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Keith Richards DYKN

Hello TheSandDoctor, I nominated Keith Richards for WP:DYK as it achieved Good Article status this week. I gave you credit as the page is 15 years old and but you were the one who brought it to Good Article status. Hope it goes through. Trillfendi (talk) 19:29, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Replied on the page and thanks for the notice @Trillfendi:! It is greatly appreciated. You beat me to the nom by a couple of hours haha. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 19:31, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

ArbCom 2019 special circular

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FYI

Hi, our paths don't often seem to cross. Thought I should mention what I did here just in case you aren't watching that page. I don't see any possible room for doubt, but I'm sure someone will revert me if I'm wrong about it. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:42, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) - Justlettersandnumbers, I've actually blanked the article now, looking at earwig it's only the first paragraph but probably substantial enough for G11 as it's pretty short anyway. ~ RhinosF1^{(chat - live)}/_(contribs) 20:04, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Amendment: G12 Is the actual criteria ~ RhinosF1^{(chat - live)}/_(contribs) 21:20, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

RhinosF1, it wouldn't be eligible for G12 as not all text is affected; for the same reason, your blanking is not exactly correct: it's OK to remove the suspect text (the stuff I had blanked out), but the list-type material after that is not creative content and so is not copyrightable. Would you kindly restore the </div> I'd placed at that point, and all material after it? The sentence fragment I had left before the copyvio template is also OK to restore. Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:36, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers, I've retagged it so it's marked as only one section affected properly :) If it's just that part then removing and copyvio-revdel may have been more appropiate. ~ RhinosF1^{(chat - live)}/_(contribs) 21:46, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Administrator account security (Correction to Arbcom 2019 special circular)

ArbCom would like to apologise and correct our previous mass message in light of the response from the community.

Since November 2018, six administrator accounts have been compromised and temporarily desysopped. In an effort to help improve account security, our intention was to remind administrators of existing policies on account security — that they are required to "have strong passwords and follow appropriate personal security practices." We have updated our procedures to ensure that we enforce these policies more strictly in the future. The policies themselves have not changed. In particular, two-factor authentication remains an optional means of adding extra security to your account. The choice not to enable 2FA will not be considered when deciding to restore sysop privileges to administrator accounts that were compromised.

We are sorry for the wording of our previous message, which did not accurately convey this, and deeply regret the tone in which it was delivered.

For the Arbitration Committee, -Cameron11598 21:04, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Self Requested Block

Hello,

Per our IRC Conversation, I have thought about it and would like to request that I am blocked for 2 weeks to enforce a wikibreak as Wikibreak Enforcer has not been effective for me. Please also block my sock army: User:RhinosF1 (Test), User:RhinosF1 (Public) and User:RF1 Bot. I do not expect to ask to be unblocked as the whole point of being blocked is I can't get past it by learning tricks of the system so if I do try to beg my way out of it then wait at least 24-48 hrs before unblocking me. Thanks ~ RhinosF1^{(chat - live)}/_(contribs) 22:31, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2019).

Administrator changes

HickoryOughtShirt?4 • RexxS

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Bratsche • Kyle Barbour • Kzollman • Madman

Interface administrator changes

Pharos

Bureaucrat changes

Primefac

CheckUser changes

Reaper Eternal

Guideline and policy news

• A request for comment concluded that creating pages in the portal namespace should be restricted to autoconfirmed users.
• Following a request for comment, the subject-specific notability guideline for pornographic actors and models (WP:PORNBIO) was removed; in its place, editors should consult WP:ENT and WP:GNG.

Technical news

• XTools Admin Stats, a tool to list admins by administrative actions, has been revamped to support more types of log entries such as AbuseFilter changes. Two additional tools have been integrated into it as well: Steward Stats and Patroller Stats.

Arbitration

• In response to the continuing compromise of administrator accounts, the Arbitration Committee passed a motion amending the procedures for return of permissions (diff). In such cases, the committee will review all available information to determine whether the administrator followed "appropriate personal security practices" before restoring permissions; administrators found failing to have adequately done so will not be resysopped automatically. All current administrators have been notified of this change.
• Following a formal ratification process, the arbitration policy has been amended (diff). Specifically, the two-thirds majority required to remove or suspend an arbitrator now excludes (1) the arbitrator facing suspension or removal, and (2) any inactive arbitrator who does not respond within 30 days to attempts to solicit their feedback on the resolution through all known methods of communication.

