User talk:Vernon39/Archive 2

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Paul Thornton

Hi, hope you are well, the Paul Thornton at Paul Thornton doesn't look quite like the Paul Thornton at Institute of Cornish Studies. DuncanHill 21:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

No, just checking redlinks.

Been working on John Hellins, applied mathematician and country parson today. Best Vernon White - TALK PAGE 21:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Whathojeeves

Hi again, I expect you've noticed that Whathojeeves has been creating several new articles on Cornish poets and writers - I've had a start at categorizing them, but would be very grateful if you could look them over and add anything you can - I do feel that WP needs better coverage of this area, but don't really have the resources myself to develop them. Special:Contributions/Whathojeeves is the place to look. Thanks DuncanHill 00:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

CNLA

Hi. I have no reason to consider the Cornish World Magazine unreliable. I edited the text because the impression I got from reading the paragraph was that of support of the CNLA. The sentence "intend to take direct action against property, avoiding harming people" sounds exculpatory, as if violence against property was acceptable and making an effort to avoid casualties was a positive move. Also, online polls being what they are today, claims of "massive support in Cornwall" are misleading. I assume these were the words of the person interviewed in the Cornish World article, but this was not made clear in the text, which as a result sounded biased. Dennywuh 19:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Cornish Rebellions

The problem here is that some rebellions involved other counties (Devon and Somerset), and quite often there were Cornish people on opposing sides hence I used the term 'Cornish involvement'. There is certainly alot of material on the subject but a title for an article may prove tricky. Talskiddy 16:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Falmouth cat

Hi Vernon, do you know how to create the category (so it shows blue instead of red) or would you like me to go ahead and set it up for you? DuncanHill 20:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

(copied from my talk page)

It's showing blue now, so should be fine!. BTW, when you want to link to a category, without putting a page into that cat (eg. on this page), type [[:Category:categoryname]] instead of [[Category:categoryname]]. The colon at the beginning turns it into an ordinary wikilink instead of adding it to a category. DuncanHill 20:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

It would probably be a good idea to make a note at [[WP:CORNWALL}]] to let other editors know you have created the category. I know the project isn't very active at the moment, but at least let's keep it "ticking over". DuncanHill 20:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

National Maritime Museum Controversy

Dear Vernon, thank you for your previous contributions to the National Maritime Museum Controversy. I believe, that the most recent edit of yours is not helpful, deletes valuable information, and includes statements not referenced by reliable sources - therefore unfortunately I had to revert your edit. I wrote an extensive comment in the corresponding talk page and suggest we continue the discussion there as we did before and try to achieve a consensus and wait until we get more feedback from other editors. I value your input and would like to avoid an edit war that would force me to request formal arbitration procedures. Thank you.Okinawasan 00:57, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Packet

Hi - the data transmission items don't need to be in the dab page, because they are included in the main Packet article, and that's only way an editor is going to reach the disambiguation page. If you want to put them back though, it's not a problem. ELIMINATORJR 21:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

• I think you might be right, actually - it would probably be better if Packet led to the dab page rather than the IT meaning, thus moving Packet to Packet (data) or something along those lines. ELIMINATORJR 11:02, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Biography Newsletter 5

