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Lot edit
I'm not sure what is going on with your recent ([1]) ([2]) edits to Lot (biblical person). After fault was found with the first edit and reverted back ([3]) to the status quo, you re-did it without correcting the attribution problem. I neglected to mention that your edit also eliminated one of the three items in the notability sentence in the first paragraph, which at one time had a fourth item ([4]) noting that Lot's wife became a pillar of salt, which I'm putting back in with my latest edit.
- That is probably fine. I'm confused by what you are changing, since I didn't change any wording, I just moved the last sentence from the first paragraph to the second paragraph, where it fit better with the context of the article. If there is a missing or erroneous attribution, you are welcome to fix it. Your issue with the word incest is completely besides any point or edits that I made.
I'm sorry for the confusion about the definition of incest. Your second edit summary defining incest is wrong: "The word 'incest' means sexual relations between family members." Look above the opening sentence of the incest article at the hatnote: "This article is about the variable social/legal/religious/cultural infraction of sexual relations with close kin." Before the law of Moses in the Bible, there is no mention of any social, legal, religious or cultural restrictions on sexual relations among near kin. We simply can't claim that Lot committed incest. His daughters seduced him. It sounds like Lot was the victim of sleep rape. Note that sexsomnia, a condition in which a person will engage in sexual activities while still asleep, can be triggered by excessive consumption of alcohol, and there is usually no memory afterwards of the event. "... he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose." (Genesis 19:33,35)
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- I don't understand what Moses has to do with any of this. If a dinosaur raped her father, it is still incest, regardless of what Biblical writings say about it, and regardless if it took place 100 million years before Moses, and regardless of any reasonings or mitigating circumstances. Moses did not create the English language, and even if he did, he has no authority on how we use words today. His opinions on what incest really means have absolutely no place on Wikipedia except in articles about Moses, and Mosaic definitions of sexual acts. The definition of incest is sexual unions between close relatives, and that is exactly what happened between Lot and his Daughters, according to the Jewish and Christian versions of the Bible.
- However, it's pretty important for Biblical context in later stories that Moab was a child of incest, as it gave moral weight to the desire of the ancient people who told these stories to kill their Moabite neighbors. The entire Old Testament is a web of stories about name calling and insults for the people whom the early Israelites hated and wanted to kill without violating God's commandments against killing (which date back to Noah). Yes, I agree, it's pretty awful that the story in the most popular Bibles makes sure to include a bit where Lot's daughters inexplicably rape their own father and give birth to children of incest, but Wikipedia is about capturing modern interpretations and words and stories and concepts, not limiting them according to some ancient laws, even if those laws are attributed to Moses.
- You are right in pointing out that Lot was also a victim of rape. Incest does not need to be consensual, and is in fact unfortunately a common additional factor in many cases of rape. The only thing really unusual about the end of Lot's story (beside the motivations of his daughters not being well established for such an offensive violation) is that women were the perpetrators of the rape.
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