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Goddess Relief Office ( Cat ^chi? ) 13:47, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Non-free use disputed for Image:Omg_v29.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Omg_v29.jpg. Unfortunately, I think that you have not provided a proper rationale for using this image under "fair use". Please read the instructions at Wikipedia:Non-free content carefully, then go to the image description page and clarify why you think the image qualifies for fair use. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page. Note that the image description page must include the exact name of every article the image is used in and a separate rationale for each.

If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted after seven days according to our Criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Rettetast 18:50, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

It does not fail section 8 as the image is signifcant to the article. Without it the reader can not confirm the identity of the title in question easily. --Zeal Vurte (talk) 10:04, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

OMG Manga Covers - Fair Use Disputes

I don't know if you want to step in at all, but as you saw i said elsewhere, if i have to put up this hipocritcal stupidity i won't be sticking around here. You can see more cases in my contribution's list. --Zeal Vurte (talk) 10:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, do stick around! Allow me to explain whats going on and why is it going on.

Although I do not know the exact details of the issue you are dealing with, I want to explain a painfully stupid thing. Companies that sell manga are commercial institutions and are very protective of their copyrighted works. There were confrontations between wikipedia and such copyright holders in the past and these had been the basis of some procedures. Had you put the images to a smaller site, such as a fansite, the copyright holders would not have the resources or energy to "deal" with it. But when the images are at a visible 'big' site such as wikipedia, people do complain. And these complaints are often more than a bunch of non-binding angry letters. Copyrights are indeed annoying and are quite stupid and the world would be a better place without them, however they are there and we do need to abide by them per legal restrictions.

We could ask the Mangaka Kōsuke Fujishima to release the images with a free license and if he agrees these images could be used freely. But I have my doubts Fujishima would agree to it. After all he charges people money per each of these which is how he makes a living. But it may just work.

I really do value your work here. List of Oh My Goddess! manga chapters need improvement even without images. Please do not see this incident as a discouragement.

-- Cat ^chi? 17:54, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Guess i'll go with what is normal here and cross-post this, even though it's a silly and superfluoes process imo.

I understand the copyright issues, but the images are allowed under a fai-use license and i shouldn't have to counter every attempt of someone who doesn't understand that, to remove them. --Zeal Vurte (talk) 13:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Also to add to that, i'm leaving after seeing Rettetast's reply. Short stay huh? ;) Just as i expected really. See you on the forums and good luck with your plans for the episodes, you'll need it IMO. --Zeal Vurte (talk) 17:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, legally speaking you'd be right. These images can be used almost recklessly under a fair-use license. But the freeness of the encyclopedia would be an issue then. Images, especially non-free ones are a pain to deal with. This issue on fair use images has been an endless debate and I can go into further details if you like...

I'd really hope this wont discourage you (despite what you said). It isn't easy to write comprehensive encyclopedia and there has to be some standards. Upholding to those standards is of course much much more difficult than coming up with or enforcing the standards in question. I myself do not always agree with these overly restrictive guidelines and policies on non-free content.

I however spend most of my energy in creating or expanding articles either directly by editing or indirectly by seeking out interested parties. A series like OMG is far too large for a single person to cover. Your presence here would cheer up Bell-chan ;)

-- Cat ^chi? 05:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)