TimBRoy

February 2009

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AfD nomination of List of roller derby leagues

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TimBRoy, thanks for voicing your support for the list over at the AfD discussion!

People like Orangemike and DreamGuy are the quintessential Wikipedia bureaucrats. They respond only to quotations of policy and direct, immediate actions. Of course, they won't engage in any actions themselves, except for taggings and deletions. They fancy themselves the saviors of Wikipedia and have no interest in discussing anything, since as mere enforcers of policy they're always "right" and need never actually think about what they're doing or what negative consequences it can have. A lot of the time, I'm sure it works out great for them and for Wikipedia, as there are some topics which benefit from aggressive pruning of article content and articles themselves: cut back the old decay to make way for healthy new growth.

Sometimes, though, it has the opposite effect. What do they really think is going to happen if the list is deleted or even if it's scaled way back, given the caliber of contributions we've been dealing with so far? And what do they think is going to happen in their absence or ours, since they're just alienating us – seriously, you think I'm going to stick around and keep trying to make the best of things? You and I know the list will just build right back up again, but worse than before. If they are successful at getting things pruned/removed and I do decide to stick around, I've half a mind to send these guys a notice about every single edit that comes down the pike and see how they like having to actually take responsibility for the fallout from their deletions.

We have to try not to get baited into arguing over Orangemike's skepticism of the existence of the leagues. He's only speculating that they could be false just to rationalize his nomination of the article for deletion for lack of cited, reliable sources. I don't think he has any genuine skepticism of any one of the leagues, or even any interest in the topic whatsoever. He's only a pathetic bureaucrat, and his mind isn't going to be changed as long as he has a policy to quote and "barnstar" to be "awarded". I think the better strategy is to kill 'em with kindness. Make him look bad by being extremely responsive and welcoming of assistance with constructive improvements from interested parties, people who not only can work within Wikipedia's policies & guidelines but who also can take into account the issues unique to the intersections of sports history, sports historiography, sports journalism, and current popular culture in general, and to roller derby in particular. Make him look even worse by taking immediate steps to address the issues in question, adding citations of reliable sources to some of the leagues, time permitting, even though nobody had any genuine skepticism of any of the info — proving that nomination for deletion was overkill and a waste of people's time.

Anyway… you mentioned derbyroster.com, and I see it's being used as a source already. It's a good list to link to in the external links section (which we're already doing), and it's good that the maintainer accepts & publishes corrections, but it's not really at the level of "reliability" that we need for the purpose of confirming the existence of each league. AFAIK anyone can email and tell her they've got a league starting up, and she'll add it to her list, so it's not much different than a wiki or DMOZ. Newspaper & TV news websites are a little better because there's at least some accountability and presumed fact-checking. Newspapers and books are the best because they get archived. —mjb (talk) 06:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Roller Derby WikiProject?

Hi there, I see you do a lot of editing to roller derby-related articles, and am wondering if there is any interest in creating/joining a WikiProject meant to better handle and improve roller derby articles. From looking through the archives, one has yet to be proposed, but think if enough folks were up for it, it could help make the quality of articles more consistent and useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Echoedmyron (talk • contribs) 19:11, 4 February 2011 (UTC) oops, yes, forgot to sign, duh. Echoedmyron (talk) 19:14, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

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Roller Derby Coalition of Leagues

Thanks for the information - I wasn't aware of that. Would be good if they publicised it a bit more! I've updated the information in the articles. Warofdreams talk 09:41, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Blue Ridge Rollergirls WFTDA membership

Thanks for the additional fixes -- these hadn't occurred to me. --Nemonoman (talk) 16:21, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Regionals

I've got no problem with you updating "Regionals" to "Playoffs", as that's the official term, although they are still often called "Regionals". I'm not sure why you say that "Regionals" is not a word, though, as it's clearly listed in the Oxford English Dictionary as "chiefly N. Amer. A regional contest or competition. Chiefly in pl." Warofdreams talk 08:24, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

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