Miscellaneous

• A request for comment is currently open to amend the community sanctions procedure to exclude non XfD or CSD deletions.
• A proposal to remove pre-2009 indefinite IP blocks is currently open for discussion.

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Tech News: 2019-19

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• Special:Watchlist can show the wrong information. It does not always show which edits are read and which are unread. The developers are working on solving the problem. [1]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 May. It will be on all wikis from 9 May (calendar).

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16:27, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Another Carolyn Banks reference

Check out a long article in THE AUSTIN CHRONICLE, July 3, 1999 entitled "Ms. Write." Carolyn Banks, 2605:6000:101F:82B5:1916:5D2D:FBF5:9378 (talk) 16:47, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Carolyn Banks deletion

Sand Doctor: I can't help wondering why you've gone to such lengths to contradict all the KEEP messages supporting my page. Is this customary, or are you, perhaps, a composition student I've failed sometime in my teaching career? There are a lot of things missing from my page and I would add them if I could. I know, Wiki says a person can edit, but in my few tries, I have not been able to do that. Anyway, I find I'm troubled by your statement regarding "Idyll," which was my first national publication. It appeared in VOYAGES, a national literary magazine. That story was reprinted in Richard Kostelanetz's IN YOUTH, a Signet publication featuring up and coming writers.

I did come up with something new by editing A LOVING VOICE, a read-aloud anthology aimed at caregivers who sometimes don't know how to entertain the people they are caring for. I was invited to write an article for the medical publication, THE LANCET, about reading aloud to the elderly, which I did.

You say that the reviews of my books don't include information about me. I have reviewed for THE WASHINGTON POST, THE NEW YORK TIMES and THE LOS ANGELES TIMES. I rarely include anything about the author. I was taught to weight the book, not its writer. And speaking of reviews of my own work, why are reviews in COSMOPOLITAN and THE NEW YORK TIMES mentioned?

I'm 79 now, no longer up and coming. I'm still writing, but have chosen to write (mostly) humorous essays for Bastrop Advertiser. I have been urged, however, by Madison Smartt Bell, to complete my novel, CERTAIN CHILDREN and I am ekeing away at that. My essays were honored last year by the South Texas Press Association.

What biographical information would you like? I am a widow. My husbands were John Laurence Banks, a commercial artist; Robert Rafferty, an Army Ltnt. Colonel and a writer of travel books; Davis McAuley, a water color artist and longtime editor of THE BASTROP ADVERTISER, where we met (some twenty yeaars ago when I was a reporter). All three men are long dead. I have a 58-year old son, Donald, who was recently accepted into the DGA, Director's Guild of America. I myself was inducted into the Texas Institute of Letters.

I love teaching and I've kept it up over the years. It doesn't happen with every student, of course, but often I have been able to ignite a love of language in a few and an appreciation of good writing in many. My students usually discover my wiki page and then see me as "somebody," so I am hoping the page will remain.

This link has outdated personal info, but does, at the very end, offer more isnformation about reviews: www.encylopedia.com/arts/educational-magazines/banks-carolyn-1941

When will you make your decision? I'm sort of embarrassed that, when people go to my page, they see that text about deletion.

Thanks for letting me have my say. Carolyn Banks 2605:6000:101F:82B5:1916:5D2D:FBF5:9378 (talk) 15:49, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello Carolyn, please rest assured that I was never a student of yours at any point and that deletion discussions are purely about the appropriateness of the article for inclusion in Wikipedia. Wikipedia editors, who may have differences of opinion on whether or not an article topic satisfies relevant notability guidelines, comment in an attempt to find rough consensus. Wikipedia policies and guidelines are developed by the community to describe best practices, clarify principles, resolve conflicts, and otherwise further our goal of creating a free, reliable encyclopedia. My comments were my analysis of the sources present within the article and how they relate to relevant notability policies.

To clarify my statement regarding "Idyll," it was merely that the reference within the article supporting "Idyll" appearing in Voyages did not in fact provide support nor did it mention either yourself or "Idyll." It was never intended as a comment regarding its validity or existence. As for your comment "COSMOPOLITAN and THE NEW YORK TIMES mentioned", I am not sure what you are referring to as I did not comment regarding any reference to Cosmopolitian nor The New York Times?

