User talk:Tibbydibby/Archive 1

June 2013

Hello, I'm Fraggle81. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Canada's Worst Handyman 4 because it did not appear constructive. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Fraggle81 (talk) 17:48, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't realize that swear words were allowed to be uncensored on Wikipedia. Sorry about that. I'll make note for the future. Tibbydibby (talk) 18:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Please change it back

Kris is still a member of EXO, why you think he's the past member?? There's no official information from SM, why you do that?? Can you change it back? That will make so many people uncertain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Linlinhey (talk • contribs) 03:57, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, but be BOLD and edit yourself. I did say to feel free to revert my edits on the edit summary. Tibbydibby (talk) 15:01, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

So I dont think kris is out of exo! Just cause he isn't there doesn't mean sm or exo has confirm it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kpop lover801 (talk • contribs) 00:14, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Same message as I said to Linlinhey. Tibbydibby (talk) 15:01, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

I think its very disrespectful and inappropriate to edit Kris of EXO as a "Past member". The agency of EXO, SM Entertainment and EXO itself hasnt gave any confirmation regarding Kris' leaving the group. It would be really appreciated if you undo your previous edit and wait for the official statement(s). Thank you. - and please in the future be sure to not edit an article without a reliable source. ( By: Exoshi bts)

As I said to Linlinhey. Tibbydibby (talk) 15:04, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

So I have read all talk pages in relation to EXO, and I'm just going to be in agreement with the majority of editors to wait it out until SM makes an official statement in regards to Kris' lawsuit. Tibbydibby (talk) 15:27, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

SM Entertainment

I'm a little confused by your recent edit to SM Entertainment regarding EXO on the group table. You changed the term from "inactive" to "former" and added a citation needed, but in your edit summary you said you would change it back if someone proved you wrong? Wouldn't the norm be to make the edit only when you found a source supporting the edit? Shouldn't we err on the side of being slow, i.e. "inactive," as you yourself said, because neither lawsuit is finished? I don't see the necessity of a. the change without sourcing, and b. the addition of a citation needed from the earlier, perhaps out-of-date I don't know, less-sloppy form. Asdklf; (talk) 23:55, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

asdklf; In all honesty, I already found the "former" tag when I went on Wikipedia myself. I didn't change the word "inactive" to "former" myself, I just saw that it was there so I tagged the "Citation Needed" tag to, perhaps, give someone a chance to edit it with references that Kris/Luhan would be former members. I hope that answers your question. Tibbydibby (talk) 00:11, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Ah I see, my mistake Asdklf; (talk) 00:20, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

asdklf; Upon further investigation, I notice it was an IP address who changed the wording. I have placed a notice on the IP user's tag to cite sources. But you probably should change the word back to "Inactive" soon if that IP address doesn't find any sources about Kris and Luhan's status in EXO/S.M.... Tibbydibby (talk) 00:24, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello tibbydibby, I saw that your have reverted my edits. First off, I really appreciate you for letting me beforehand of why you've decided to revert them. But there are some points I have to disagree:

• The roster should only include SM artists. Therefore, things such as "former members" should not be included as they are no longer relevent contributors to the group. These former artists are also no longer active artists under S.M. Entertainment, therefore, they should not be included in an SM roster. If readers would like to know more about the group's history, they will eventually click on their biography page to know more. Also, wikipedia is an encyclopedia after all. It should try to stay professional.
• I chose to take down the "inactive" label and italicize the inactive members instead because it really clutters the table and makes it even harder to read. We should keep these tables as simple as possible. Darkreason (talk) 17:49, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Darkreason, I honestly get what you mean. But sometimes, readers would rather see the details right in front of them (like Inactive Members vs. Former Members (ie: Jessica), and in some cases, which idols are just sub-group members like Henry and Zhoumi). The thing is, Henry and Zhoumi are also italicized which would confuse readers unless a proper explanation is mentioned. I also want to mention that not very many people would understand the concepts of footnotes (especially those who aren't computer savvy nor educated in the area of research). And not everyone wants to go to the artist pages too (like people interested in learning about Entertainment Industries who aren't fans of SNSD for example) to get that information. It is also important to note who is a former member of certain groups, and who is inactive on both the SM Entertainment page, and the artist page. To keep things Consistent. I hope this helps and like I said, I completely agree as well with the idea of keeping things looking as professional as possible. Please let me know if you have additional questions to why your edit was reverted. And most of the time based on my experience, Wikipedia is written for the General Audience so people can understand the topic better. Tibbydibby (talk) 18:05, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

"And not everyone wants to go to the artist pages too (like people interested in learning about Entertainment Industries who aren't fans of SNSD for example) to get that information. It is also important to note who is a former member of certain groups, and who is inactive on both the SM Entertainment page, and the artist page."

You just contradicted yourself. You claim that not everyone wants to go to the artist page because there are general fans who are only interested in learning about the entertainment industry, but are not fans of a particular group. So why is it important for these general fans to know who is a former member of a group when these fans probably don't even care to know the individual members in the first place? But anyway, an artist roster should only include active members of that organization. Former members like Han Geng of Super Junior are no longer S.M. artists. There is no point to even include them in the roster because they no longer contribute to the company or their former groups. And that is why we have a section dedicated to these former artists at the bottom of the S.M. Entertainment page. What if SM releases rotational groups like After School or Morning Musume? Are we going to have to list all their former members too?

"I also want to mention that not very many people would understand the concepts of footnotes (especially those who aren't computer savvy nor educated in the area of research)."

