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V8 2014

Hi,

I appreciate your efforts to better the 2014 V8 Supercars season page, but I have reverted your edits again. You shared your reasons with me, so the least I can do is share mine with you.

Firstly, that column is going to remain blank for some time. Even if every co-driver is announced at Bathurst, the column is still going to remain blank for a month. Since it's unlikely that every co-driver will be announced at once, the bulk of that column could remain blank for the better part of a year. It's simply too early to create it. Rest assured that it will be added in due course.

Secondly, you will note that the current driver table only contains a few entries - and that teams with more than one car (like FPR) only have one driver included. This was done because it was felt that it was too soon to have a table full of blank entries - and that's for drivers who will contest the full season. You're looking to add a blank column for drivers who will only contest a handful if races a year from now.

Thirdly, if you look at the 2013 season page, you will see that endurance co-drivrrs are, in fact, included. They are in a collapsible table under the season driver table. This is different to the way it has been done in previous years, because the endurance races form their own championship-within-a-championship. The table is collapsible to keep the article from being dominated by large tables. This is mostly experimental for the 2013 page, but I imagine it will continue so long as the endurance races form a mini-championship. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 11:35, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

2014 International V8 Supercars Championship

No. No they aren't. It can wait until the 2014 season begins. --Falcadore (talk) 11:38, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Alex Premat and context

Please stop removing context from the article. No, we do not mention how long each individual driver raced for each team. But what we do do is try to provide some context as to the driver's situation. For instance, in the case of Chad Mostert, we mention that he was loaned out to DJR during 2013. We do not just say that he replaces Will Davison.

Articles should be written in such a way that they are entirely self-contained. Someone with no knowledge of the sport should be able to click the random page function, land on the article, read it through and understand it. Given your preferred version of edits, the reader has no clue who Alex Premat is, except that he was replaced by Robert Dahlgren. And given your logic behind trimming down Premat's entry, we might as well cut the whole thing down to "Robert Dahlgren replaced Alex Premat", because if details of Premat's place in the sport are not important, then no driver should have any details attached to their entries.

The moral of the story is that context matters. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 11:16, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

There is no easy way to put this ...

... But your writing style needs work. Seriously, would it kill you to learn how proper grammar works? That paragraph that you insist is the best thing for the 2014 V8 article is, in a word, rubbish. Read it out loud and you will see what I mean. You had two subjects in the sentence, which is a big no-no. So before you start lecturing people as to what is best for the article, I suggest you learn how to write an article first. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 11:02, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm typing on a mobile device. My occasionally-poor spelling is excuseable. What's your reason for not knowing the basic grammar rules I would expect my seventh-graders to be familiar with? Prisonermonkeys (talk) 11:50, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

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Grammar

Do you actually know what the difference between a sentence and a sentence fragment is, and how that difference changes depending on whether the sentence is a phrase or a clause, on whether it is written as a conjunctive or a subjunctive, and whether it is written in an active or a passive voice? Or are you just quoting the Manual of Style, which is written as a guideline precisely because of these nuances of grammar? Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:38, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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Toyota Team Australia

I've pulled you up on this one before but 'Toyota' always comes first in the team name. Toyota's preference was to have Toyota the first word, hence Toyota Team Europe [1] --Falcadore (talk) 04:10, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

I have, just possibly as reverts when you've changed race article links. It's possible you've not noticed. I only just noticed there was an article on the race team (btw - there are two Toyota Team Australias) --Falcadore (talk) 04:51, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

...And please

stop putting the generation models at the end. That is not where they belong. They go in the middle. --Falcadore (talk) 15:27, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Australian motorsport vehicles

That was quite the clumsy and self-serving close. You need to read the procedures a bit first - and secondly three people cannot define a consensus of such wide ranging effect - as this is primarily an issue of road cars not racing cars this is absolutely the wrong place to discuss it.

Also and most importantly, you need to understand that consensus is not a vote. Thinking that two people vs one concludes the matter demonstrates that you do not even have an understanding of what the word consensus means. Start with a dictionary, then move on to WP:CONSENSUS. I am trying to make allowances for your inexperience, but you've made quite the leap here and it needs to be pulled up. --Falcadore (talk) 03:10, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Coming back to this briefly; I am prepared to park it until the end of November, you need to be aware that discussion like consensus seeking should (but not must) be performed by uninvolved editors. Additionally, consensus seeking is not decided by votes. WP:VOTE and Wikipedia:Closing discussions --Falcadore (talk) 05:56, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

GRM/VPR

You said "Volvo Polestar Racing = Garry Rogers Motorsport per cite 30 quote: ...will be known as Wilson Security Racing GRM..." – the name Wilson Security Racing GRM is similar to Red Bull Racing Australia, or Pepsi Max Crew PRA.

The team racing in the series is a collaboration between GRM, Volvo and Polestar, who together form Volvo Polestar Racing, as seen in this article:

"Volvo Car Australia today announces that it will be on the V8 Supercars Championship grid in 2014 and ready to race.

As the first luxury car brand to join the V8 Supercars Championship with a factory team, Volvo Car Australia has joined forces with Volvo Car Group’s global motorsport partner Polestar to go racing.

Together, they will partner with the well-respected Garry Rogers Motorsport team to form Volvo Polestar Racing, the first formalised factory team from a luxury car brand." - ^Kytabu_Talk 04:17, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of 2016 International V8 Supercars Championship for deletion

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