Tru100

July 2020

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Yes I myself am a Barnard and I found that the history of our family was almost completely inaccurate. A family member's DNA test Says 66% English and Welsh, 26% Irish and Scotish, and the rest was Germanic and French ancestry. The point being our family is not Jewish, Nor were we ever. The Barnard's came to England after the invasion of the Normans in 1066. It came from The French surname Barnard. Not saying that Jewish families don't have the family name, but the family name has a different origin. Tru100 (talk) 03:58, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Strickland

The content you are adding to the Strickland page has several problems, as explained on the Talk page, notably it treats the same place (Strickland, historically in Westmorland but now in Cumbria) as if it were two separate locations/two separate origins for the surname. One part of it is also redundant, and another part is desperately in need of sourcing. Please respond to the concerns and reach consensus on the Talk page rather than repeatedly inserting the same problematic material. (See policy WP:BRD on the need to achieve consensus on Talk pages rather than repeated reversion.) Agricolae (talk) 21:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

This Surname is a part of my family history, in fact it's my mother's maiden name. The name very likely goes further than the 12th century in Westmoreland. A DNA test said we were mostly Irish and Scottish, a bit of Native American, a small amount of Italian, and Dutch. The point being there was direct connection to England. We found that the earliest records of strickland and/or Stercaland were found in West Scotland, and Cumbria. The original people of Cumbria go as far in history as the Celtic tribes, as do the Cornish, The Welsh, The Manx, and the Mancunians. So the Strickland family may be a common family name in England, and it's certainly of Cumbric origin and they moved to the nearby Scottish Counties. It's possible that some of the Strickland families later moved from Scotland to England. Today there are still families with this name in Scotland and even Ireland. Tru100 (talk) 00:13, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

The Strickland family is not the only Scottish family that originated in Cumbria. If you research you'll find that popular Scottish surnames like Johnston and Cummings actually originated in Cumbria. Tru100 (talk) 00:26, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I will try to hit the main points here:

1) Just because your DNA shows certain ethnicities doesn't mean those apply in any way applies to the origin of a surname going on 900 years ago. You would inherit, on average, 0.00006% of your DNA from this 12th century Strickland - essentially zero, so the ethnic proportionality of any living person cannot be used to address this question. (Further, not to put too fine a point on it, but maybe your grandfather was born to a liaison your great-grandmother had with the milkman, and not her Strickland husband, for all we know.)

2) The name of the town certainly can be presumed to go before the 12th century, but the surname does not, because this is about the earliest that anyone in Britain used surnames. Prior to that time, they used patronymics or simply a single name. This does not mean that the family or families that later used the surname didn't have deep Celtic or Norman or Anglo-Saxon roots, but the page we are talking about is Strickland (surname) - it is about the surname and those who bore the surname, and when it talks about the origin, it is talking about the origin of the surname and not the ethnic derivation of the people who came to bear it. All this talk of Celtic tribes and Mancunians is fundamentally missing the point.

3) You keep trying to make this a Scottish name, while admitting that it comes from Cumbria, which is in England. Further, you keep trying to draw a distinction between a Scottish surname Strickland in Cumbria and an English surname from Strickland in Westmoreland, when the two are exactly the same place, Westmoreland being the historical county that encompasses some of the same area as the regional designation (and modern Ccounty) of Cumbria, and the Strickland we are talking about in one is the one we are talking about in the other.

4) That there are people of this name in Scotland and Ireland now is meaningless. There are people of this name in Kansas, but that doesn't make it a Kansas surname in the sense that we are using it.

5) What is missing in all of this attestation of yours is something that is very important on Wikipedia. One of Wikipedia's core policies is WP:Verifiability. That means that everything on Wikipedia should have a source, and when material is added without a source, such as the material you are adding, then it can be challenged and removed for that reason alone, and when this is done, it should not be restored without a source. I have pointed this out multiple times, yet you seem to claim your own personal knowledge as a source - it isn't.

6) Even were there to be a source, you haven't provided a good explanation why a surname that arose from a place in England and that gave rise to a lot of notable people in England and that is documented by references to be an English surname, must instead, in your rendering, be regarded as first and foremost a Scottish surname because some people with the name deriving from the English village happened to go to Scotland too. We don't get to pick what we are going to call it based on our own personal preference, as you seem to be doing.

7) You fail to address here why you think the etymological origin of the toponym absolutely must go in the lede of the article when it is already in the body of the article. Surely we don't need to say the same thing twice, and the body is the better place for it for the reason I have given several times now.

Agricolae (talk) 04:01, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

How would it be only 0.00006% of my DNA when my ancestors would be supposedly living in England for at least 600 years, and my ancestors could only have a family with other English women? My DNA would result in a little more than 0.00006% English Blood. If it Also it's true that Cumbria, and other historic counties in Northern England were settled by Celtic groups such as the Berks, Parisi, and Brigantes. Considering that Cumbric Family names were most definitely named before the invasion of the Danes, Normans, and Saxons. When the first Strickland was around he/she would not be mixed with Norse, Norman, or German. Scotland was also Celtic before the Danish Invasion. I'm not saying that Cumbria isn't an English County, but if before the invasions were to move from Cumbria to Scotland and interbreed with the Scots. That family wouldn't have any English Blood. If you look at records you'll find that the Stricklands have been living in Scotland for hundreds of years, and my DNA results in Scottish. It's not at all Coincidental. You could say that Strickland is a Scottish and old Cumbric English Surname, but ethnically most bearers of the surname Strickland have no English at all, So it's technically untrue to say it is. Tru100 (talk) 00:16, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

We aren't talking about all of your DNA, we are talking about the Stricklands, and so unless you are massively inbred in your ancestry, the amount of your DNA that came from the 12th century Stricklands, and hence could tell us anything about the ethnicity of the first Stricklands, is both vanishingly small and impossible to sort out from the rest of your DNA that did not come from the Stricklands. Further, contrary to the marketing of the DNA testing companies, one cannot distinguish southern lowland Scotland from the borderlands of England genetically - the genetics are a continuum that does not respect modern political boundaries.

As to Cumbrian surnames arising prior to the invasion of the Danes, there is simply no evidence for this: British toponymic surnames are an innovation not seen until the Anglo-Norman era. There were toponyms found in some records prior to this point indicating where the specific individual lived or owned land, but these did not pass from one generation to the next - if someone 'of Strickland' moved north, the next generation would have been called 'of Lasswade' (or wherever they ended up).

The big problem here is that you are trying to argue your point based on what you believe to be true. Wikipedia does not use personal knowledge, but sources. You could say that Strickland is Scottish . . . . - this is not about what I could say, or what you could say, but about what sources say. To include Scottish as an ethnicity of the surname at all, let alone the predominant surname, we need a source that identifies the name as Scottish, not just your personal belief that is the case, or at a minimum, a very early bearer appearing in a Scottish context, not a modern person who identifies as Scottish and has the surname. Agricolae (talk) 09:53, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

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