Your work in teaching is amicable and you should be proud of it. Unfortunately, information for articles - especially those about living people like yourself - must have their facts supported by independent, reliable, sources and because of this, the information you have presented could not be included. This is intended to protect you as the subject from untruthful comments which may be made by others pretending to be you. As for your question about when the decision will be made, discussions like this are typically closed by administrators who have previously been uninvolved with the discussion. By policy, users are not able to close a discussion which they have started nor one which they have previously responded. In this particular case, the discussion has been relisted to illicit further feedback from the community. I apologize that this has become an embarrassment to you, but again assure you that it truthfully was not personal nor a statement about you as a person nor your accomplishments. You are not alone, deletion discussions happen all the time with varying policy based outcomes. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 03:50, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Keith Richards

Hello! Your submission of Keith Richards at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 14:09, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-20

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• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 May. It will be on all wikis from 16 May (calendar).

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00:48, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Hodgetwins

Hey I am making the Hodgetwins wiki page and I am confused as too what else I need to add as I've added a few reliable, non bias sources. So I am confused as what is going on. If you could please help me, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AceAlen (talk • contribs) 14:39, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello AceAlen, I am happy to answer your questions! Unfortunately, YouTube videos are generally not considered reliable sources. Discounting those for a second, that leaves the draft with 6 listed sources, which could be enough to satisfy the notability guideline for biographies were they substantive enough and reliable sources. Unfortunately, "Greatest Physiques" does not appear to be a reliable source. Momentarily discounting that, we are left with 3 sources: Sacurrent.com, Factcheck.org, and Dailycaller. The San Antonio Current is the first source which would be possibly considered remotely reliable, though its coverage is nowhere near substantive enough. I have been talking a lot about "substantive" coverage so figure I should clarify a bit: "substantive" doesn't need to be just a single source. Multiple independent reliable sources which have shorter articles discussing a topic could "combine" (for lack of a better word) to demonstrate substantive coverage and "notability" in the Wikipedia sense - it does not all have to be in a single source (though those are helpful).

Now, for the last two sources: The Daily Caller is similar to the San Antonio Current mentioned above, as is FactCheck.org. Unfortunately, their coverage is insufficient.

What I recommend would be finding further sources which are independent (of the subject) and reliable in nature. I would also strongly recommend reading this helpful guide to referencing, this guide to creating your first article, and reviewing the feedback that reviewers (including myself) have left on the top of the draft in question. Another good place to start would be looking at other biographic articles about YouTubers or other entertainers and seeing how they are structured and sourced and doing what you can to learn from their style and mimic tone etc. (this should help address the tone/advertising tone issues identified by another reviewer). For example, you could look at Pewdiepie, Ali-A, and/or DanTDM, (The 3 previously linked articles are merely examples picked "off the top of my head" due to topic and quality of sourcing, others do exist on Wikipedia which are well sourced.) If you have any questions or would like further clarifications, please let me know. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 03:20, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.18

Hello TheSandDoctor/Archives/2019,

WMF at work on NPP Improvements

Niharika Kohli, a product manager for the growth team, announced that work is underway in implementing improvements to New Page Patrol as part of the 2019 Community Wishlist and suggests all who are interested watch the project page on meta. Two requested improvements have already been completed. These are:

• Allow filtering by no citations in page curation
• Not having CSD and PRODs automatically marked as reviewed, reflecting current consensus among reviewers and current Twinkle functionality.

Reliable Sources for NPP

Rosguill has been compiling a list of reliable sources across countries and industries that can be used by new page patrollers to help judge whether an article topic is notable or not. At this point further discussion is needed about if and how this list should be used. Please consider joining the discussion about how this potentially valuable resource should be developed and used.

Backlog drive coming soon

Look for information on the an upcoming backlog drive in our next newsletter. If you'd like to help plan this drive, join in the discussion on the New Page Patrol talk page.

News

• Following a request for comment, the subject-specific notability guideline for pornographic actors and models (WP:PORNBIO) was removed; in its place, editors should consult WP:ENT and WP:GNG.

Discussions of interest

• A request for bot approval for a bot to patrol two kinds of redirects
• There has been a lot discussion about Notability of Academics
• What, if anything, would a SNG for Softball look like

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Tech News: 2019-21

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Recent changes

• The report for phase 1 of the talk pages consultation 2019 has been published. Communities are invited to start phase 2 of the consultation on their wikis.

