User talk:The Ungovernable Force/Archive2

This page is an archive of previous discussions. Please do NOT edit this page, except for minor things like fixing links. If you would like to continue any of these discussions, start a new section on my active talk page. Thanks.

She's got it wrong

Thewolfstar's attacking you for all the wrong things. It's your vegetarianism that's offensive! (You're made of meat you know - Freud would say its a self-loathing.) Anyway, I think it's about time to protect KingWen's talk page -- any personal attacks you'd like to see removed before I do? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh no! Anyone tries to tell you WP:RPA is policy, you tell them otherwise in a loud voice. It's a disputed guideline. A lot of people, myself included, agree with you that the attacks speak volume more about the attacker than the attacked. (See also Wikipedia talk:Remove personal attacks#Do_not_remove_personal_attacks_directed_to_me.) Anyway, the page is protected. Hope my stupid vegetarianism joke didn't go over like the lead balloon it probably deserved to! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

It is demonstrably true that The Ungovernable Force is made of meat.--Rosicrucian 22:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Lol, that was funny. Thanks! Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 22:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's one of my favorite plays. I got bored today, so I made a userbox out of it too... --Rosicrucian 22:54, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I just saw that, you're on my watchlist (don't worry, it's not for anything bad). What play is it from? Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 22:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Looking at it again I see it was originally just a short story in OMNI Magazine, but I first saw it as a theatrical production, with two silhouettes reading the lines projected against a screen. I later saw it as a short film which I also liked.--Rosicrucian 23:05, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I remember reading that in high school, I think when it was originally published in OMNI. And I loved it and never forgot it. And, yes, my "you're made of meat" is cribbed right from it. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey Rosicrucian, this isn't Nineteen Eighty-Four [1]. Since when did you work for Minitrue? And yes, I'm just joking around. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 20:48, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I am uncertain what you're talking about >_>

England Prevails!--Rosicrucian 02:41, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

For you...

For trying to improve WIkipedia, I, Minun, award you a barnstar —Minun ^{Spiderman • Review Me} 12:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

You've got a Thank you card!

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Open your card!

Dear Force, thank you so much for your beautiful words, your kidness and your trust in me! My Request for Adminship is finally over, and the support and appreciation that the community has gifted me will stick in my mind as long as I live. I have no way to properly express how grateful I am to you for all you've done for me, and all I can tell you is, I'll try not to disappoint you nor anyone else with my use of the buttons... and if I mess up, make sure to come here and give me a good yell! :) Seriously, tho, if you ever need my help, either for admin-related stuff or in any other way, you'll always be welcome to message me, and I promise I'll try my very best.
My dear Force, in these months of friendship we've shared, you've gifted me some of the most beautiful moments a friend can give to another. This whole RfA thing is meaningless when I feel how much I value all we've gone through, and all the kindness and warmth you've selflessly given me; and as long as we remain part of this place, I know I'll enjoy my trip if a great person and friend as you is at my side. For everything you are and everything you've gifted me, dear Force, thank you! :) With a great, big hug, your friend,

Phaedriel ♥ tell me

thanks for stopping by

and leaving your opinion on my page. I never knew anyone ever read that stuff. Anyway after looking at your view of Truth I can see why the concept i was offering was easy to grasp. Your additions were ones I wish I'd thought of. I see your are an anarchist of sorts, i wonder if it was the picture at Haymarket that got you to me? Life is good. Carptrash 04:58, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Inedible foods

Hah, yeah MickyD's might go on there, but actually I was thinking foods that are poisonous unless rendered edible by special preparation or are poisonous if eaten in more than minute quantities. Puffer fish would be the classic example, but I'm sure there are others. Maybe I should call it "List of Poisonous Foods", but I kinda like the contradiction. Aelffin 05:01, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

August Esperanza Newsletter

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Re: Grrrr! How could you?

I wrote a script, that's how! :P It's bundled with the rest of my talk page quickwarn tabs here, and it adds a tab that adds the little template, and saves with an edit summary. I'd be happy to make it standalone from the rest of my tabs, if you'd like. --digital_me^{(Talk•Contribs)} 20:33, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Oooh, shiny

Love the userboxes - namely the police brutality, antifa, and violent resistance ones. Where'd you get them? Would you mind if I borrowed them? Cheers and solidarity. Supersheep 23:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Shiny! I've put them on my page as userboxes so anyone can use them, with full credit to you of course. Supersheep 09:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Esp.

Thank you :-) Matthew Fenton (Talk | Contribs) 11:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

anthropology

Well you have me thinking. I took a couple anthro classes in college because I liked the teacher and that was about 1970. I am definately interested in the study of man, but am more used to approaching it from a spiritual perspective rather than a scientific one. In my life i do a lot of shamanic wor for example. More impotantly though, I am engaged in two or three massive wikiprojects that pretty much suck up my wikitime. So . . ..... what was your question again? point me somewhere and I'll check it out. Carptrash 14:22, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

reminder

Yesterday you asked people to remind you about cleaning up the article on Refused Are Fucking Dead. Plinth molecular gathered 17:21, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Anthropology wikiproject

I would be very interested in helping out. I have a lot of resources at my university than i can utilize and first hand expeirence if that helps. Just let me know.--Tainter 17:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation. I have no academic or professional background in anthropology and at present have limited time to devote to individual WikiProjects, so will demur. Nevertheless, I hope I will contribute positively on an informal basis. Best of luck. -choster 17:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Feminist anthropology and a hello

Hey. That looks like an important and interesting topic. That I unfortunately don't know a lot about. Maybe I could look into it more and help out. A wikiproject would be nice as well. Though I think I have more to learn than to contribute, at this point. I love anthropology, but only ever had time to take three classes in it. Although I guess I know the parts that overlap with sociology pretty well.

I've been kind of stressed out and down lately, so I haven't much felt like doing things on here, except doing busy work when I'm trying to keep from moping. I don't much feel like going into it on here. It seems petty compared to a lot of other things. Though if you did want to talk, you have my email. Owen 21:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Oops, apparently I had only authenticated it, but hadn't enabled email from others. Though I suppose I have your address now anyway. Owen 21:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm a bit better. Stressed but fine. But let's see how this goes, it's about time it had a project. Owen 21:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Clyde

It's ok UF, Clyde's just jealous of us friendly Esperanzians. I'll report his comment to AN/I, although I honestly doubt anything will happen since there seems to be a double standard in favor towards "wikipedia policies" when it comes to administrators. Attic Owl 02:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Will do. Best wishes, and good luck while I'm away. --AaronS 02:34, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject Proposal

Hi, I am posting this message to everyone who has edited on animal rights or animal welfare related articles in the last couple of months. I have just created a proposal for a WikiProject to help co-ordinate editors on the many articles under the mentioned subjects. If you would like to find out about it or show your support for such a project, please visit User:Localzuk/Animal Rights Proposal and Wikipedia:WikiProject/List of proposed projects#WikiProject Animal Rights and Welfare. Cheers, Localzuk ^(talk) 10:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

FAR of anarcho-capitalism

You might want to take a look at it, as they are closing the vote. --AaronS 18:07, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, re: Anthro wikiproject?

