mass.

Solar System

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Jupiter

Formation and evolution

Contributor(s): Mover of molehills, Praemonitus, too many others to count!

I just finished a lengthy review for Jupiter, which was the last Solar system-related article that was not FA. I think that the Wikipedia community has done a great job getting so many of these articles to featured status. --Mover of molehills (talk) 18:51, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comments~~: In case this isn't clear, the Solar System is a Former Featured Topic, and this nomination is leaving out a number of articles that were in the topic's previous incarnation. Probably those should be included in this re-nomination? Jupiter is also itself a Former Featured Topic that should be able to be renominated now that the main article is back to GA. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 19:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Indeed, this nomination should presumably be a renomination of Wikipedia:Featured topics/Solar System. Mover of molehills, are you genuinely proposing a new scope for this topic, or were you unaware of the former topic, Wikipedia:Featured topics/Solar System? Aza24 (talk) 23:30, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  @Aza24: I was unaware, sorry. Should we move it over? Mover of molehills (talk) 00:36, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - So, this nomination is still leaving out Scattered disc, Dwarf planet, and Formation and evolution of the Solar System. The last one, at least, I can't see not having in this topic. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 13:37, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I've put in the first and third articles. I don't see why Dwarf planet should be in there because we have not included Planet - I envisioned this category as more of a list of specific objects and entities in the Solar System, not a glossary of terms. Mover of molehills (talk) 15:36, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - I guess I can support this proposal now, though the scope seems a bit arbitrary. Good work to all who improved the articles! -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 18:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Query: why is Pluto there? If dwarf planets are to be included the topic is missing quite a few. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:04, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I just added the extra dwarf planets found in the original FT nomination to round the proposal out! Mover of molehills (talk) 20:32, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Haumea and Makemake are excluded while Ceres and Eris are included because ... ? Gog the Mild (talk) 20:40, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps because of the extensive scientific study the later objects have undergone? Notability isn't necessarily about size, although it helps. Praemonitus (talk) 21:15, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I chose to include some of the most well-known dwarf planets - obviously, there is no way that we can include every interesting article in the Solar System within this topic. However, I'd be happy to include Haumea and/or Makemake if there is widespread consensus for it, considering that these are both featured articles. Mover of molehills (talk) 21:22, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Before we go for consensus, let's check the facts. None of the four are nailed on as DPs, although Ceres is getting pretty close. It was a genuine question as to where and why you are drawing the line. And I would be interested whether the scholarly consensus agrees with whatever you suggest. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:27, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean by "None of the four are nailed on as DPs" - as far as I can tell, all of them have been officially designated as such by the IAU. To be honest, it doesn't matter very much to me which ones are designated as part of this topic, considering that all of the articles we are discussing are FAs. I suppose it seems reasonable to list the five bodies officially recognized as dwarf planets (Pluto, Eris, Ceres, Makemake and Haumea) and ignore all of the rest. Does that seem like a good idea? Mover of molehills (talk) 23:15, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The last I heard, Makemake and Haumea were provisional DPs for naming purposes only. Their full DP status was undecided. It is possible that my information is not up to date. Apologies if I am either not being clear and/or am coming across as awkward, but what are the criteria for inclusion in the topic? So it can be updated if new objects meeting them are recognised (eg 10 Hygiea, 704 Interamnia, Sedna, Gonggong, Quaoar, Orcus, or Salacia) - by whatever body or consensus you lay out in those criteria - or, possibly, de-recognised (eg if Eris turned out on closer examination not to be in hydrostatic equilibrium). Such as, if my information is still accurate, Makemake or Haumea once the IAU finally decide their status. (Assuming that you go with IAU recognition.) Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 00:27, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

From what I have read, there are only 5 at the mooment that have been officially recognized by the IAU. I have now added all of them to the topic. My idea for what should be part of the "Solar system" topic was the Sun, all planets, all officially recognized dwarf planets, and the three major belts of small Solar System bodies. It may be that there will be an unwieldy number of dwarf planets recognized in coming years, so we should just leave them out entirely - I just feel uncomfortable excluding Pluto, since it's such a cultural icon.

For now, I have included Makemake and Haumea in the topic. Let me know what you think of this. Mover of molehills (talk) 01:45, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. "... and dwarf planets recognised as such by the IAU, including provisionally and/or for naming purposes" would seem to complete a sensible set. It may be worth adding this clause to the opening description.

Support. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:33, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Fantastic topic, great work. NapHit (talk) 15:11, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support after carefully reading the comments. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:21, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support: I assume the old Jupiter featured topic will be back up for renomination soon? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:54, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My one hesitation is that Jupiter in fiction is not good or featured, and it seems like a relevant part of the topic. After this one gets promoted, I think that the FT as a whole can go through. Mover of molehills (talk) 14:28, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Closed with a consensus to promote back to Featured Topic –Bryan Rutherford (talk) 14:38, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]