Problems

• File descriptions for files from Commons were not shown properly on other Wikimedia wikis for a few days. For example the image descriptions and license information were missing. This has now been fixed. [2][3]
• Some diffs show an error message when you try to see them. The developers are working on fixing it. It could be because of some edit comments. [4][5]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 May. It will be on all wikis from 23 May (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 22 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The content translation tool on Wikipedia can use machine translations. There is a system to stop translations where the editors do not fix machine translation mistakes. This warns or stops them if they seem to just copy what the machine translation gives them. If this system is too strict or not strict enough you can tell the language team. [6]
• The Wikidata wbeditentity API endpoint will remove all aliases if the request includes an empty alias. This is how it supposed to work. It has not been working this way because of a bug. This will start on 12 June. [7]

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13:04, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

The Giraffes (Seattle band) Articles for deletion

Something odd happened with your nomination for the article, and the link in the template on the article page didn't point to the actual Articles for Deletion nomination (red link). I replaced the template in order to get it to work, but now there are two back to back nominations, and only a functioning link to mine. I'd clear mine out, but it still wouldn't fix your link. I apologize for the confusion. I'm thinking maybe a mutual reference to the others article might work? Orville1974 (talk)

@Orville1974: I have just gone ahead and deleted the accidental recreation for you and reverted your edit changing the link in the article. What happened was the cached version of the article had not yet updated. That is fixed by purging the page (and is something that should always be attempted first). In other words, the link wasn't actually a redlink, it just looked like one. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 03:55, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi

Sorry about the bad edits, I didn't realize that it changes the actual article!! I'm new around here, and will use the Sandbox next time. I'm looking forward to helping out the Wikipedia project when I can too! --— Preceding unsigned comment added by Deletoroftext (talk • contribs) 17:30, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Re creating a previously deleted page.

A couple months ago you deleted a page that I created about a film director. This person has been growing in popularity and I believe he now qualifies for a Wikipedia page. May I recreate the page? The persons name is Eddie Zajdel. --— Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewFayer (talk • contribs) 20:06, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello MatthewFayer. Has there been a substantial increase in coverage by independent reliable sources? If so, could you please provide a couple of examples?

As a bit of an aside, it may be counter-intuitive to some, but popularity does not mean notability. As a more tangible example, just because someone has millions of followers on social media, it does not necessarily mean that they are "notable" enough for an article on Wikipedia. Notability requests significant (independent) coverage in reliable sources. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 21:12, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-22

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Changes later this week

• Big changes to the replica database will happen on 3 June. Some tools on Cloud Services will stop working if the maintainers do not update them to use the new schema. This probably affects tools that query for revisions or log entries made by a user. [8][9]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 29 May. It will be on all wikis from 30 May (calendar).

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15:33, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Keith Richards

On 28 May 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Keith Richards, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the riff for "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction", the Rolling Stones' first number-one hit, came to Keith Richards (pictured) in his sleep? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Keith Richards. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Keith Richards), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

About the revision deleted edits on my talk page.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Hello there. I am writing to you as I am wondering what were the deleted edits like on my talk page and the optional RTA candidate poll talk page next to Cassianto's post. I am curious to see what both those edits were. Thank you. The Duke 12:23, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The Duke of Nonsense, if you do not stop this odd obsession with Cassianto I will indefinitely block you for harassment. The edits were correctly revdel'd. Discussing the content of them with you would defeat the purpose of revdel, and given the circumstances and your recent interactions with Cassianto, this looks really bad. Consider this a final warning. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:08, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

The Duke of Nonsense: fix ping TonyBallioni (talk) 13:09, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

@TonyBallioni: This was nothing to do with him. I didn't realise that you couldn't talk about revdel. All I was mentioning was there was a revdel next to his post. And I thought it was something to do with me, as he was mentioning me. I'm more concerned about my talk page. I can assure this was nothing to do with Cassianto. It's more do with my talk page. I was just curious to see what was the edit on my talk page. But if it isn't to do with me. Then I am not interested. I'm only concerned about myself in this case. Thank you. The Duke 13:46, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

The Duke of Nonsense, why did you feel the need to mention him here then? There was no need. It is fairly obvious after you've been told that there is an LTA targeting him that blocked IPs posting next to him that are revdel'd likely has something to do with that. I'll repeat: stay away from Cassianto. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:49, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

I never realised that it was those IPs. I deeply apologise I just thought it was a random IP. The only reason I mentioned him was it was about the RFA post about me. I never realised it was those trolls. I can just assure you it was a mistake on my part for not realizing that I didn't know it was those IPs. Thanks.

P.S: Can you please withdraw my infobox request on Dan Leno on my behalf? I looked at the replies and reliased that consensus has ruled the other way. And that the pages linked means that a infobox is just not needed. Thank you very much. The Duke

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