The Biography WikiProject Newsletter Volume IV, no. 4 - September 2007
Project News The three-month long Summer Assessment Drive, organized by Psychless, was a huge success! It ran from June 1 – September 1, and reduced the backlog of unassessed articles from 113,385 to 56,237. In all, over 100,000 articles were assessed. Over 60 people contributed in some way. A barnstar has been created for exceptional work on Wikipedia biographies and for assisting the project. The Biography Barnstar is listed with the other WikiProject awards and can be awarded easily with a template. See the template page for more details. Member News Congratulations to the editors who worked on the newest featured biographies: Augustus; William Shakespeare; Adriaen van der Donck; Alfred Russel Wallace; Alison Krauss; Anne Frank; Anne of Denmark; Asser; Bart King; Bill O'Reilly; Bobby Robson; Bradley Joseph; CM Punk; Ceawlin of Wessex; Colley Cibber; Cædwalla of Wessex; Dominik Hašek; Elizabeth Needham; Frank Macfarlane Burnet; Georg Cantor; Gregory of Nazianzus; Gunnhild Mother of Kings; Gwen Stefani; Hannah Primrose, Countess of Rosebery; Harriet Arbuthnot; Harry S. Truman; Henry, Bishop of Uppsala; Héctor Lavoe; Ine of Wessex; Ion Heliade Rădulescu; Jack Sheppard; Jackie Chan; Jay Chou; John Martin Scripps; John Mayer; Joseph Francis Shea; Joshua A. Norton; Kate Bush; Kazi Nazrul Islam; Kevin Pietersen; Martin Brodeur; Mary Martha Sherwood; Mary of Teck; Maximus the Confessor; Miranda Otto; Muhammad Ali Jinnah; P. K. van der Byl; Penda of Mercia; Pham Ngoc Thao; Rabindranath Tagore; Ramón Emeterio Betances; Red Barn Murder; Richard Hakluyt; Richard Hawes; Robert Garran; Roman Vishniac; Ronald Niel Stuart; Ronald Reagan; Roy Welensky; Rudolph Cartier; Samuel Adams; Samuel Beckett; Sarah Churchill, Duchess of Marlborough; Sarah Trimmer; Sargon of Akkad; Shen Kuo; Sophie Blanchard; Stereolab; Sydney Newman; Sylvanus Morley; Tim Duncan; Timeline of Mary Wollstonecraft; Uncle Tupelo; Waisale Serevi; Wallis, Duchess of Windsor; Walter Model; William Bruce; William Goebel; Yagan; Zhou Tong; Æthelbald of Mercia; Æthelbald of Mercia New Members Congratulations to our 225 new members	From the Editors The newsletter is back! Many things have gone on during the past few months, but many things have not. While the assessment drive helped revitalize the assessment department of the project, many other departments have received no attention. Most notably: peer review and our "workgroups". A day long IRC meeting has been planned for October 13th, with the major focus being which areas of the project are "dead", what should our goals be as a project, and how to "revive" the dead areas of our project. Contribute to the discussion on the the new channel (see below) We decided to deliver this newsletter to all project members this month but only those with their names down here will get it delivered in the future. This is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue. Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned or post news on the next issue's talk page New irc channel Lastly, a new WikiProject Biography channel has been set up on the freenode network: #wikipedia-en-bio Our thanks to Phoenix 15 for setting it up. Contributors to this Issue Psychless (talk · contribs) Phoenix 15 (talk · contribs)
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Thanks

Thanks for the email, I'm just going to steer clear of admins for a while, far too much politicking involved for me! BTW, did you see my Boson articles? Very stubby at the moment, but at least a beginning! DuncanHill 18:53, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes. We were talking about the Bosons at Cornish Class last evening. I was glad to be a little informed. I've just emailed you the ODNB article, in case you don't have access. Best wishes. Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 19:30, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I found my library card, so have access now! DuncanHill 19:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Sheriffs

Hi Vernon. Just tried to add loads of pre-18th c sheriffs resulting in an edit conflict. If I don't add them soon I will lose all of my work. I need you to stop editing the page for a few minutes. Cornovia 23:00, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

PS - links to A2A will not work as the user sessions are timed out. I will sort all of those out if you want as I know how to get around the system. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cornovia (talk • contribs) 23:04, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

St Kew

Hi, hope you are well. My copy of "The Popular Dictionary of English Place-names" (which is the OUP Dictionary of English Placenames under another cover), says that the patron saint of the church is St Kew. Any thoughts? DuncanHill 21:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

But who was Kew? (see article) --Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 21:39, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Quaker Biography

I googled into your page on Quaker Biography. my interest in this is in Essex and Suffolk counties in England, where I have many Quaker ancestors and relatives. will you be focusing your biographies on British Quakers, and will you be focusing on all members of the Society of Friends or will it only be Quakers of note? I am currently working with a group regarding the Salmons, Hawkins and Smiths of and around Thaxted and Colchester. we do not have access at the moment to Quaker digests or records, and are gleening as much as possible online before going into the records beyond what I gathered in past years from the digests and records of Colchester. it is my hope that more Quaker records will become universally available than have been in the past. I realize the QFHS is making cd's of the digests, but I find the cd's to be incomplete and a system whereby the data from the digests and records are completely transcribed and placed online in a free database is greatly hoped for, as is the Quaker Biographical dictionary, which is even less available to genealogists than the records. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbaln (talk • contribs) 00:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Vernon39, in the article about quakers there is a section on qukaer terminology, do you happen to know of any book or other written text that deals with quaker terminology/vocabulary/language? I would be very grateful if you could help me.