I am just getting up to talk, it wasnt obvious to me -- but sure, would be happy to help out on anthro pages; not too much time but point me to a page or a question one in a while; will look at the project site too. See youre an anarchist, this is fine; this is --Douglas R. White 21:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC) (Doug)

reply to your welcome

yea, I'm a newbe and everybody needs a guru -- have the most trouble with talk --> I see your msg on my ID page, and am now replying on yours, it that the way its done? or is there some move that is more direct? == and again -- ok, I set up my user page so people can contact me, I think this talk business is getting clear to me as between user page, discussion page, editing one or the other or someone elses. pretty neat. If this is anarchy, I love it --Douglas R. White 21:54, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Libertarian socialist?

I saw you identify yourself as a libertarian socialist. I think that is a contradiction in terms. Socialism is a top-down phylosophy (it is imposed from the top), and libertarianism is bottom-up (it is supposed to empower the individual). Can you explain your position? :) Dullfig 03:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Response on your talk page. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 07:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for welcoming me to Esperanza, and I didn't mind at all being welcomed twice. :) I'm on RL vacation right now but in a few days I'll be able to start helping out a bit. Happy editing! SWAdair 10:52, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Watch page and Redirect question

Finally figured out the watch option thanks, very useful. Question: the term "Social anthropology" redirects to cultural anthropology when it should go to "Social Anthropology." Actually the name "Social Anthropology" should be just "Social anthropology" no caps on second word and THEN the old redirect should from "Social Anthropology" to "Social anthropology." I know how to do a #redirect from scratch but not how to redirect a redirect.... --Douglas R. White 15:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Unfairness and injustice to young editor

Look, Ungovernable Force, I know you are annoyed with me because you believe I'm another user. I'm not, but that is not why I am talking to you now. Do you remember a conversation that was on the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents concerning 3 young editors and whether they should be allowed to edit? They were being attacked because of their young age and it was said that maybe they shouldn't be allowed to edit because they were too young. I respected what you said in defense of these editors. It seems to have been removed now from the archive page. I can't find it now in any case. One of the editors that was discussed was User:Abdullah Geelah He, Abdullah Geelah, just left a message on my page and told me that User:The Anome has vandalized his page. "Hi this user has deleted all the information on my userpage and removed my edit history! go look at my userpage and edit count has dropped from 2000 edits to 1000 no thanks to him I'm really anoyyed especially when i m on holiday they do that he had no permission what so ever.." (Also, before this, User:S-man and User:Cute 1 4 u have been blocked indefinitely. I don't know too much about them or why they were blocked. S-man may have done some vandalism.)

But Abdullah Geelah is a prolific contributor and a great person. He is 13, but so what? If a person contributes to Wikipedia should their age make a difference? He has never done one wrong thing that I know of! According to the post that disappeared, there is a 14 year old bureaucrat on Wikipedia! I come to you because you seem to be a person who fights against wrongdoing, you are familiar with this case and you have experience on Wikipedia. Please help Abdullah even if you don't like me because of some past editor who you think I am. Thanks, Ungovernable Force,

Whiskey Rebellion

19:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Edukators

I watched this awesome film for the first time today, and went to imdb.com afterwards, as is my wont. according to a discussion thread, the maid at the end speaks in catalan, and the end titles show the satalite island, so i assumed they had gone to barcelona. i like to think the older guy found out her appartment, and it was him that put the note there, and called the rozzers in jest ;) Gareth E Kegg 21:54, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for helping.

Whiskey Rebellion

05:02, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Boston Tea Party

Howdy, I noticed that you and I seem to post in one or two articles dealing with progressive issues in political science/sociology. There's currently a debate beginning in Boston Tea Party as to whether the article should include the category [2]. It meets definitions set in the articles Terrorism and Definition of terrorism, however, there are several self-proclaimed patriots who watch BTP who refuse to recognise the fact. The simple criteria for terrorism generally seem to be intimidation or destruction of property in order to change public policy or public opinion while a state of war has not yet been declared. Some users would rather use recent acts of terrorism as a yardstick, rather than using a firm definition, and hence lose their ability to discuss matters calmly. Would you be able to pop in to the Talk page and join in the discussion? Thanks much, samwaltz 05:02, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The Wikipedian cinema

Hi UGF, I've done a temporary replacement of your chosen image (Image:MaskedIcon.jpg) with the one from your userpage. The original was deleted because it was released with non commercial use retrictions. Please change it if you want to. I also just had a quick read of your userpage, very interesting stuff and some good food for thought ... :-) I'll come back and read in more detail later. Cheers. --Cactus.man ✍ 09:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Noticed on [[Journalist|Orane]]'s talk page...

…that you said you are now 19 (or rather, turned 19). Could I be so nosy and blunt as to ask you when your birthday is? ;) —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-¢|ε|Ŀ|T|♪-) 00:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually it is. My birthday is July 30 (1987 as it may be assumed). Pardon the Irish curiosity. —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-¢|ε|Ŀ|T|♪-) 16:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

RE: Recipe for beanburgers

I've put it on the Wikibooks Cookbook here. Thanks and have fun! —Celestianpower ^háblame 07:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Thanks, it was great :) Romania is a wonderful country :) - FrancisTyers · 22:40, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

response

I'd like to but I think it goes against Wiki policy. Whiskey Rebellion 04:46, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

For overly serious Wikipedians: The preceding comment was a joke and should not be taken seriously. Whiskey Rebellion

Esperanza member list question

I'm not an active member yet, and I know I fulfill the requirements. Which section should I add my name if I want to join? I think the page is not entirely clear, perhaps you should add a section called "Wikipedians who want to join Esperanza" or something. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

thanks

for the calming message. i was only joking bout aaron being my sock- thought it was funny. i also thought it was clear we had different writing styles but i guess that is too subtle a point for some. solitdarity, Blockader 18:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Punk music

Whats up? Hi, I'm trying to gather some more interest and support for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Punk music. Please check out the topics and lets get our WikiProject to function better. I've taken an interest in the Wikipedia:WikiProject hip hop and I consider that WikiProject to be better developed. Hopefully we can all work together to improve articles relating to punk. Also, I am trying to gather support and opinions concerning the punk house article and specifically the Theta Beta Potata article which is currently in AfD (x2) at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Theta Beta Potata (second nomination). Please check it out and voice your opinion. Xsxex 06:55, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

FYI

Thanks for the heads-up. I have still been looking at the article, just not so closely, and I haven't known so much what's going on. Whiskey Rebellion looks like a clear problem user with a very distorted perspective similar to that of Lingeron, but honestly I haven't been around enough lately at this point to make any sort of judgement regarding who is operating as a sockpuppet. Owen 07:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Ishmael

Hi, just thought you might want to use this... {{User Ishmael}} —scarecroe 19:23, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I haven't been overreacting?