Check out these starred articles, which uses footnotes: List of highest-grossing films, Girls' Generation discography. I suggest that for subgroup members like Henry and Zhou Mi, who are very active S.M. artists, can be included in (brackets) and add in an SJ-M label next to their name. For inactive members like Kibum, we italicize and add referrable footnotes by their name. Darkreason (talk) 02:18, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

If you want, you should go to the talk page of SM Entertainment and see what other editors think of your idea of taking out the "Inactive Tag" and "Italicizing" vs. taking out former members off the SM roster before you edit again. You can also look at JYP Entertainment, Sunye has an inactive bracket next to her name which is a bit messier than what S.M. Entertainment page has. I would rather have everything on the table in further detail as currently outlined in the S.M. Entertainment page. It's been there for a LONG period of time to explain more. Also, I looked at the other pages that used footnotes and it mostly mentioned further INTRINSIC detail about production cost/who sang what. The inactive vs. SJ-M should still be mentioned so readers won't get too confused about it. Also, the situation regarding Jessica is a bit messy in my opinion, but people who are in the S.M Entertainment page still need to know that she was a member of Girls' Generation. Tibbydibby (talk) 14:25, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Please join in!

If you're a frequent editor of kpop articles, feel free to join a new discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture. We're trying to discuss consistency, redundancy, over-fannishness, and other issues. :) Shinyang-i (talk) 20:47, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Happy New Year! There are a bunch of kpop-related AFDs that have been listed in the last few days. Take a look! ^_^ Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Korea Shinyang-i (talk) 21:27, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm Apologize

Hey, I'm the creator//editor of No. MERCY (trainee) Wikipedia. I would like to say that, I'm sorry if I make mistake, but I'm just new, and I didn't mean to ruin the meaning of the page. Due to my mistake and error, If you want to delete the page, I will let you do it. I don't mind, since it was my mistake, also if you want to take over No. MERCY (trainee), yes I'll give you permission. Once again, I'm really sorry, if I made or release not truth about No. MERCY (trainee).

Sincerly, AlDoKyungSoo — Preceding unsigned comment added by AldoKyungSoo (talk • contribs) 07:22, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

@AlDoKyungSoo: no worries, but the article isn't notable. I just nominated it for Afd and it is up to the other editors to vote on whether to keep it or not. I didn't know you were the creator, I just put it in your talk if you wanted to discuss this. Hope you understand and cheers! Tibbydibby (talk) 21:01, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

dude, let's have a truce

Hey, I know you don't much like me and aren't a fan of many of the things I say, but your responses to me are so extreme and unconstructive. You also make a lot of personal accusations toward me, and that makes me sad. It's one thing to doubt what someone says, but you go beyond that and actually accuse me of just writing whatever notions come into my mind without basis and of having an agenda. I don't know how you expect us to work together when you say that kind of stuff to me. I don't make stuff up and I don't have an agenda, and things I say are my interpretation of real information. I know you may not like what you hear, but there are major problems with restricted expression in Korea media; the fact you haven't at least heard this indicates to me you don't know that much about Korea (no offense). I'm especially shocked as you are apparently a JYJ fan, and some of these issues with expression were really highlighted with their whole post-2009 ordeal. And it's fine if you don't have that particular knowledge, but instead of just attacking me, why don't you ask for clarification, ask for more information, as for a source, something? As it is, you just get mad and you do so over what is a tiny portion of what I was even talking about. I was mostly addressing the issue of the kind of sources currently predominantly being used for kpop music reviews.

I popped off a bit in my response to you on the working group talk page, but basically if we're going to improve kpop articles on Wikipedia, we're going to have to stop irritating each other so much. So far, almost nothing has come out of any of the discussions in which you have responded to me. I don't want that to continue. Please just accept that you don't like the way I phrase some things, but please assume good faith and assume that I'm not lying, that I do have a clue what I'm saying, and I don't have an agenda, even if you don't like what you read. For the betterment of the WikiProject and the kpop articles, can we work toward that? I'll try my best to be less blunt when discussing Korea's imperfections, myself. I'm sorry I've offended you. Shinyang-i (talk) 05:22, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

@Shinyang-i: I don't recall ever saying bad things to you or anything like that. Did you mean any other Wikipedia users? You might have written this to the wrong person as it barely ever made sense to me... Tibbydibby (talk) 05:30, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Oh my god, I'm so sorry. I feel so stupid. I did click on the wrong user name. The person I meant to message starts with the same letter as you. I feel really dumb. You can, uh, freely remove this message. *slinks away in shame* Sorry sorry sorry again! Shinyang-i (talk) 05:43, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

@Shinyang-i: It's okay, I can just strike it out instead just in case you need to Copy & Paste the message. Cheers! Tibbydibby (talk) 05:50, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding. I'm really embarrassed. I don't think I'm going to even pursue it. Everything around here is an uphill battle against ignorance and intentional sabotage. See the troll below for an example. I've always enjoyed working with you. :) Shinyang-i (talk) 05:53, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Tsk Tsk

-Removed Link- is "interesting", to say the least... Cool cool like ice tea (talk) 05:45, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

The person leaving this message is permanently banned from Wikipedia. Just FYI. Shinyang-i (talk) 05:49, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

@Shinyang-i: not going to lie, I actually wanted to just see the URL of that said Wikipedia user on my talk page. Not go to the page but the link text, you know what I mean. XD Tibbydibby (talk) 05:56, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you -- wikilove

Thank you for your hard work. Cmdm4sd40595jdndks (talk) 05:46, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

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