Harold Fanning from Rostock, Germany. 85.177.5.173 (talk) 17:27, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

New Cornish Articles

Hi Vernon, hope you are well - good to see you active. Could you add your new articles to Wikipedia:WikiProject Cornwall/New articles? The Project page has just had a major redesign, and it would be a great opportunity to breathe some new life into it. Best wishes, DuncanHill 18:49, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Mineralization (biology)

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Potentially useful site: Packet Service

Hi, have you found this site? Falmouth Packet Archives? I've just come across it, and it looks like it could be useful. DuncanHill 23:07, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. But I think I need to have a better understanding of the non-Falmouth part of the service. Had lunch today at the Bell Court Deli, formerly the Packet serrvice Agent's Office . . . Looking at Mineralization at the moment. . . . Also caught up in the History of Falmouth College of Art. . . perhaps I need a wikibreak. too many lines of enquiry. Hope all is well with you. Best Vernon --Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 23:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK

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Cornwall people

Hi Vernon, just thought you might be interested in this userpage I have made. It is a (partial) list of people connected with Cornwall who are in ODNB but do not yet have Wikipedia articles. I have started with people whose ODNB articles mention Royal Geological Society of Cornwall, Royal Cornwall Polytechnic Society or the Royal Institution of Cornwall. I have also ensured that existing Wikipedia articles of people whose ODNB articles mention these institutions are appropriately linked. User:DuncanHill/Cornwall People. DuncanHill 01:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Can you tell me whether Mineralization (geology) and Ore genesis should be merged? --Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 10:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Good question - of the top of my head I'd say no - but mineralization can also refer to the process in which fossils are formed. I have a lovely thisk book on ore genesissomewhere - when I have time I'll look into this more closely. have you tried asking at the Geology Wikiproject? I think there are some professional geologists there who may be able to answer both more quickly and more authoritatively! DuncanHill 11:31, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

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Taking a break

Hi Vernon, hope you are OK. I am going to take a break from wikipedia, as I am fed up with all the bollocks. I don't know when, or if, I shall be back. Feel free to email - and if I can help you with anything then please do ask - you're definately one of the good guys. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 00:15, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm back, more or less! DuncanHill (talk) 02:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Fox/Carlyle

I don't know if you have found this already, but there are letters from the Carlyles to a couple of Foxes here - http://carlyleletters.dukejournals.org/cgi/recipient/start?coll=RECIPIENT&term=F DuncanHill (talk) 07:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

No I hadn't. There's also John Stuart Mill letters to Barclay and to the girls online JS Mill letters. Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 14:40, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Robert Were Fox the Younger

Have just started an article on Matthew Paul Moyle who appears to have collaborated with RWF, and to have been involved in the Poly. DuncanHill (talk) 03:44, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Robert Hunt

Hi again, hope you are well. Would you know if Robert Hunt (scientist) was the same Robert Hunt who contributed several articals on geologists and other scientists to the DNB? I've been creating some articles based on DNB bios, and it would be good if I could authorlink the references. DuncanHill (talk) 22:53, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll get on to them sometime, am off to Scout camp this evening. Best, DuncanHill (talk) 10:43, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

BAE

Re. the apology - don't worry about it. Thanks for adding the info about the CAAT/Corner House judicial review, I've been meaning to do that. Thanks also for adding the Mark Thomas article - interesting reading. Mark83 (talk) 10:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. I was conned by MH, so feel much the same as Mark Thomas. Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 10:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Penwith Wikiproject & Cornwall Wikiproject

Hi, I see you are a member of the Cornwall Wikiproject. A proposal has been made to merge the Penwith Wikiproject into it. You can join in the debate here. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 12:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Howard Fox