Have I? You see, I'm a bit of an idiot: I believe in Wiki, and I know where its weakness lies: it being open to attack in bad faith and through quasi-scholarly manipulation, which is why DTC distresses me so much. It reveals the faillings of the naive anarchism Wiki is built on, which can only be solved by communities around immidiate interest... Perhaps I am taking it a bit serious, hell, even with his vandalism the article is far better than most easily available sources. But Aaron has called it quits - these twits make being here rather bloody hard. --GoodIntentions^talk 05:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

re : Hey, cool pic!

hello...The Ungovernable Force nice to see someone that care about our movement here in indonesia. yes the muslim fundamentalists was a problem, but not too serious i think...;)..i'd like to tell you more...but my english was so bad :D...anyway...are you join with any group in your local?? --HarisX 19:36, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Class conflict

I've nominated the article for Wikipedia:Article Creation and Improvement Drive, feel like supporting it? Donnacha 16:01, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Robbery

I bogarted your EZLN and gun control user boxes. Property is Theft! :) Blockader 16:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Polls:

Hi. I'm just sending out a message for a new study I will be undertaking soon. It will involve surveys & polls to gather information & trends of editors on Wikipedia & other subjects. The data gathering will involve yourself recieving a questionaire on your talk page for you to fill out. I will then collect your questionaire & combine it with data from other editors. If you would like to be a part of this experiment, or know of someone who does, place a "Yes" or "No" below this message. Remember, it's only for fun & you can choose not to fill out all or parts of your questionaire once they arrive. Have a nice day... -- Spawn Man 06:34, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Sure. I'm rebelling against your stuffy dichotomy of "yes" vs "no" ;) Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 00:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

It's great to have you aboard. Your view shall give me an... um.. interesting view point. :). Thanks. I'll send out the first questionaire once I have enough people. Spawn Man 06:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Ian Stuart

How I know it's true? I think it's not true and if still think it is, give me a source. 87.203.207.163 07:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

1st poll:

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• Question 1: Do you feel that other Wikipedians are as nice (or as horrible!) as when you started editing Wikipedia as a registered user?
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• Question 8: Have you ever taken a "Wikibreak" due to stress from other editors?
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Anthropology Wikiproject

I would be very interested in helping to set up such a wikiproject.

Bishonen's page re: removal of suspected sockpuppet tags

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bishonen/Archive_16#Question_about_sockpuppet_tags

Question about sockpuppet tags "Hi, I just left a message on Bunchofgrape's talk page about this, but I don't think they're online right now (but according to my watchlist, you are. Anyway, User:DTC who some suspect of being a sock of User:RJII has been removing the tag on their userpage that says they are suspected of being a sock. I don't know if they are or not (although they do seem quite similar to RJII). What I want to know is, what is the policy regarding removing such notices? Thanks. Ungovernable ForceThe Wiki Kitchen! 07:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC) It's not much use invoking policy where removing tags from userpages is concerned: the community is divided and the policies and guidelines are warzones. See for instance Wikipedia:Removing warnings--not strictly relevant, as sock tags are neither warnings nor on talkpages, but still. I would go with common sense: how good is the suspicion? Are reasons given for it, beyond "See contribs" (yes, a very little more), was it added by a respected editor (yes, I believe it was, though I don't know User:Good Intentions)? It sounds as if you've researched DTC's "content and style". From that, do you think it's a RJII sock? (You don't have to be sure, as it's a tag for suspected, not ascertained, puppetry.) If you do, it would be appropriate to ask an admin to put the tag back and protect the page. However, I do not personally think it would ever be right to block or threaten an editor over the removals (suppose they're not a sock after all?), only to keep the tag in place. I'm willing to do that if you request it--if you strongly suspect they're a sock. Bishonen | talk 07:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)."

So forgive me, Ungovernable Force, if I remove this offensive thing from my page, as according to Bishonen, it is okay to do so. Whiskey Rebellion 05:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think the situation is a lot more obvious now. Besides, you are suspected, and that's a fact. A lot, and I really do mean a lot of people suspect it. Regardless, since I don't want to start a huge edit war over it, I won't revert it. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 05:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

A lot of people, and I mean a lot, suspect that you and AaronS are mean vindictive people. But I don't see them putting mean templates on your page. In all fairness I could do that. How do you think you would like it if someone did that to you? I don't think you'd feel happy about it. I won't go off the topic anymore like I did today at talk:anarchism. I don't even know if I want to edit there anymore at all, anyway. Whiskey Rebellion 05:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, and how many of those people are banned now or sockpuppets of banned users? If you don't count them, you probably won't find too many people. Besides, there are no "mean" templates, and that serves no purpose. Alerting the general community to a possible sock of a banned user does however serve a community purpose. And I think you're smart enough to realize that. And why do you keep focusing on Aaron, he isn't even around anymore? Do you have some vendetta against him that runs so far into the past you can't get over it or something? Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 05:55, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't have any vendetta against Aaron. He seems to have one against me and DTC, though. He is the one who has attacked both of us repeatedly. I was only reacting to him and the way he talks and acts. I don't have any vendetta against you either. I have read several archive pages of talk:anarchism. Why do you accuse so many people of being sockpuppets? And what did RJII, Hogeye and Thewolfstar do to you that you have a wanted dead or alive thing on your page? Why do you hate them so much? And what did I ever do to you? I can't think of anything. Whiskey Rebellion 06:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

If you don't know, well, then frankly you haven't looked into it enough. RJII's last message is a pretty good indication of why I don't like him. Thewolfstar has exhausted the community's (and my) patience many times with numerous socks, and Hogeye's incredibly disruptive. All three made copious personal attacks, and some really nasty ones too. The "Dead or Alive" part is tounge-in-cheek. I do however want to see every last sock of those three indef blocked. It is my own admitted vendetta. And why do I accuse so many people? Because so many of them are socks. I find it interesting that the only people who have wondered what I had against those three have all turned out so far to be socks of one of them themself. And it doesn't reflect well on you if you can't see what's wrong with the edits of those three. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 06:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I haven't even looked into the edits of those three. The only thing I did was check Lingeron's talk page. So hold on and there you go jumping to conclusions again. You still didn't answer my question. You did say "RJII's last message is a pretty good indication of why I don't like him." What message? Is it on his talk page? I'll check it out. Whiskey Rebellion 06:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

You say you looked through the archives, and enough of their edits are there that you should have some idea why everyone dislikes them. The message was originally on the user page, which has been deleted by an admin. Parts are in the history of the talk page. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 06:41, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[3] and [4]. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 06:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Whoa. I just read about 90% of the edit you pointed me to. Yeah. It was intense. At the end I got the feeling he was pulling everybody's leg, though. I'm not sure. I will say it was ultra weird. Do you think he was serious? I'm not sure. Whiskey Rebellion 07:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I read only a few edits by Hogeye. He was a little rough in the way he talked. But many people were being sort of mean to him. I looked at Thewolfstar's talk page a little bit ago. Without making any preconceived judgements on me, can you just point me to some of her nasty comments? I believe you that she made them. If you look at her page they were not that obvious right there. I didn't read the whole page, either, though. Can you just show me the nasty comments? Thanks. Whiskey Rebellion 07:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

About RJII, most everyone agrees he had dilusions of granduer, but I think he may have been serious. He was purposefully trying to screw with people though. All I know about hogeye is he seemed to initiate most of it himself. Not to mention all the block evasion and disruptive editing. As for the wolfstar, the best bet is to probably read her talkpage (you may need to look in the history). Here's a comment made by Lingeron a confirmed sock of thewolfstar. [5]. KingWen's talk page speaks for itself. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 18:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your responses. I'll check out the links you just gave me but they're to Lingeron and KingWen. I don't know any of these users, but you specifically said something about Thewolfstar. I did go over much of her talk page. I'm just curious about these nasty comments she made and also why you and Aaron hate her so much. Did she piss you off at anarchism? Another weird thing that makes no sense is (what I mentioned on the Thoreau talk page). On the an/i page (where Aaron originally commented about how he thought I was Thewolfstar). Right before his comment there was this thing where two editors found Thewolfstar2 and next Thewolfstar3. One user was Swatjester and the other was Musical Linguist. Thewolfstars were bots that messed up pages and they both got blocked. They didn't seem anything like Lingeron or Thewolfstar or any editor I've seen. Next thing, after I told you about it, the two new wolfstars disappeared and the discussion on the an/i page disappeared..and it got erased out of history. Isn't it only the admins that can delete stuff out of history? That was really weird. Well thanks for answering. Whiskey Rebellion 02:17, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

In retrospect, this is a really freakin' weird conversation. Willies! --AaronS 01:15, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, well, I knew it was a sock the whole time, I just felt like humoring her. It was pretty weird even at the time, and I knew it. It was typical wolfstar. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 01:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you! :) I don't understand why people like that keep trying. As if she is going to get around us. --Woohookitty^(meow) 05:30, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Whoops. Didn't mean to remove the whole thing. --Woohookitty^(meow) 06:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Oops, sorry

I accidentaly added someone else, then changed it to myself. Hello32020 02:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you very much for your comments on WP:ANI. I doubt that this means that I'll be sticking around, but thanks for the compliment, anyways. I wouldn't worry too much about anarchism. At the end of the day, what a Wikipedia article says about a particular subject is not important. Best of luck to you. --AaronS 01:10, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Unprotecting Anarchism

I'll ask on the talk page what people think. --Woohookitty^(meow) 06:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Grad school

Reading Foucault, Sartre, Derrida, Camus, and others in different French and philosophy courses attracted me to the subject. I've also studied in France several times. So, I simply combined my three favorite subjects: French, philosophy, and literature. I'll be applying to seven different schools, listed in the order of how good their program is for me: Johns Hopkins (the best), Harvard, NYU, Yale, UC Berkeley, UC Irvine, and Princeton. After graduate school, I'll in all likelihood become a professor of some sort. --AaronS 13:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Response

Yes, you are most likely correct. I thought that I responded to this last night, but it musn't have saved correctly. --AaronS 13:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Communism template

Point taken. But ironic or not, the essence of my statement remains true: that the hammer and sickle is the most identifiable symbol of communism, because the Marxist-Leninists who glorified it were the most powerful Communists the world has ever seen. Das Kapital is simply not an acceptable alternative: although it is generally respected by communists, it is not a representation or symbol of the communist movement. -- WGee 01:25, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

2nd Poll:

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Poll 2 - Writing subjects

• Question 1: When you edit or write articles on Wikipedia, do you specialise, or tend to write about a single or select topic range? For example, only frogs or only movies.
  • A)Yes. B)No. C)I have a few topics I write about. D)Don't know. E)Other... (Please explain). F)Abstain.

• Question 2: If you have more than only one topic range, what are the top 3 topics or subjects you write about on Wikipedia? For example, frogs, movies & cars.
  • A)My top 3 are... B)I have less than 3 topic ranges. C)Don't know. D)Other... (Please explain). E)Abstain.

• Question 3: Have you ever written or edited an article about your home town or the city you live in?
  • A)Yes. B)No. C)Briefly. D)Don't know. E)Other... (Please explain). F)Abstain.

• Question 4: Have you ever edited what was, or turned out to be, a controversial subject or article in current news or on Wikipedia?
  • A)Yes. B)No. C)Not sure. D)Other... (Please explain). F)Abstain.

• Question 5: Have you ever reverted vandalism?
  • A)Yes. B)No. C)Not sure. D)Other... (Please explain). E)Abstain.

• Question 6: Have you ever helped get an article to Featured Article status?
  • A)Yes. B)No. C)I helped partly. D)I've edited a Featured Article after it was promoted, but never helped to get one featured. E)Not sure. F)Other... (Please explain). G)Abstain.

• Question 7: Do you find it difficult to think of things to write about on Wikipedia?
  • A)Yes. B)No. C)Sometimes. D)Not sure. E)Other... (Please explain). F)Abstain.

• Question 8: On Wikipedia, do you edit articles to do with Wikipedia policies & voting etc more frequently than you edit actual encyclopedic articles?
  • A)Yes. B)No. C)I have an equal mix of the two. D)Occasionally. E)Not sure. F)Other... (Please explain). G)Abstain.

• Question 9: Do you wish there was a Wikipedia article about your life?
  • A)Yes. B)No. C)Sometimes. D)Not sure. E)Other... (Please explain). F)Abstain.

• Question 10: Would you like to expand the range of topics you write about on Wikipedia?
  • A)Yes. B)No. C)Sometimes. D)I don't know. E)Other... (Please explain). F)Abstain.

• Question 11: Do you usually write about topics that are to do with your job, school or hobbies?
  • A)Yes. B)No. C)Sometimes. D)I don't work, I've never been to school & I don't have hobbies. :(. E)I don't know. F)Other... (Please explain). G)Abstain.

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No problem

Sorry for the mistake :) - FrancisTyers · 18:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Cheers

Thanks for clearing the crap off my page. Btw. Donnacha's a man's name (and, by extension...). Donnacha 20:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Heh, no worries, most people get it wrong. I suppose if I spelt my name in the original way - Donnchadh - there'd be slightly less tendency for people to think I'm a woman, but the mispronunciations would be far worse! The proper pronunciation in English is Dun-ah-ka with both spellings, but I rarely get that outside Ireland. Donnacha 13:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

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The thing on my page

Why did you put that strange box on my page? What does it mean? Rule by Secrecy 05:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC) I just read up on sockpuppets. I'm afraid you're wrong. I'm not a sockpuppet or impersonator. You see this - Rule by Secrecy - that's me. Rule by Secrecy 05:47, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

You're not fooling anyone. Don't message me again unless you decide to stop your charade. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 03:54, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Ha ha, nevermind, you've already been blocked. That last comment goes for whatever new sock you come up with though. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 04:39, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

That goes for you, too, ???. Now there's about 10 or 11 of us that think you are an @#!?. Don't message you? Stay the <> away from me and from my friends. Leave Hogeye alone and all the others that you strive to drive away from anarchism. Face, it Governable, you're not an anarchist. And you'll never come close to getting Emma Goldman, Thoreau, or any anarchist. You're a ^^^ o*i*n*k*. I see you're a feminist. What a joke. That's like a white yuppie being a bad-assed ()(). What would you know about being a woman? Of course, you know more about that than I do, too. You are a yuppie. Andromeda466 08:45, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Your "friends"? Don't you mean your alternate personalities/sockpuppets? I would call you schizo, but that would be offensive to people with real mental illnesses. And how do you know anything about my financial situation? Yuppie? Hardly, grew up on welfare and food stamps. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 03:39, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Image:Food Not Bombs logo.png

Unless you can provide verifiable evidence that the creator of this logo released the image to the public domain, Wikipedia may be infringing on someone's copyright. Leave it as a logo tag until you can prove it is public domain. Otherwise I will nominate the image for deletion as an unfree image, -Thanks Nv8200p talk 21:59, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid he's right :( We can't be too careful about copyright. Sad but true. - FrancisTyers · 23:03, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 23:06, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Have Keith send you an e-mail stating he is the author of the logo and that he releases the image into the public domain or that is for free use but that he wants to retain copyright. The wording must state one of those options specifically, not just you have my permission to use it. That is too vague. The text of the e-mail along with Keith's e-mail address (for verification, if anyone wants to) should be placed on the image talk page. (See Image talk:Zebra finch.jpg as an example). That should do it. Then feel free to re-tag the image.