Hi Vernon, hope you are well (and not being blown away by the gales!). I'm working through a list of Presidents of the RGSC at the moment, and have a Howard Fox, Fellow of the Geological Society as president from 1893-1894. There is a Howard Fox mentioned in your Royal Cornwall Polytechnic Society article - do you know if he is the same chap? There's also a Warrington Smyth FRS - and I'm sure I've seen an article on him on WP but can't find it - any ideas? All the best, DuncanHill (talk) 23:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I've found Warington Wilkinson Smyth. DuncanHill (talk) 23:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. DuncanHill (talk) 23:54, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Fox review from 19th Century New York

I thought this article might interest you - [1]. DuncanHill (talk) 00:30, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Fox the Younger (again)

I've about exhausted my US-based knowledge of Robert Were Fox the Younger, so you more-local guys will have to make up for my ignorance. Perhaps I can work on the format of the references or keep snooping for a public-domain photograph. Fox was certainly an interesting fellow. -- Astrochemist (talk) 15:37, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Miss Fox visits Montreal

Researching Howard Fox (I'm sure the Falmouth one is the Geological one), I found this piece on Project Gutenburg - it mentions HF and a "Miss Fox" (Caroline's sister) - "upwards of eighty and a wonderful fossil". [2] Thought it might interest you. DuncanHill (talk) 01:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Robert Were Fox FRS

Hi, do you think it would be a good idea to have a gallery? It could hold the pic of his apparatus that is already in the article, and the pic of his dip circle with Ross (on the talk page), and any other pics we can get. BTW - glad you liked the Montreal info, sounds like they all had a jolly time! DuncanHill (talk) 23:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

(from my talk page)::Articles in The Times indicate that it was regarded as a very important initiative, not just a jolly. The WP article on John Strutt, 3rd Baron Rayleigh doesn't ention his presidency of BAAS! Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 23:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

That's the thing though - I think we have lost some of the ability to combine serious pursuits with enjoyment that the Victorians had. I often feel, reading of 19th century scientific endeavours, that everyone seems to have been having a wonderful time, as well as achieving great things. I'm reading a biography of Tom Huxley at the moment, and he seems to have taken his science hugley seriously at the same time as making the utmost of the social contacts and opportunities for fun that it offered. DuncanHill (talk) 00:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Cornish Quakers

I expect you've found this already, but just in case - [3]. DuncanHill (talk) 16:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Cystus

Hi, saw your post on the refdesk - Cystus is an alternate spelling of Cistus. Best wishes for Christmas and the New Year - won't be on much for a while - seeing family, and then jury service from the 2nd January. Take care, DuncanHill (talk) 15:56, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

William Oliver

Many thanks for the clean-up, good work. DuncanHill (talk) 23:39, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Chocoate Olivers (I doubt the good doctor would have approved!) are available from Huntley and Palmers [4]. DuncanHill (talk) 23:48, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the plain ones are made by United Biscuits, trading as Jacobs, but am not sure. I'll have to go to Waitrose and buy some - original research I know, but I suppose we could cite a tin! DuncanHill (talk) 23:55, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

A person of interest

Hi Vernon, I hope you are keeping well. I've just started an article Thomas Brown Jordan which you may find interesting - he was Barclay Fox's drawing-master, and secretary of the Poly. All the beat, DuncanHill (talk) 12:45, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Gurneys bankers

Is there any relationship between the families that established Gurneys Bank and, on the other hand, Overend, Gurney & Co‎? If so, it seems that there should be some information added to explain the relationship, or if not, then a "not to be confused with" sort of mention? Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I agree with you, but this is pretty far afield of my areas of interest. I found a reference in a book about the history of banking and the Barclays and added it to a couple of articles, and there were books about the Gurneys referenced in the Joseph John Gurney article, but I'll have to leave the Gurney family project to someone else. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:52, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Samuel Gurney: Well done - it is a much improved article! I consolidated a few headings and did a little formatting. If you disagree, feel free to revert. Were any of his children notable? Which of them took over the discount bank? Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:55, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I added a little more to the Samuel Gurney article and the two banks' articles. It seems that Samuel Gurney was still running the Norwich bank as well as the London firm after 1809. I am now fairly satisfied that the relationship between the two banks is, at least, clearer, but there is obviously more to this story, especially who was running Gurney's bank from 1809 to 1896, and how the Gurneys managed to insulate Gurney's bank from the troubles of the London discount house. But, I have done as much as I wish to do here. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Gwynedd Rae