If Keith releases the image to the public domain, please use the PD-release tag not the PD-ineligible tag. -Thanks Nv8200p talk 02:16, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, you may want to contact the webmaster of the Food not Bombs web site (or maybe Keith could arrange it) and ask him/her to put a line like "Information presented anywhere on this website is released to the public domain and may be distributed or copied freely to spread the word." on their home page. Well, that may be overly dramatic, but you get the idea. -Thanks Nv8200p talk 02:24, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the delayed reply. Wiki should have a means of sending the user a message to their home email address when a new message is posted. Or maybe they can, but I've missed it.

Anyway, yes, I'll join your project.

--->Susan

Anarcho-capitalism

You might want to take a look at this article. The lead, in particular, has been gradually POV'd by anarcho-capitalists. I think another FAR is in order; perhaps I can start one this weekend, unless you beat me to it. -- WGee 22:05, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Poll 1 - Wikipedian relationships RESULTS

Poll 1 - Wikipedian relationships

• Question 1: Do you feel that other Wikipedians are as nice (or as horrible!) as when you started editing Wikipedia as a registered user?
  • A)Yes. B)No. C)Roughly about the same. D)Don't know. E)Other... (Please explain). F)Abstain.

• Question 2: If you answered "No" above, how have other Wikipedian's attitudes changed?
  • A)They have grown nicer. B)They have grown meaner. C)Don't know. D)Other... (Please explain). E)Abstain.

• Question 3: Are admins as nice as you think they should be? If you're an admin, try to be truthful...
  • A)Yes. B)No, they are nicer. C)No, they are meaner/grumpier. D)Not sure. E)Other... (Please explain). F)Abstain.

• Question 4: Have you ever been in a serious dispute on Wikipedia?
  • A)Yes. B)No, I've never been in a dispute. C)No, I've only been in minor disputes. D)Not sure. E)Other... (Please explain). F)Abstain.

• Question 5: Have you ever been blocked from editing Wikipedia?
  • A)Yes. B)No. C)Not sure. (You can find out by checking "My contributions" & selecting "block log"). D)Other... (Please explain). E)Abstain.

• Question 6: Have you ever met another editor on Wikipedia in real life?
  • A)Yes. B)No. C)Not sure. D)Other... (Please explain). E)Abstain.

• Question 7: Do you enjoy communicating or working with other editors on Wikipedia?
  • A)Yes. B)No. C)Sometimes. D)Not sure. E)Other... (Please explain). F)Abstain.

• Question 8: Have you ever taken a "Wikibreak" due to stress from other editors?
  • A)Yes. B)No. C)No, I've only taken a "Wikibreak" due to un-editor related stress. D)Not sure. E)Other... (Please explain). F)Abstain.

• Question 9: Have you ever collaborated on an article with another editor on Wikipedia?
  • A)Yes. B)No. C)Several times. D)Not sure. E)Other... (Please explain). F)Abstain.

• Question 10: Do you envy other editors on Wikipedia for their achievements or good fortune? Be honest...
  • A)Yes. B)No. C)Sometimes. D)I don't know. E)Other... (Please explain). F)Abstain.

Poll 1 - Wikipedian relationships - RESULTS

These are the results for Poll 1 - Wikipedian relationships. For the actual questions see above. Other (please explain) answers may have their text placed into these results for clarity. However, only a selection of Other (please explain) samples may be included if full selection is too big. Options not expressed means that nobody picked them. Any thoughts are appreciated.

• Question 1: Of the 14 editors to answer Q1; 3 editors (21%) chose option A), 6 editors (43%) chose option B), 2 editors (14%) chose option C), 1 editor (7%) chose option D) & 2 editors (14%) chose option E), saying "People need to be nicer to one another. The other site I tend to inhabit is much more civil, and always has been" & "It really depends on the individual; some are as nice as ever while others have acquired noticeably dourer dispositions."

• Question 2: Of the 7 editors to answer Q2; 3 editors (43%) chose option A), 2 editors (29%) chose option B) & 2 editors (29%) chose option D), saying "The focus needs to be more on building the encyclopedia, and less on internal politics, in my opinion" & "Passive aggressiveness is more prominent than before."

• Question 3: Of the 14 editors to answer Q3; 4 editors (29%) chose option A), 2 editors (14%) chose option C), 3 editors (21%) chose option D) & 5 editors (36%) chose option E), saying "Admins need to realize their behaviors reflect on the entire Wikipedia community" & "Again, it depends on the individual" & "Administrators are not as professional as they should be."

• Question 4: Of the 14 editors to answer Q4; 8 editors (57%) chose option A), 5 editors (36%) chose option C) & 1 editor (7%) chose option E), saying "It depends on the definition of "serious". I've been involved in some that got fairly acrimonious, but mostly over things that might be considered relatively trivial in some quarters."

• Question 5: Of the 14 editors to answer Q5; 1 editor (7%) chose option A), 11 editors (79%) chose option B) & 2 editors (14%) chose option D), saying "Yes but it was overturned" & "I was blocked by accident when someone hacked my email."

• Question 6: Of the 14 editors to answer Q6; 5 editors (36%) chose option A), 7 editors (50%) chose option B) & 2 editors (14%) chose option C).

• Question 7: Of the 14 editors to answer Q7; 8 editors (57%) chose option A), 4 editors (29%) chose option C) & 2 editors (14%) chose option E), saying "For the most part, yes" & "Yes, but not always (but more than 'Sometimes')."

• Question 8: Of the 14 editors to answer Q8; 5 editors (36%) chose option A), 6 editors (43%) chose option B), 2 editors (14%) chose option C) & 1 editor (7%) chose option E), saying "Only to deal with real life time consuming things."

• Question 9: Of the 14 editors to answer Q9; 9 editors (64%) chose option A), 1 editor (7%) chose option B), 3 editors (21%) chose option C), & 1 editor (7%) chose option E), saying "I suppose I have, but not directly. I haven't spoken to someone directly and said, okay let's work on this together."

• Question 10: Of the 14 editors to answer Q10; 2 editors (14%) chose option A), 7 editors (50%) chose option B), 4 editors (29%) chose option C) & 1 editor (7%) chose option D).

Hope you enjoy the results which you, the editors of Wikipedia, changed in every way. Have a ncie day! -- Spawn Man 10:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Hogeye

Oi vey. Yeah I know that he's been a "problem" in the past. I'll see what I can do. Thanks for letting me know. --Woohookitty^(meow) 23:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Looks like he's been dealt with for now. Content forks are not allowed. Period. Thanks for the heads up again. --Woohookitty^(meow) 04:19, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll take a look again. --Woohookitty^(meow) 11:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Anarchism

Why are you so obsessed with it? :P —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  18:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Are you serious? Well, I guess because I'm an anarchist. That seems like a good reason, right? It's one of those things that you need to be a part of to really understand. When you are involved in a philosophy and a movement that places you in such stark opposition with mainstream thinking and acting you just end up getting really involved. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 04:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh. I don't get it. But, I won't attack you like the IP down ↓ there ↓ did. —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  03:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

i appreciate it too

thank you for finally saying pop punk sucks. like i always say you cant buy punk at "hot topic" , it has to be inside of you. fellow punk-User:blades2121

on Fascism

No offense taken, and I understand your quesry. But let me first say that you either have a misinformed view (no thanks to the misrepresentation promoted by the democratic system) or perhaps as you stated don't know enough about Fascism. There has been a lot said over the years and the ideology/philosophy has been raped to the point of no return, neo-Fascists today do not represent the Fascist way nor to neo-Nazis or any other racist organisation. That being said, totalitarianism is not a form of Fascist state either, but rather Authoritarianism is. I am not here to try to propogate the true essence of Fascism as this encyclopedia is clearly a unified project that adheres tot he collective intelligence (though I use this term loosely) of the users involved. If anything wikipedia to an extent is pro-Fascist to the extent that it is "attempting" to unify the people in progressing our culture via entries to record history and information. However, that is where the Fascist ideals end. Someone being dictatorial or working towards their own goals and/or ambitions is not a Fascist principle, this has been misguided through the media and society ever since WW2 - when ever someone is being aggressively dictatorial or doing what they wish with complete disregard to others people claim they are "fascist" however this could be nothing further from the truth. Albeit there have been leaders "affiliated" to Fascism i.e. Adolf Hitler who perhaps did disregard his public (but then my views on that are also different from the majorical pov), and therefore lost the war - but this is not to say he is a Fascist. Fascism believes in Truth, and it also believes in individual liberties which is not respected within the democratic system which relies heavily on the liberties of the majority. So in otherwords similar to communism, and equality of all under the preservation of the state. The true irony is that those people pointing fingers against Fascism for being so-called "fascist" and evil and "divisive" and dictatorial are being attacked by the same people who defend democracy and freedom of speech. Do you not find the problem in that? Thank you for your time and I always welcome questions and interesting debate with likened individuals. Piecraft 11:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I am not an advocate of democracy, it does not say that anywhere on my userpage, and if it does then it has been put there without my knowing (unless you are referring to Dormantfascist's userpage which is where we are having this discussion). Also, Fascism ≠ Racism. If anything democracy enables racism to continue in our society, Fascism does not take into account the division of its people by "race", it is purely Dawrinist in its belief that the whole of the nation should evolve as an organism and it does not segragate people by the colour of their skin or any other pigmentation. In the 1920s up until the 50s it was common for racial matters to be everywhere therefore when you put forward the fact that perhaps Fascists of the time were "racist" you need to look around at all the other people of the time and you'll see it was the "colonial" attitude of the times, in any case look where the independence of many colonies resulted in? chaos and disorder, no thanks to the promotion of democratic free will. I do not even consider race, I do however acknowledge cultural background and heritage which I find are important, especially in a time where the globalization of the world and multiculturalism melting pot is destroying cultures. Look on my userpage and you will see that I do not believe in the existence of "human races" other than a concept of mankind as a social construct. Piecraft 14:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

You are a filthy, filthy anarchist.

Get a clue, mate. Go and die. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.24.110.94 (talk • contribs)

Ooo, so brave aren't we, using an IP instead of revealing your real identity. Chances are you're indef blocked (wolfstar, hogeye?) so I guess you can't. Gee, too bad. So, did that make you feel better--pathetic. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 07:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

What's so wrong with anarchy? --Yancyfry jr

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Merry Christmas!

To: The Ungovernable Force

From: Dr Santa

I think I should point out that 203.24.110.94 is not blocked... not even a warning. Dr Santa - talk 17:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

nice

userboxes, i agree with all of them except the ones with punk music :) punk almost sucks if it wherent for 1 or 2 punkbands i actually like. do you use last.fm ? Foant 11:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

need help

How can I place things like "This user is a citizen of the world" in my user page. Please help

PS: Here is a nice flash you might like Cows with Guns: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/104604

Anarchism and anarcho-capitalism

In case you haven't seen it, the AnCaps are trying to delete the Anarchism and anarcho-capitalism article [6]. Donnacha 23:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

SCUM Manifesto

Yes, I gotta say that I agree with some of it. Mostly, though, I appreciate the work as an outrageous polemic with which one need not agree entirely. Some of the points raised and characterisations are just spot-on. AnAn 06:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

wolf in our midst?

keep an eye on Imagination débridée at anarchism, I suspect another thewolfstar sock. Blockader 16:37, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

External Links

Hey UF,

I looked briefly at the thing you asked about on Bishonen's page. At first glance, Chuck's insertion of that link appears to contradict items 2 and 3 of the section detailing "Links normally to be avoided" in Wikipedia:External links. Inserting a link to a page your yourself manage is especially bad form, but it's also the case that external links should be to reliable sources. I might be missing some nuance here though. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Boo

Hey, long time no talk. How've you been? I decided to have a look around wikipedia again, see what's what. Won't be doing anything heavy though - can't stand fanatics. But, I'll do what I can. Anyway, if there's anything that I should know, like recent events on wiki, just drop me a message. :) -- infinity0 00:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Hogeye and RJII blocked? Nice, but new POV-pushers keep popping up. You'd think they'd have learnt by now. :( User:PlayersPlace reverted two of my edits on anarchism and anarchism and anarcho-capitalism without discussing them. Do you know who this is? For now, I'm gonna slap a sockpuppet tag on his page since all his edits have been reversions to anarchist articles. -- infinity0 15:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Happy Columbus Day

Hope you have a good one! Bigkev 04:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

What's the big idea? Are you trying to be funny or what? It's not. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 04:56, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Merely taking advantages of your free speech zone.Bigkev 05:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Does your page often attract neo-Nazis? :^) This is actually the only self-proclaimed Hitlerite I've encountered on Wikipedia; he's Catholic, too, which is a pity to me. -- WGee 02:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

why would it? i'm interested in the days of the Reich not skinhead punks! I have never once said im was a Nazi and im not. As for those that are they all get banned by anti-white,PC thugs . Its a pity that im Catholic? no respect for fellow brethren? Bigkev 09:29, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Crying Wolf

Thats right, check out Doctors Without Suspenders and see what you think. piece, Blockader 20:53, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Use of the Word Terroist

In light of the discussion concerning the use of the word terrorist in relation to the Al-Qaeda organzation, I have made a RfC. If you would like to comment, you can do so here. Thank you Trojan traveler 03:12, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Ann Coulter

Please stop comparing Ann Coulter to the Islamofascist outfit Al-Qaeda. Ms. Coulter is a brave, smart and beautiful woman and her ideas are respected by many people across the world. Likening Ms. Coulter to an Islamofascist gang would offend many users. Please stop. Also, the userboxes on your page (mainly the ones calling President Bush a "fascist" and the one claimng you are being spied on by the US government) are highly offensive, and may even be libellous in nature. If you want me to modify my userpage, modify yours first. Cerebral Warrior 07:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Did I ever say you should modify your userpage? I don't like it, but people have the right to show there bigotry here if they feel like it. And neither of those boxes, nor what I said about Coulter, are anywhere near libel. American law requires libel to be false and knowingly false to the defendant with malicious intent. Also, due to freedom of speech there is a lot of leeway given in matters of political commentary. And I'm sorry, I truly believe that Coulter is a hateful bigot and I really don't think of her as any better than an "islamofascist" in terms of her beliefs. BTW, Hitler was brave, smart (in some areas) and was respected by many people across the world (not really beautiful though) but that doesn't mean a thing. Just because an idea is popular doesn't mean it's correct. Slavery was popular, segregation was popular, the KKK was popular. So what? And while I can see the Bush (and Kerry) one being potentially offensive to some, how is the one about being spied on offensive? I can assure you that a peaceful political group I am associated with was being monitered by undercover law enforcement (who would have been unable to hide their identity if their life depended on it) in conjunction with recent ELF arrests in my area. And no, I'm not involved with anything like that nor was anyone in that group to the best of my knowledge. I also know that Food Not Bombs has been targeted for surveillance, and it's quite possible that my local chapter is being spied on as it's in a major city. If it's offensive to you that I'm being spied on perhaps you should do something to try and change it. If on the other hand, it's offensive to you that I have the nerve to flat out say that I'm being spied on, well then there's not much I can do for you there. It's a lot more respectful than the stuff on your page. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 07:45, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Could you give your opinion at [7]? Thanks. yandman 07:39, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Just some things I want to say to you