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CSD

I can but apologise for making decisions based on content. As I believe my ratio of good decisions outweighs the bad, I will continue. I must tell you, therefore, that I was a little sleepy last night with my edits. Asenine ^{(talk)(contribs)} 17:09, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Robert Barclay Fox

You don't need my permission to remove them, they are just suggestions and and flags for other editors to coma and help. It looks fine to me now, and I may have been a bit trigger happy in the first place ;) JPilborough^{-Leave Message} 23:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Congénies

I am reverting back your gallery edits for two reasons:

1. Galleries do not work with the French Commune infobox, the rendering is destroyed in Firefox 2, Linux Browsers and Opera.
2. Galleries are deprecated and there are bots around that just remove them leaving the tag commonscat.

The next edit on English must be to bring across material from French, and the Quaker significance needs to be explained on the French article. ClemRutter (talk) 20:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Good to get to know you. Did you see the link to the van Etten book- its online and there is a host of material about Congénies and the protestant/inspiré/Quaker history of the Vaunage. Meeting for Worship has resumed at the meeting house, and again visitors are welcome. ClemRutter (talk) 21:12, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Posted response on my talk page. ClemRutter (talk) 00:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Dabbing

No problem, I keep an eye on links to Falmouth. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 00:54, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Warnings

Hi there! Just a tip about issuing warnings; don't issue three 4th tier warnings on the first edit to an editor's talk page, haha. It is a bit redundant. Instead, just slap on one and see where that goes. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 22:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Robert Charleton

When I started the article on RC, I looked on the DNB and didn't transfer over a lot of information, I checked the facts that I did with the Anna Fox book, and letters I had from a Genealogist, Heather Charleton , which I had in my files. I think it was the grandchildren of Elijah Waring and RC who married, and it is throught this line I inherited the said book. As I may have said 'I speak Quaker' though am not an attender. I am worried about the term ministry, being confused with being a Minister. The only reference I have of Robert being a Minister is A Testimony of the Bristol and Frenchay Meeting concerning Robert Charleton being a Minister deceased. I think this is an feature of typesetting a heading- so all nouns were capitalised. I read this as a minister-- ie one who gave ministry, at the invitation of the Clerk to the Meeting. All the other terminology seems to be the same as today- Quarterly Meeting, Meeting for Sufferings etc- though all the dates are written in Fifth Month 18th style as month names were then not used. I think, the DNB just make a mistake, and understood this in an Anglican Context.

I see that someone has transcribed the DNB article- including the misleading (Minister). I think that the additional information that I chose not to include could be transferred across and the duplicate article should be tagged for deletion. We do need a new article on pin-making as it now features on the UK 20 pound note- I could write a stub but it quickly leaves my area of competence. ClemRutter (talk) 23:30, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Uncommented. I put a wikilink instead. I will transfer the info you gave to make a new stub.ClemRutter (talk) 00:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reference- I have used it before on my Medway library card. I don't mind which one of us starts! I am a little reluctant to do too much due to my family connections and taking too much ownership. I'll put it on the list. Recorded Minister, as you see, your words of wisdom are now a new article. I think that solves the problem. ClemRutter (talk) 00:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

No - my friend Ted's wisdom. Now the practice of recording Ministers has to be woven into the Quaker history article. Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 00:29, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Earlham College

Hey, Vernon. Thanks for the heads-up. I checked what you're talking about. Yes, I didn't notice it before, but it's not something I've done. Whoever had been working on it before not only used a reflist template but added individual references, so that it had two subsequent numbered lists. Pretty odd. I'll have to do something about that when I have time, unless you'd like to weed out and reformat some of it. My work or not, thanks again for the heads-up. Aepoutre (talk) 01:14, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Couldn't resist fixing this! Actually, the old note_label/ref_label system can still have its uses (see the results section in Chrissie Wellington, where I used a variant of the same system), but in most cases it's better to replace it with the cite.php system.

--NSH001 (talk) 02:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

William Cookworthy

Do you have "Cookworthy:A man of no common clay" by A. Douglas Selleck ISBN 0904593053? It's very informative, I shall try to add some info from it to the article (will be good for me). Selleck is of course one of the ECC Sellecks, and has also written "Plymouth Friends", a history of the Plymouth Quakers (which I don't have but feel sure would interest you). Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 01:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Good to hear from you. I have only got the Barton Bradford book. I'm looking at ODNB - Silvanus Bevan and Daniel Quare at present. To bed soon. Best Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 01:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Cornwall Libraries have several copies of the Cookworthy book. Devon Libraries have the "Plymouth Friends", you should be able to order it through inter-library loans. There's a nice litle note in Selleck - he visited a private collection of Cookworthy porcelain, and on the collector's mantlepiece was a Daniel Quare clock, flanked by two Plymouth Porcelain sphinxes. Plymouth Museum has a good collection of the porcelain apparently, as well as the Opie portrait. DuncanHill (talk) 01:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Just glancing through the index of the Selleck, WC seems to have been related to various Cornish Foxes - can't see a connexion to your Foxes yet tho'. Joseph Fry of the chocolate family was an original shareholder in the Plymouth Porcelain Company. I had forgotten what a fascinating man Cookworthy was (and me who used to drink in a pub named for him!), will re-read the book and work on the article. Will take my mind off all the non-content mallarky on WP! DuncanHill (talk) 01:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Cookworthy's mother, Edith, was a Debell, as was the second wife of George Fox of Par, Anna, whose children founded two Fox dynasties in Falmouth. The Cookworthys and the Foxes both intermarried with the Weres of Wellington, Somerset, Worsted manufacturers. James Fox says that he is related to about half the people in Milligan's Biographical dictionary of British Quakers in commerce and industry. Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 11:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah! And in 1777 WC writes to one of his daughters from the bed-side of an aged cousin, Edward Fox of Wadebridge. DuncanHill (talk) 12:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, many were multiply related, although marriages of first cousins and with deceased wife's sister were not permitted. Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 12:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

Please do not post inappropriate warnings. If you look at the discussions pages, such as for Richard Jenkin you will see there has been a constructive discussion. In the future please assume good faith. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.171.112 (talk) 20:37, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

An anonymous editor on BT internet who doesn't sign their posts, changes "Cornish" to "British" without seeking consensus first and refactors talk pages - seen him before. DuncanHill (talk) 21:23, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Not me you haven't. I've only just changed ISP (I was with Tiscali) and I have only just started using Wikipedia. I am only just learning the ropes but I thought there was something in Wikipedia about assuming good faith and helping necomers & not attacking them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.171.112 (talk) 21:29, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Suggest you get on with improving articles on topics in which you have some knowledge or expertise, without meddling with matters of which you appear to have little understanding. If you are doing these amendments in good faith, then please register, so that a Wikipedian conversation can proceed. As has been previously stated, "Cornish" is a click away from a full explanation of the term and the articles makes it clear that Cornwall is a sub-region of the UK. Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 22:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion, but I would be grateful if you did not speculate about what I have or have not understanding. I also request that you be polite to fellow writers, and especially new ones. As has been previously stated ensuring that articles stand on their own without the need to follow hyperlinks is actually beneficial. I again note all my edits have been factual. I do not understand why you are so against the inclusion of peoples' nationality, which is very basic information. Why do you object to someone reading that an individual is British AND from Cornwall? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.171.112 (talk) 22:50, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Please stop arguing repetitively. Goodnight (it's 11 o'clock in the UK, now) Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 23:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Quaker terminology

Harold Fanning - Rostock - You said:

"Hi Vernon39, in the article about quakers there is a section on qukaer terminology, do you happen to know of any book or other written text that deals with quaker terminology/vocabulary/language? I would be very grateful if you could help me. Harold Fanning from Rostock, Germany. 85.177.5.173 (talk) 17:27, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Here are two:

• Quaker speak : first aid for newcomers / Alastair Heron. - York : Quaker Outreach in Yorkshire, 1994. - 55 p. ; 15 cm. ISBN 0951944029.
• My ancestors were Quakers : how can I find out more about them? / Edward H. Milligan [and] Malcolm J. Thomas. - [New ed.]. - London : Society of Genealogists, 1999. - [64] p. ; 21 cm..- (My ancestor series) ISBN 1859514049

There's also an online enquiry desk (Britain Yearly Meeting) - Ask a Quaker a Question and a website for Germany Yearly Meeting . . . . . . or come back to me with a specific question or project, via Wikipedia email. Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 08:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

BAE Systems

Hi. I've removed your 13 February edit:

• It's isn't actually a reference, it's a statement.
• It's not encyclopedic to say This poor relationship with the major customer is unfortunate. See Wikipedia:Words to avoid
• I've no doubt you wish to edit as per WP's NPOV policy; however I feel "had published an enthusiastic book in" is tilting the argument, i.e. inserting your own judgement.
• Also I disagree with your point - your saying Evans heralded a new era of British Aerospace/MOD relations which fell flat. However if you look at the history BAE Systems was more or less at war with the MOD over Nimrod aircraft, Astute SSNs & Type 45 workshare - all of which were inherited from GEC-Marconi/Marconi Electronic Systems. There have been no rows on such a scale in recent years, suggesting those disputes were transitional. Mark83 (talk) 11:41, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't mean it doesn't merit a mention - after all MES was merged into British Aerospace, not the other way about, therefore the strategy laid out by Evans & Price is relevant (the British Aerospace board largely became the BAE board with just a few Marconi appointments). Just to reiterate my point, it didn't really matter what British Aerospace's/BAE Systems' corp. strategy was - as it wasn't British Aerospace or BAE who put pen to paper on Nimrod/Astute/Type 45, it was GEC-Marconi/MES. Mark83 (talk) 21:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Belated thanks and can you help

Many thanks for the Payton - much appreciated, and very kind of you. Sorry I've been rather uncommunicative lately, on of my wikimoods I'm afraid. Do you know anything about a Robert Dunkin? He was a Quaker saddlemaker who also made his own scientific equipment, I think he was from Penzance, and seems to have given the young Humphry Davy much encouragement. DuncanHill (talk) 17:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the info - he sounds an interesting person, maybe material for an article of his own one day. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 23:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Scouting

No I don't! I just had a quick skim through the index of Tim Jeal's biography of BP - the National Service League are mentioned a few times both in connexion with BP's work with the Territorials and with Scouting, but can't see anything quite on those lines. BP was a very contradictory man, both a pacifist and a militarist (he became more pacific with the passing of time, and described modern warfare as "organized slaughter"). He certainly had to balance Scouting between both the military tradition and a more pacifist, libertarian ethos (for example, he was a great admirer of Montessori, as she was of Scouting). I don't have the recent Official History of Scouting (maybe I'll buy it for my Group and borrow it!) there may be more in there. Will let you know if I come up with anything more. DuncanHill (talk) 00:30, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting may be worth asking. DuncanHill (talk) 00:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

There is a bit more in Jeal's biography, pp404 - 423. Got to go to the bank, will write more presently, Francis Vane is relevant, but I think WP's article is rather stubby. DuncanHill (talk) 12:30, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia: The Missing Manual - binding problem

Yup, the binding glue was defective on a lot of copies in the first printing - some thousands ended up being pulped, I'm told, once the problem had been discovered.

It's not clear if you ended up with a good copy or not; if not, and your bookseller isn't responsive, please let me know - I can help. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 15:43, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, missed a comment you made on my page - I'll send you an email regarding getting you another copy. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 15:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

FAU

You asked that I consider the more general aspects of the question of how people find what they need from Wikipedia and whether sites about US subjects should have precedence in the use of ambiguous titles. I am not giving it precedence simply because it is a US subject, I am giving it precedence because the stats I provided show it is the most popular of the articles by far. To not direct FAU to the university when it receives eight times as many hits as all of the articles on the DAB page does not make sense. As for the notable biographical articles squatting on the names of globally notable non-American people, this is the English Wikipedia, so a lot of the time preference is given to English subjects. I am imagine that most of the different Wikipedias do this. As for the future audience of En Wikipedia, I don't see it really changing that much, it is what it is now, English speaking with some users from other languages. We are slowly expanding the coverage of subjects that are important in the non-English world, but I doubt we will ever have the level of coverage that the subject's native language would have. KnightLago (talk) 00:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Evolutionary history of plants

Eugh. I'd missed out a closing slash in one of the refs. All sorted now! Thanks for taking a look. Smith609 Talk 18:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)