Thanks for reverting the vandalism in my userpage. It's one of really few times I talk to an anarchist person (I have involved even in streetfights with people like you). I just wonder why you did that, since you probably don't oppose the entrance of turkey in the eu. I mean, I would expect from an anarchist to vandalise my userpage, not to revert a vandal. About the sun cross, it is used by the "nazis" because it is a symbol of the ancient European values, which the "nazis" defend. And something else: The bigest fascists are the antifascists... Mitsos 09:56, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

And since you are inderested in anarchism, you might want to work on Anarchism in Greece. Mitsos 09:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know much about anarchism in Greece. All I know is it's really militant and I've heard from a fellow American anarchist that's been there that a lot of them are thugs and even fight each other. Kinda dissappointing. As for the sun cross, you do realize it's not just European. It's been used by traditional people the world over, including plenty of non-whites. I saw a Native American with one today on his shirt. As for your userpage, I didn't really even see what I was reverting that well, I was just looking at diffs and could tell an anon added something that didn't seem like it should be there. I didn't even know who you were until afterwards. I probably would have just let someone else fix it, but I wouldn't have vandalized it personally.

I can understand why you would call antifa fascists because a lot of them cross the line quite a bit. I used to really be into the whole "beat the crap out of fascists thing", but I don't really think it makes much sense anymore unless you guys start the fight. I really feel sorry for you people. You take your justifiable anger at the world and channel it against people who are just as much victims as you, if not more. I have the same issue with the hatred many radicals have towards cops and soldiers. Like my commrades, I despise the positions those people are in and their ideas, but I really feel sorry for them and try to avoid hating them. It's hard sometimes, but I try. Hate the idea, not the person. But with all those groups, if it comes down to them or me, well, I'll fight back. I think I first started having second thoughts when I saw two thirty-something anarchists and a few assorted younger ones intimidating and trying to start a fight with 3 nazis who couldn't have been older than 16. It was really pathetic. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 04:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

"All I know is it's really militant and I've heard from a fellow American anarchist that's been there that a lot of them are thugs and even fight each other." I agree 100%!!!! In every march they organise they burn 5-6 cars and steal things from shops. They are thugs indeed. Mitsos 07:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Here is my conclusion. People in Greece are much more extremists and militant than people in US. I can see it from the American NS. All they are doing is wearing uniforms that the nazis used to wear in 1933, and talking about how they are going to gas millions of niggers and jews (!!!), but practically, they are not doing anything!!! I gues it's the same with American anarchists. About the sun cross you partly right. We use the Celtic Cross, which is a European symbol.

And here are some videos that show how "civilized" your "Greek" comrades are: [8] [9] [10]

And a video from "us": [11] More information about our movement here. That's all folks! 88 Mitsos 09:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Interesting videos, i don't see much difference between the actions mitsos is describing as thugery in the anarchist videos and the actions depicted in the video showing his own (facist)group Blockader 20:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC).

To help you with your welcoming of new Esperanza members...

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Anthropology project

It looks like your proposed anthropology project has 10 members. That's probably enough to get any project off the ground, and you might consider listing it officially and merging it into wikipedia space. I noticed that you are curtailing your activity lately, but, if you would want to get it started anyway, please let me know and I'll see if I can help set up the page for you. It does look like you should be able to get off to a good start though. Badbilltucker 00:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:About the kid with the problems

You're right about the coffee lounge being about well whatever, but I'm not sure about relationship problems... That's where Dr. Phil comes in... Though I may have been a bit mean to just up and delete it, but I'm really not in the mood to care right now. That's all. Regards,--SUIT⁴² 04:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

A quick note

Hello. I know you might not respond to this for a while, but I just wanted to say that I think your ideas are interesting. In terms of the political compass, I assume that you are a extreme libertian slight rightist, correct? Interesting, we share nearly the same economical beliefs (basically an economy equally controlled by state and people) but have highly different leadership beliefs. I'm a moderate authoritian and slight rightist. I don't go so far as fascism (I'm no Nazi) but I basically don't trust the people to run a good governent. (I'm conservative, though not neccessarily Republican). I believe that a democracy is good, yes, but a representative is the perfect form. I personally think that people should only have control over who gets into office, as they usually choose well, and then let themselves be ruled by the governent. Would you care to discuss politics at all? it would be most enjoyable. DoomsDay349 22:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Intersting beliefs. What led you to this position? DoomsDay349 15:07, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:NPA

Personal attacks such as this one are a violation of Wikipedia policy. Please stop abusing me just because I disagree with your anti-American propaganda. Cerebral Warrior 02:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I didn't make a personal attack. I attacked your ideas but never did I directly attack you. If this is the thanks I get for reverting vandalism on your page then I really don't care about your feelings anyway. See if I ever revert vandalism on your page from now on. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 03:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I think I misunderstood what you trying to say, sorry about that. Anyway, I'd really appreciate if you would continue to stop Moslems from vandalising my userpage. Cerebral Warrior 04:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Please comment (the Cerebral Warrior issue)

User_talk:Cerebral_Warrior#A_Proposal_by_crazyeddie crazyeddie 15:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

PETA

Just wondering if you support PETA? Sorry about being off topic :/ Pretender2j 14:59, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

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Mediation

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Hi, I know you haven't been heavily involved in this particular argument and I initially hadn't included you. However, I then looked back over the talk page and remembered how much you'd said about this issue. I though it would be unfair to leave you out :) Donnacha 09:10, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

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Punk shops! Roll up!

...Buy rebellion here! Yeah, I love that song. Whole album, in fact, is a classic. I haven't listened to it in ages though, lost my CD a long while ago and haven't found it yet. I had a lot of trouble with the Soundtrack of Wikipedians in fact, because it's kind of hard to gauge whether I like "A Piss in the Ocean" or "Only a Pawn in Their Game" or "Rebel Without A Pause" or "So Much Trouble in the World" the most, because they're all so different. I still need to work on that list a fair bit. By the way, the link to the lyrics site you posted, at the bottom of the page there's (for me anyway) an ad for the "United Church of God Australia", a fundamentalist Christian group. Slightly out of their key demographic, you think? -Switch ^t 10:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Anthropology Collaboration of the month

Hello. I noticed that you signed up for WikiProject Anthropology and thought that you might be interested in participating in the Collaboration of the Month. This month's article is Marvin Harris. Thanks.

As an addendum, I've seen you around and respect your work, and I'm sorry that you're feeling down about Wikipedia. Hope you feel better soon. Stilgar135 19:19, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm actually nowadays just busy and not feeling too down. I could actually use some help on Talk:Plastic shaman since I'm getting tired of trying to debate with that person. I don't know much about Harris so I'm actually learning just by looking at the article. I also have finals starting next week, so not sure if I can do much with it right now. Maybe I'll try to do something though. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 02:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Glad to hear it. I had a look at the plastic shaman page, and even though I don't know much (ie, anything) about the topic, I see plenty of holes to poke in his argument. I'll have that up soon enough. Stilgar135 03:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair use image in user namespace

Hello!

You have used a fair use image in your user namespace (Image:Augusto Pinochet official portrait.jpg in User:The Ungovernable Force). Criterion 9 of the Wikipedia:Fair use criteria states that "Fair use images may be used only in the article namespace. Used outside article space, they are not covered under the fair use doctrine." I have replaced it with a free image (Image:Augusto Pinochet.jpg).

Sincerely, --Oden 20:55, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I could have sworn I checked that before putting it on. Oh well. Thanks for taking the time to find something else rather than just leaving it blank like people often do. It looks like I need to update that box anyways considering the fact that he finally kicked the bucket. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 02:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Pinochet

As terrible as the guy was, I never take a lot of pleasure in people's deaths, especially if they're already out of office. I guess I just feel like there's always a string of people like this, and if you cut one head off another pops up to take its place. It's nice to see he was denied a state funeral, though. Owen 21:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, I can definitely understand that perspective. Most cops and soldiers do think they're doing the right thing by following orders, whereas there's just not an excuse in a case such as this. I'm certainly in no way upset he's gone, but I just don't see what good it does anyone, at this point. Speaking of assholes dying though, have you gotten around to seeing Death of a President yet? I found it really good. The kind of movie that it'd be fun to show people waking from a coma a few years down the line, since it's put together so believably. Owen 07:58, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

WhereAmI

I believed I had found the loop hole via http://img.4chan.org/b/res/17317903.html [this link is NSFW, etc., and it will not work in about 20min-ish], however it seems to be fixed. Browse that site, and I continuously see them change articles on Wikipedia and try to change them back and lock them, however their attacks usually don't last long. This loop hole may or may not have originated from here.--WhereAmI 07:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the information.

Help on my userpage?

Hi! Long time fan, first time caller : ) I recently "stole" a template from your (beautifully developed) userpage, and it's messed mine all up. Could you give me some advice on how to fix it, as I know close to nothing of html? You can even take the liberty of editing it yourself; it's obvious where the headings should go, etc. So, take care, and enjoy your siesta. --Dialecticas 01:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Just want to give belated thanks for your help. Mutual aid isn't just something that happens in poltical struggles, it also happens on Wikipedia userpages! If I can ever lend a hand with anything, feel free to ask. --Dialecticas 19:21, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

List of anarchists

I've had the list of atheists on my watchlist a while now, and in recent months it's been overhauled and looks really great now. Compare an older version with the current one. I want to give the list of anarchists a similar treatment, with definitions, pictures, et cetera. I have a version sandboxed at User:SwitChar/Anarchlist (I'm a sucker for bad puns). Obviously the criteria can't be as stringent as the list of atheists', because then we'd have to exclude people like Thoreau and Tolstoy, but it would be nice to have citations for everybody. I've only slowly added people so far, and I've tried for people it would be harder to cite; I haven't even added major thinkers like Proudhon, Bakunin or Kropotkin yet. I did copy Goldman straight from the list of atheists though. Anyway, care to lend a hand? -Switch ^t 12:56, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

MurderBike

are you talking the song? or me personally? cheers. Murderbike 06:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

ah, yeah, it's a great damn song. my band is Dandelion Junk Queens. i was kinda curious 'cause i had noticed your user name in the anarchism page, but didn't think i'd edited anything to make myself noticed in that arena.

you know the original of 16 tons right? it's damn superior.

heh, thanks for fixing that redirect. i'm kinda new at this, just figuring out the subtelties.

Sixteen Tons was originally done by Tennessee Ernie Ford. i don't really care for the punked up version, but i like TBIAPB's originals better than their covers generally. as for touring, it's possible that the two girls in the band will be playing some shows down there in march with some girls doing zine readings, as far as the whole band though, things are kind of up in the air. we did two really big tours this year and got kinda tired. but i imagine by spring we'll be back to doing stuff.

word, thanks a ton!

yeah, crap, i kinda knew that, but haven't really used the User Talk pages, so spaced it. cheers! Murderbike 06:46, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

heh, maybe it's not really wiki relevant. but whatever, if folks can brag about recycling, i can try to convince people that if they MUST have a baby, they should adopt one. cheers! Murderbike 05:46, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

PS, i actually made that box by stealing the code to your citizen of earth box. thanks! Murderbike 05:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey, so i made an article for the Dielo Truda, i think it's my first non-musical article, so presuming it's still up, you should check it out and drop some feedback. i'm sure it could use a tad bit of cleaning up. Murderbike 10:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Kronstadt Uprising

Hi UG, yes indeed I used to know the old Kronstadt very well, in fact it was me that suggested their name (I get acknowledged for this in the new 'Day the Country Died' book by Ian Glasper! We used to gig regularly with them as Autumn Poison and indeed each band would good naturedly heckle the other during our respective sets! Anyway, Steve Pegrum drummer and prime mover of the group now runs the Southend Punks website which you can access at http://www.southendpunk.com/html/soutpunk.htm , there is a message board on the site through which you can contact Steve. I have his email address at home but at present I'm away from my own computer so don't have it to hand, but can forward it later. You might enjoy the website and the messge board anyway, I post fairly regularly, and theres bits on both of my old bands, Stripey Zebras and Autumn Poison. I should also be seeing Stev Pegrum and some other ex-KU members at the weekend as we have a Southend Punks reunion gig/party coming up where all us old 40 something ex-punks will get together and get nostalgic for the night! quercus robur 12:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Cheers UG, hope you enjoyed your birthday! Also gald you enjoyed the Southend Punks website, there are a couple of pics of me scattered about in the 'gallery' sections, and indeed I know most of the old punks featured, it used to be a very lively scene around here! There's very little Autumn Poison/Love Over Law or Stripey Zebras material out there I'm afraid, most of it was on cassette only, apart from a couple of tracks on vinyl compilations. However I have been thinking about transfering the old tapes onto my hard drive and putting out a couple of retrospective CDs or else making the tracks available for download. In the meantime here's a couple of my more recent songs recorded on home 4 track, which you may or may not enjoy... Probably a bit more mellow than what we used to do, although I've been told that when playing live I still have a bit of punk energy, prob more to do with nerves than anything else! "Springfield Drive" may seem particularly familiar, written when our allotment site was under threat last year (ps the 'typical allotment plot' pictured in the wiki article is a photo of my actual plot!). Cheers quercus robur 11:30, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

makhno

yeah, he's pretty much the most well known of the group, and gets the most credit (and the most flak i think) for the Platform. Cuban anarchism eh? that sounds cool, is it more modern, or more historical? i saw a crazy film about being gay in cuba that was such a bummer. Murderbike 06:33, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

thanks

thanks for the heads up man we are new to this whole deal

but we dont go on much anymore since our pages got deleted then let back then deleted again and again

haha but thanks anyways -steveStraightxedge 07:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Some help

Hello, The. I'm needing some help at anarchy. One user seems to be confused about the term and is editing the article to say.. well, just look at it. Anyway, I would appreciate your help at the relevant talk page. Owen 23:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC)