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Another Esperanzial note...

Hi again Esperanzians! Well, since our last frolic in the realms of news, the Advisory Council has met twice more (see WP:ESP/ACM2 and WP:ESP/ACM3). As a result, the charter has been ammended twice (see here for details) and all of the shortcuts have been standardised (see the summary for more details). Also of note is the Valentines ball that will take place in the Esperanza IRC channel on the 14th of February (tomorrow). It will start at 6pm UTC and go on until everyone's had enough! I hope to see you all there! Also, the spamlist has been dissolved - all Esperanzians will now recieve this update "newsletter".

The other major notice I need to tell you about is the upcoming Esperanza Advisory Council Elections. These will take place from 12:00 UTC on February 20th to 11:59 UTC on February 27th. The official handing-over will take place the following day. Candidates are able to volunteer any time before the 20th, so long as they are already listed on the members list. Anyone currently listed on the memberlist can vote. In a change since last time, if you have already been a member of the leadership, you may run again. Due to the neutrality precident, I will not vote for anyone.

Yours, as ever, Esperanzially,
--Celestianpower ^háblame 09:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
(message delivered by FireFox using AWB on Celestianpower's behalf)

English language

Hi, I don't know what you were attempting to do here, but I don't think it had the intended result. I rolled it back, so you may want to go back and make the intended change. Angr/talk 22:23, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Manitowoc

Thanks for clearing up the Manitowoc/Two Rivers "suburb" line. I tripped over that in my last reading of the page, but I had no clue how to correct it. There's no way Two Rivers is a suburb of Manitowoc. Jachim69 07:41, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Chabad link in Minyan Article

Hello, Tomer, I would appreciate your comments/opinions in the debate I am having with Eliezer here: Talk:Minyan#External_Links. Thank you. -- Avi 17:10, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Talk page link?

Okay, I have to ask someone and you seem friendly enough (you helped me out on the green bay page). How does everyone get that fancy "talk" superscript link in their signature? -Nick 01:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

You're awesome. Thanks! -Nick^talk 02:34, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Northern Ontario

I'll rewrite it to be a little more clear, but the part of Nipissing that lays below the "dividing line" is still considered part of Northern Ontario, because it's part of Nipissing. Bearcat 07:33, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

The green areas were already explained in the article; they're treated as part of Northern Ontario in some circumstances (FedNor, Ministry of Northern Development and Mines) because they're a bit of a transition zone economically and culturally between the south and the north, but they're not considered part of Northern Ontario geographically. Bearcat 07:50, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Halacha

Hello Tomer: Shavua Tov. Please see and add your views to a very serious discussion at Template talk:Infobox Halacha#This infobox must carry a warning. Thank you. IZAK 05:10, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

A Western Sahara-related vote

===>Here Make your voice heard. Vote or die. And all that. -Justin (koavf), talk 20:34, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Country song?

I'm not sure you're right about that. "Two out of Three ain't bad" was composed by Jim Steinman (and, of course, sung by the inimitable Meat Loaf!!).  ;)

Oh, and thanks for your kind comments to me re: Circumcision.  :) -Kasreyn 11:42, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roman K. Kovalev

Can you take a look at this AFD, and vote or comment as you see fit? Seems to me like deletionism run amok, esp. in light of my additions to the article. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 22:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Messianic Judaism

If you have a chance, would you mind taking a look at the conversation at Talk:Messianic Judaism? Your contributions would be most welcome. Jayjg ^(talk) 17:38, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

User:TShilo12/Garbage Collection

Hi! Just to let you know that, at the request of a correspondent to the Foundation, I have deleted the revisions of your page User:TShilo12/Garbage Collection that contained offensive material about a particular individual. Thanks! --Nick Boalch ^?!? 21:47, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Category:Midian et. al

Hello, TShilo12. I would like your opinion and feedback regarding a discussion I am having with Briangotts here about various categories including Category:Midian and Category:Edom. This issue is whether the categories themselves should be subcategories of Category:Torah people and Category:Torah places, or whether just the articles which actually are about Category:Torah people, such as the parent article Edom and Esau, should be tagged. Further explanation and a place to both voice your opinion and vote may be found on the talk page of Category:Midian. Thank you for your time and input. -- Avi 19:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Category_talk:Midian#Vote

Please take a look and weigh in with your opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Briangotts (talk • contribs)

Radhanites

If you haven't already, check out the new map. I made it in conjunction with User:Poppypetty who translated the article into French. I think the article looks a lot better now. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 14:17, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:Regent-Parrot-238.jpg

I didn't see the discussion behind why this image was deleted, but just so you know, I copied it to nl:Afbeelding:Regent-Parrot-238.jpg. If it was legitimately deleted, I'll leave its deletion from the Dutch wikipedia in your capable hands. Tomer^talk 01:50, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

That image was deleted because it was licensed under {{cc-by-nd-nc}}, not {{cc-by-sa-2.5}}. (That was how it was tagged when you copied it to NL, but it was wrong.) NL doesn't seem to have a template for the correct license; I don't know whether they accept noncommercial photos anyway. dbenbenn | talk 01:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Re:WikiProject Puerto Rico Collaboration

Hi Tshilo12. I have begun a collaboration of the month for the Puerto Rico Wikiproject. The collaboration is Accentuation. I have created a template and a subpage for it. The template can be found at the top of the project and the details for the collaboration can be accessed through the navigation template or by clicking here. Please tell me what you think about all this. Joelito 22:43, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

About Wikiproject: Wisconsin

So, does wikiproject: Wisconsin include all the regions, and cities in wisconsin, as well as stores? Whopper 04:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Passover article attacked by missionaries

Hi Tomer: Hope you had a good Shabbat! Please read over the Passover article (it's important because Pesach is coming soon) as we have a gang of missionaries trying to pervert the article and a few others for their own POV missionary ends (rachmana litzlan). Your input would be greatly appreciated as soon as possible. Be well. Thank you. IZAK 18:49, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:IdP.PNG

Thanks for uploading Image:IdP.PNG. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).

The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Wikipedia are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Wikipedia:Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this: {{TemplateName}}.

Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Thank you. Sherool (talk) 18:05, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, with regards to replacement I was mostly thinking along the lines of "drawing" a new map, there is not a whole lot of complex topography in this case after all, the biggest trick would be to get the longditudes, latitudes, distances and proportions correct, the islands themseles are basicaly just blobs on the map anyway. --Sherool (talk) 16:08, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

RE:zMOG!

Hi there TShilo12. I'm happy that people are still asking me to stay, even though for the most part I have already returned. To answer you question if I am staying or going, for now, that is undecided. Thanks for your message. Moe ε 20:48, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Jesus

A new editor is making rather bold claims about Judaism's view of Jesus, and also insisting he knows Jesus' Hebrew name. Could you possibly take a look at Talk:Jesus#Hebrew_name_of_Yehoshua_or_Yeshua and Talk:Judaism's view of Jesus? I'd appreciate it. Jayjg ^(talk) 17:52, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

This user thinks it is ironic that thanks for supporting Cyde's successful RFA came in the form of a userbox.

Here's a userbox for you. --Cyde Weys 04:32, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Crimes by admins abusing power

Checkuser cleared us, but the admins refuse to unblock and clear I_AM's name and I'm still blocked too. So much for your admins doing anything other than just covering up their crimes.

EC Website

Hello,

Thank you for the message.

I looked at your pictures. The subjects are good but they contain distractions. But the real secret is in post edit. I cleaned up the [Synagog photo] in GIMP. Your pictures are fine, they are just raw (not cleaned up) and that is the difference. If you saw the raws of mine you would not be impressed. Even the photos I have are poor, just as you pointed out, because it is winter. It sucks the life out of photos, well at least photos that are not nature based.

As far as the Mosque, there is no active site right now. That will hopefully be fixed soon. Also there are no photos of it because it is not green out yet (and the old photos I have do not show the whole building).

I have tons of photos on CD, I should look through and see what I have on Chippewa.

Finally, is appropriate to answer a message in usertalk within your own usertalk or on the usertalk of the sender?

Thanks,

Autoshade 05:30, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello,

I uploaded several pictures today, some new, most from my archives. To see how different the seasons are check out the Eau Claire County images I added. Autoshade 01:07, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello. Well I cant really even tell you doctored the image so that is definitely a good sign of your work. I have also uploaded an image of the [Mosque]. I find it interesting that the two buildings have the same color scheme. Also I finally actually created an article instead of just editing one, go take a look. - Autoshade 04:29, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

RFC

Please comment on my rfc Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jersey Devil--Jersey Devil 22:01, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

P-ENERGEN

I'm glad to hear the article now has sponsors (parents? mentors?) and hope they can make an encyclopedic article about that product. One of the three deleted paragraphs has eight fact tags in it, and (barring forthcoming evidence that one can have hepatitis and cancer electrically shocked out of them) I don't know how they're going to show the notability of this product, so that's not gonna be completely easy. As with all deletions I've made, I hope they prove me wrong, and that a really great article can be written about this. Thanks for letting me know, JDoorjam Talk 12:21, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Ahoy!

Just thought I'd say hello! I'm an admin as well...born and raised in Eau Claire. I currently live in Madison but I consider Eau Claire "home". I'm also a UW-EC grad (Dec. 1998). If I can help with anything, let me know. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 09:15, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Criminal Justice. Which of course means that I am now a computer tech. lol It never quite works out as we think it will. I just added my name to Wikiproject Wisconsin. Not sure why it took me 16 months on here to do that but better late than never, I suppose. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 09:28, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I see alot of stubs I can work on. I updated the Eau Claire City Council list. Need to see what else I can do. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 09:33, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Gee. Isn't that just pretty? :) I'll see what I can do. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 10:05, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

OK. Well for starters, I added a cat and added a link. I agree with ya. Not sure it deserves it's own article. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 10:10, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

P-ENERGEN rewritten

We've helped the original author rewrite the deleted article now, the current version can be seen at User:Henrik/sandbox/PYRO-ENERGEN. Can we declare it fit for article space once more? I still think it's only just marginally notable, but on the whole probably deserves an article - if nothing else, to express some healthy scepticism. Henrik 20:56, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Just edited the Usage. Please check itJtakano 10:56, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Second try. What do you think now? Henrik 09:47, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Shultz III

About User:Shultz III; I would be willing to mentor him, if I'm eligible. I'd just like to know the requirements and what we'd be doing, but certainly, don't count me out. -M ^o P 03:27, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Portal request

Hello, TShilo12! I am Sidious1701. I've noticed you've created the article Brain coral. There is a requested portal that is being made by User:Dark jedi requiem. If you're interested, sign your name. Thanks. --Sidious1701 01:18, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Mentor application

It says on the Mentorship committie page that there is need for a mentor for User:Shultz III, and that you are one of the application 'officers', so may I please add my name to the pool :) Ian13/talk 22:35, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Concerned about sigs?

Hi, let me know if you'd like me to do anything in particular about the sigs, such as this

Adapted from Stephen Brown's column in the ACM SIGDA e-newsletter by Igor Markov

The original text can be found at http://www.sigda.org/newsletter/2006/060301.txt

You alluded to potential conflicts with the rules, but nothing specific. Igor Markov/talk 22 March 2006 (UTC)

P.S. If this helps, each original author gave me an explicit permission
to edit their text and post the result as a wiki.

Persian Jews

Could you keep an eye on this article? I also noted that you started this page, so could you add a note about where the information is coming from? Aucaman^Talk 07:02, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #1

Reach out Reach out is a program aimed at allowing users to bring issues that they have had in Wikipedia to a listening, sympathetic and caring audience: "No one can know how we feel if we do not say. We cannot expect to get understanding if we do not ask for it. No one will dispute that sometimes life's issues are too much for one person. It is fair to say that sometimes Wikipedia's problems fall under the same heading. This is a place where you can bring the bruises that can sometimes be got on this project for attention." Stress Alerts The Stress alerts program aims at identifying users who are stressed, alerting the community of thier stress and works in tandem with the Stressbusters at trying to identify causes of stress and eliminating them. Note from the editor Welcome to this new format of the Esperanza Newsletter, which came about during the last Advisory Council meeting - we hope you like it! The major changes are that each month, right after the Council meeting, this will be sent out and will include two featured programs and a sum up of the meeting. Also, it will be signed by all of the Advisory Council members, not just Celestianpower. Have an Esperanzial end of March, everyone!

The last AC meeting (full log) Future meetings are to be held monthly, not fortnightly as before. Bans and Access level changes (apart from autovoice) in the IRC channel are to be reported at the new log. In the IRC channel, there is going to be only one bot at a time. The charter requires members to have 150 edits and 2 weeks editing. Why this is the case will be clarified. A new Code of Conduct will be drafted by JoanneB and proposed to the Esperanza community. The NPA reform idea is to be dropped officially. Charter ammendments are to be discussed in future, not voted on. The Advisory Council is not going to be proposed to be expanded by the Advisory Council themselves, if others want to propose it, they will listen. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 17:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Masturbation

Your revision description, (rm "Solitary masturbation carries no risk of pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases." You'd have to be terminally moronic to think it could, in which case this sentence isn't gonna help anyways.), is the second funniest desc. I've seen; only second to (removed living persons category- a person is either living or dead). TKE 04:19, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

• In that fun, I put it in BJAODN. TKE 06:47, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Mentor Search

Hi, this is Shultz III from somewhere else right now, and I wonder how the mentor search is coming along. I see that you're back, so please update me on my user talk page. Thanks. --Shultz III 12:57, 3-28-2006 (CST)

YOU will love this request...

Hi Tomer: I have received the following request concerning Rabbi Yaakov Meidan:

Rav Meidan, now a Rosh Yeshiva in Yeshivat Har Etzion, recently requested that his name be spelled in English publications as "Yaaqov Medan." As you can imagine, this spelling garners much fewer Google hits than when spelled with a k. Should his article, and all mentions of him, be changed to "Yaaqov" in deference to him as a self-identifying entity, or not? I'm not familiar enough with WP:NC to know the answer. Thanks, DLand 18:31, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Input is welcome. IZAK 20:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

'Would you be a dear, and fetch me that pen? Thanks.'

Tomer, thank you for your comment. I am not an expert on subjunctive mood, having learned it by example and usage in ostensive manner. When I bring up items about this topic to my friends in daily life, their response is 'how else would you express it?'. The keyword is "would", in my opinion. Here is my justification for the classification:

1. A virtual occurrence - Wife A asked, but A did not know outcome
   • A: Would you be a dear, and fetch me that pen?
2. Husband B hears and fetches (no longer virtual, is now real). B hands over pen as the outcome.
   • A: Thanks.
   • Now B knows he is dear to A. Another close call for the marriage.

So 'would', 'should', 'could', 'might' get lumped into subjunctive usage, in my book; they signal a virtual existence. No probability of occurrence is assigned, merely possibility.

But 'will', 'shall', 'can', 'may' signal a different usage, to me. In this case, they are uttered in the present as an expectation for the future, with a high probability of occurrence. Their usage can be countered with a subjunctive statement.

Thus to me, subjunctive trumps both imperative and indicative.

C mutters to D:

• "It might dangerous to stick up your head"

D sticks up his bare head, and a bullet twangs against his forehead, stunning him. A, B, and C can only laugh. D is rueful. Ernie Pyle documented an occurrence like this in World War II.

Thus in my view, only action trumps the subjunctive.

Any insight you might have would be welcome. --Ancheta Wis 11:47, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

• I dunno about the grammatical aspect, but I think somehow only action trumps the subjunctive might be an interesting insight on how to spend ones life. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 22:34, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

hey there

i am interested in helping you to from the galapagos project... i am the guy going there in june, and will be traveling to about 13 of the "major" islands... i will let you know when i get back with my pictures. i should have 1000 or so, since i am traveling with my family and we all have digital cameras... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.176.84.91 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 3 April 2006

Unsigned

Huh? No, I just added the {{unsigned}} notice. The IP that added the comment itself is User:24.176.84.91. _-M ^o P-_ 04:16, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Galapagos

Sorry, i am the one who sent you the message... just getting started with this wiki thing, and got me a username. sorry for confusion.

galapagos

sorry again, forgot to sign....Dabreeze 14:06, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Camp Timberlane for Boys

Hello. I was wondering if you could take a gander at Camp Timberlane for Boys; a new user is trying to add information about a podcast that I really don't think is notable; I've already removed it once, asked for notability on the talk page, and reverted once, so I'd like someone else to take a look before this turns into an edit war. Thanks much. --BaronLarf 15:34, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #2

Barnstar Brigade The Barnstar Brigade is a new program aimed at giving more very deserving yet unappreciated users barnstars. It will officially start on 2006-04-09, but signing up is encouraged before this date: "Here in Wikipedia, there are hundreds of wikipedians whose work and efforts go un-appreciated. One occasionally comes across editors who have thousands of good edits, but because they may not get around as much as others, their contributions and hard work often go un-noticed. Sadly, these editors often leave the project. As Esperanzians, we can help to make people feel appreciated, be it by some kind words or the awarding of a Barnstar. A project the size of Wikipedia has thousands of editors, so there are plenty of people out there who deserve recognition, one just has to find them. The object of this program is not to flood editors with Barnstars, but to seek out people who deserve them, and make them feel appreciated." Stress Alerts The Stress alerts program aims at identifying users who are stressed, alerting the community of thier stress and works in tandem with the Stressbusters at trying to identify causes of stress and eliminating them. Information Welcome to the second issue of the new format Esperanza Newsletter - we hope you still like it! This week, it was delivered diligently by our new dogsbody. MiszaBot (run by Misza13): any execution complaints should go to him. Content comments should be directed at the Esperanza talkpage. Thanks!

The last AC meeting (full log) The next elections: Approval voting as before and, also as before, an previous leadership member can run. Please submit your name for voting in the relevant section of this page. Voting starts on 2006-04-23 and ends on 2006-04-30. There will be three places up for grabs as KnowledgeOfSelf is leaving Wikipedia. Please see the previously linked page for full details. The Code of Conduct is now ready for extensive discussion! Specific comments should go to the Code of Conduct talk page, discussion of having one at all should be directed to the main Esperanza talk page. The current process for accepting proposals for new programs has been deemed fine. All Advisory Council members and the Admin Gen are to endevour to be bold when viewing discussion. If they feel that consensus has been reached, they will act accordingly. A plea from the editor... The propsed programs page is terribly underused! Please leave any comments, good or bad, on the page, to help us determine the membership's thoughts on the ideas there. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 19:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

AbNormal Water Tower

Hey there

Was that water tower the one over by U-High, on Main street? I vaguely remember that one getting painted a lot

--cheers, Finko

Re: ECCF railways

I'll try to make time tonight to take a closer look. Both SOO and CNW are "fallen flags" now, SOO being part of CP, and CNW part of The Borg UP. At the SCWD meeting last week we had a clinic on railfanning throughout Wisconsin and the handout was a current state rail map. I'll dig it out and talk to a couple friends over at DOT (maybe even Uncle Rodney) this week. Slambo (Speak) 15:03, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

WP:WPWI, HollyAm, etc.

Hello Tomer. Have you heard from HollyAm at all? I'm assuming she's taking a wikibreak, like she did from 2002 to May 2005.

I saw on her talk page that you were wondering how the Recent Changes in Wisconsin-related articles list was updated; it's something that I created back in August 2005. Its sort of clunky, but it works and doesn't take too much work to update. I go to the Template:WikiProject Wisconsin page, then click on "What links here". I then copy everything that gets spit out, and paste it into an Excel spreadsheet. I automatically remove all the "talk:"'s, leaving the articles, categories, etc. I then sort the list by type and alphabetize it, pasting the results in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wisconsin/Wisconsin_recent_changes. Insert the headings, and voila. Updated list. Now that I'm back, I'll start doing this once a week again.

Also, a very-belated congrats on your RfA. Sorry I wasn't around to support you in it, though I can see you really didn't need it.

Cheers. --BaronLarf 16:49, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you interpreted my comments on the University of Wisconsin talk page as "intellectual subterfuge." I wasn't trying to screw your words around, just show where I thought we had common ground and then state my own case. Cheers. --BaronLarf 01:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Judah haNasi vs. Judah haNasi

Hello Tomer: Hope you had a good Yom Tov! Please see User talk:Judah haNasi#Problem with your Judah haNasi user name and add your comments. Thank you. IZAK 05:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Old Skool Esperanzial note

Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Celestianpower ^háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

PR Project Collaboration of the month

Hello TShilo12/Archive 6. It is my intent to begin a Collaboration of the month for the Puerto Rico Wikiproject. I have suggested Politics of Puerto Rico and Economy of Puerto Rico as options for the collaboration for May. Please leave suggestions or comments on the talk page or vote for any of the choices I have suggested. Take care. Joelito 16:47, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Camelid edit

Probably worth saving, but it needs to cleaned up and laicized - I don't know what half of this means - and wikified with links etc. The addition sounds like it was written by a non-native English-speaker who knows a lot about camel physiology, but not much about writing a good English Wikipedia article. --Jpbrenna 05:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations! You made my Quote of the Week

Your edit summary from Masturbation, ""Solitary masturbation carries no risk of pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases." You'd have to be terminally moronic to think it could, in which case this sentence isn't gonna help anyways", has made my duo quote of the week! Happy editing. Teke 04:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Test

Testing here

Persian people#History

Could you take a look at the first sentence in this section? It claims that Persians are descendants of some "Aryan tribes" migrating from Central Asia. Sounds like outdated racial theories to me. The same source (Britannica) says Persians are of mixed ancentry, but when I try to add this in people remove it. I don't think this is consistent with WP:NPOV. Could you take a look at this and leave a comment? Thanks, Aucaman^Talk 07:00, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm asking a lot of outside users to comment. Hopefully no one will get away with nonsense. Aucaman^Talk 07:25, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Passover and Christianity

Hi Tomer, I hope you had a great Pesach!: Please see the new discussions, and add your views, at Talk:Passover#Passover in the Christian tradition, again. Thank you. IZAK 03:54, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Your recent revert

Could you explain to me what brought your attention to my talk page? I appreciate your re-revert, but is there a story behind it? Pedant 04:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note, I generally disapprove of people removing things from my talk page. Thanks. Pedant 21:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Yakir Yerushalayim

Just started this article. If you have any further info on the award or any recipients, please update. Thanks! Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 15:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

More recently added articles that may interest you

And to which you may be able to contribute...

• Malachi ben Jacob
• Hezekiah Gaon
• Moses ben Hanoch
• Isaac ben Ezra
• Menahem ben Saruq
• Abraham Prochownik (this was the subject of a little tif between me and Ghirlandajo)
• Abraham of Aragon
• Bebai ben Abaye

--Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 15:59, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3

Administrator Coaching The Administrator Coaching program is a program aimed at preparing Wikipedians for Adminship or helping them understand the intricacies of Wikipedia better. Recently, changes have been made to the requirements of coachees. Please review them before requesting this service. This would be something like the Welcoming Committee, but for people who have figured out the basics of editing articles; they're not newcomers any more, but they might want some help in learning new roles. Some might like suggestions about how to learn vandal patrol, or mentoring on taking an article to featured status, or guidance with a proposal they plan to make at the Village Pump, for example. In this way, Esperanza would help keep hope alive for Wikipedia because we would always be grooming the next generation of admins. Stressbusters The Stressbusters are a subset of Esperanza aiming to investigate the causes of stress. New eyes on the situation are always welcome! Note from the editor As always, MiszaBot handled this delivery. Thank you! Also, congratulations go to Pschemp, Titoxd and Freakofnurture for being elected in the last elections! An Esperanzial May to all of the readership!

The last AC meeting (full log) Posting logs of the Esperanza IRC channel are explicitly banned anywhere. Violation of this rule results in deletion and a ban from the channel. A disclaimer is going to be added to the Esperanza main page. We are humans and, as such, are imperfect. Various revisions have been made to the Code of Conduct. Please see them, as the proposal is ready to be ratified by the community and enacted. All members will members to have to re-confirm their membership after accepting the Code of Conduct. Referendums are to be held on whether terms of AC members should be lengthened and whether we should abolish votes full stop. Admin Coaching reform is agreed upon. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, Pschemp and Freakofnurture 20:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Orthodox rabbis

Hi Tomer: You may want to take a look at the latest developments at Category talk:Orthodox rabbis. All the best. IZAK 06:23, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Creation-evolution controversy

There's a request for unprotection at Talk:Creation-evolution_controversy#Consensus_has_been_reached. Guettarda 19:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my user page!

Thank you, it is much appreciated! Ekrub-ntyh 20:49, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Sauk Prairie

I'll try and add some stuff in the next few days. Keeping a NPOV of course ;) -- Al™ 23:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Cherem

I have corrected the accidental revert. — ßottesiηi ^{Tell me what's up} 00:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Admin help needed at WikiProject Judaism

Hi: Recently, User:Ems tried to archive the talk at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism by "moving" the entire page and thereby losing a few years worth of edit history in the process. I have tried to correct it but it needs the intervention of an admin to REVERT back the entire process so that the edit history will show up where it is supposed to be (namely on the history of the main talk page and not in "archive 9"). Take a look over there and see what you can do. All the best. IZAK 13:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Orthodox Rabbinical Biography Collaboration of the Week

Hi TShilo12, I've created an Orthodox Rabbinical Biography Collaboration of the Week. I'd love to see your comments, improvements, amendations and nominations, preferably all on the discussion or the actual page there. Many thanks, Nesher 19:49, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Tomer, I may need your help again.

You know, I might need your help again. What times are you on IRC? Yesterday, I unwittingly stepped on a Wikipedian "landmine" so to speak. Now ESkog won't even talk to me on IRC. A few hours before I went to bed last night, I sent him an invitation to talk in my private chatroom; he didn't respond. Before that, he even said I could speak with him on IRC or his talk page, but he seems to ignore me on IRC, and hasn't replied to my latest reply on his talk page as of yet. Is there a "festering" in progress? I hope not, so either way, I ask if you can help restore the cordial and warm atmosphere of our mentorship again. My efforts haven't seemed fruitful enough.

All I did was upload ESkog's photo and ask if it was ok to have it here and place it on his userpage but he reacted like he saw an evil apparition. This was totally unexpected, and he told me he had discussions several times about people's personal info; I didn't remember ESkog talking about how he wants his privacy in particular, but he said he told me about that too. Oh, why couldn't my memories of this discussion resurface before uploading his photo? If they have, I wouldn't have uploaded it in the first place. Seriously.

Now not only the mentorship, but my life as a Wikipedian seems so fragile now, and there's no hope of that fragile aura lifting anytime soon; he said he doesn't "see this probation ever ending." This means, seemingly, even if I make 11,999 good edits down the line, if I forget about those probation terms and unwittingly release even an inkling of personal info on the 12,000th edit, the mentorship ends, I get blocked indefinitely, and probably won't even be allowed back under a completely different username (on the pain of a CheckUser check, an indef-block of also that account, and a revert of all of that username's edits, even if they were as obviously good as correcting spelling errors.)

What over-the-counter memory supplements do you suggest? I need to start taking those right away! PS: Like I said, would you please help me in what I hope to restore? Hope you talk to ESkog sometime. --Shultz IV 13:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Bay View Massacre

Hi.. I hope you reconsider the move to the new title (Wikiproject WI talk). Anyways, I just wanted to drop a note to let you know that you might want to hold off on the edits until user Orangemike clears up a copyright issue presented on his talk page. He's made some great contributions to date, so I'm hoping for the best. 72.131.44.247 17:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Polynesian Project

Hi. Yep I am a New Zealander and a Polynesian too. I have seen 'Tshilo12' in a lot of the history lists. I had a look at Sala y Gomez. I couldn't resist attempting to tidy it up a bit. Actually I am pretty busy on Polynesian mythology here on Wikipedia. It was a total mess and is slowly becoming less of one. User:Bucketsofg have been working on it for two or three months - a loose collaboration that began after a rather hasty decision on my and User:Grutness parts to nominate 50 p. myth stubs for deletion in March. I am more into the mythology and the languages rather than geography etc. But not averse to helping where I can altho I have my work cut out trying to fix P. Mythology. For some examples of what I've been up to lately check out Kupe and Rangi and Papa. I was also hoping to get a whole heap of articles going on the Māori wikipedia even tho I tend to get dis-encouraged by what I take to be nitpicky vibes I get from some of the users there. I feel as a Māori speaker I have a lot to contribute so I will just have to get into it. Kahuroa 06:13, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Kāhu = hawk, roa = long. Just circling around keeping an eye on things. Kahuroa 06:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

The more I think about your idea the more I like it. Others you might approach are User:Bucketsofg - see his talk page and his currect RfA - User:Mona-Lynn - see Talk:Hawaiki - User:Zora - see Talk:Polynesian mythology. Kahuroa 19:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Project Sharks

Hi! Sure, but most of my first goals are achived, i.e. basic 1-2 line info on my most importaint sharks, the next step requires much more work (to make all articles like oceanic), and I do not spend that much time on wikipedia, but I will help. You updates so far is OK with me, will look again later when I have more time to see what more should be added! I gave up on the project since fish project seamed to be dead and I did not think there would be much people interested, but I will help revive it :-) Stefan 11:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Deletionism facing (Judaism) articles

Hi Tomer: I have just placed the following on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism. Shabbat Shalom, IZAK 09:17, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Shalom to everyone: There is presently a very serious phenomenon on Wikipedia that effects all articles. Let's call it "The New Deletionism". There are editors on Wikipedia who want to cut back the number of "low quality" articles EVEN IF THEY ARE ABOUT NOTABLE TOPICS AND SUBJECTS by skipping the normal procedures of placing {{cleanup}} or {{cite}} tags on the articles' pages and instead wish to skip that process altogether and nominate the articles for a vote for deletion (VfD). This can be done by any editor, even one not familiar with the subject. The implication/s for all articles related to Jews, Judaism, and Israel are very serious because many of these articles are of a specilaized nature that may or may not be poorly written yet have important connections to the general subjects of Jews, Judaism, and Israel, as any expert in that subject would know.

Two recent examples will illustrate this problem:

1) See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zichron Kedoshim, Congregation where a notable Orthodox synagogue was deleted from Wikipedia. The nominator gave as his reason: "Scarce material available on Google, nor any evidence in those results of notability nor any notable size." Very few people voted and only one person objected correctly that: "I've visited this synagogue, know members, and know that it is a well established institution" which was ignored and the article was deleted. (I was unaware of the vote).

2) See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Berel Wein where the nominator sought to delete the article about Rabbi Berel Wein because: "It looks like a vanity project to me. While he does come up with many Google hits, they are all commercial in nature. The article is poorly written and reads like a commercial to me." In the course of a strong debate the nominator defended his METHOD: "... what better way to do that than put it on an AfD where people who might know more about the subject might actually see it and comment rather than slapping a {{NPOV}} and {{cleanup}} template on and waiting for someone to perhaps come across it." But what if no-one noticed it in time and it would have gone the same way as "Congregation Zichron Kedoshim"? Fortunately, people noticed it, no-one agreed with the nominator and the article was kept.

As we all know Googling for/about a subject can determine its fate as an article, but this too is not always a clear-cut solution. Thus for example, in the first case, the nominator saw almost nothing about "Congregation Zichron Kedoshim" on Google (and assumed it was unimportant) whereas in the second case the nominator admitted that Berel Wein "does come up with many Google hits" but dismissed them as "all commercial in nature". So in one case too few Google hits was the rationale for wanting to delete it and in the other it was too many hits (which were dismissed as "too commercial" and interpreted as insignificant), all depending on the nominators' POV of course.

This problem is compounded because when nominators don't know Hebrew or know nothing about Judaism and its rituals then they are at a loss, they don't know variant transliterated spellings, and compounding the problem even more Google may not have any good material or sources on many subjects important to Jewish, Judaic, and Israeli subjects. Often Judaica stores may be cluttering up the search with their tactics to sell products or non-Jewish sites decide to link up to Biblical topics that appear "Jewish" but are actually missionary sites luring people into misinformation about the Torah and the Tanakh, so while Googling may yield lots of hits they may mostly be Christian-oriented and even be hostile to the Judaic perspective.

Therefore, all editors and contributors are requested to be aware of any such attempts to delete articles that have a genuine connection to any aspect of Jews, Judaism and Israel, and to notify other editors.

Please, most importantly, place alerts here in particular so that other editors can be notified.

Thank you for all your help and awareness. IZAK 08:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey Tomer

Well it's been a few months since I've been around, so you are probably wondering, 'Who the heck are you?' :) Thanks for your concern: I am OK but became busy caring for a family member (who is doing fine), not to mention normal work, school, etc. So Wikipedia got pushed to the back burner. But, I think I'm ready to abandon this wikibreak, as most everyone eventually does. I see that BaronLarf is back and answered your question regarding the recent changes to Wisconsin articles. Well, I'll go check out all the great work everyone has been doing to Wisconsin pages and catch up! HollyAm 02:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Nope, I am alive and well! Sorry for the abrupt disappearance...I really should have put up a notice because I probably would have thought the same thing. It does happen. Glad to hear you are doing great and are less active with good reason. :) Until later! HollyAm 03:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Orthodox rabbis categories for deletion

Hi Tomer: Please see and vote at

1. Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 May 23#Category:Haredi rabbis
2. Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 May 23#Category:Religious Zionist Orthodox rabbis
3. Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 May 23#Category:Contemporary Orthodox rabbis
4. Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 May 24#Category:Modern Orthodox rabbis

Thank you and Shabbat Shalom! IZAK 12:28, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Shira Hadasha

Shevua Tov and Chodesh Tov, Tomer,

Tomer, if you take a look at my edits, you'll that the overwhelming majority of the articles I've added content to, including Passover, Passover Seder, Korbanot, Amidah, Yeshivat Chovevei Torah, Avi Weiss, Birkat Hamazon, List of Jewish Prayers and Blessings, Zugot, and much more, makes no mention of any particular style of tefilla. I've edited on a variety of general Jewish subjects. I believe you've spoken without actually looking at what I've done.

If you look at the Partnership Minyan and Shira Hadasha articles, they are both notable and well-sourced. "Shira Hadasha" has thousands of Google hits, and the Forward article in the Partnership Minyan article quotes leading OU and YU figures discussing it, not just the usual figures from JOFA. Moreover, a number of related articles like the ones on Jewish feminism, Jewish Orthodox Feminist Alliance, and Blu Greenberg weren't started by me: I'm hardly the only one creating content on these subjects here.

I respectfully suggest that you're not basing your opinions on the merits of my edits. I invite you to examine their merits more closely. --Shirahadasha 02:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Tomer, Regarding your reply

Hey Shirahadasha...I wasn't making any judgments about you or your edits. My comments above, copied here by someone else, were in reponse to someone else' statement that you didn't appear to be new to wikipedia. The only judgment I made was that you and Anystat were one and the same, and that that was why your edits didn't appear to have been made by someone new to wikipedia. As for whether or not the Minyan Shivyoni Hilchati stuff is noteworthy, as I've made clear elsewhere, my concern regarding them is exclusively in the interest of ensuring that WP:NPOV#Undue weight is followed. Tomertalk 23:27, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

With regard to the comment below, given that you're not making any "judgments about you or your edits", would you be so kind as to clarify your comments re "POV-pushers" etc.?

Please review my comments above at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Self-promotion... I thought this subject had been dealt with already, but as happens so often when it comes to POV-pushers, that sentiment was apparently premature... :-\ Tomer^talk 08:05, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Just a friendly reminder. Thanks. --Shirahadasha 04:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Tomer, as I recall the two principle difficulties with the "Minyan Shivyoni Hilchati" article were a poor choice of name and poor placement ("minyan" was a bad idea and showed ignorance about Wikipedia's structure.) I believe these issues have been addressed.

It should be clear there's no POV forking. "Orthodox Judaism" and "Reform Judaism" are in some sense POV forks of "Judaism", and for that matter "Judaism" and "Hinduism" are POV forks of "religion", but surely a distinct approach to worship is a phenomenon in its own right, not just a POV fork of the next category up.

I acknowledge not every variant form of worship deserves a Wikipedia entry, and there's a legitimate discussion to be had about distinctiveness and notability. As to distinctiveness, the JOFA definition quoted in the article makes clear the phenomenon is clearly defined with agreed on standards and practices. As to notability, I appreciate that there is no article on your home synagogue Temple Shalom of Eau Claire, Wisconsin -- not every minyan get an entry -- but notability is due not only to the size and number of minyanim set up on an ongoing basis, (admittedly only a few dozen at most). It's also due to the numbers and prominence of the people and organizations who have talked about the concept and the number of articles and discussions they have engendered, as the sources cited in the articles plus those thousands of Google hits show. If balance isn't adequate, it can be addressed. "Shira Hadasha" and "Partnership Minyan" are different concepts in something like the way "Yeshiva University" and "Modern Orthodox Judaism" are, and both are notable in their own right. --Shirahadasha 04:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Tomer,

I suggest we tone things down a bit. The article may or may not be notable, but surely there's no issue of vanity. The article isn't promoting me, any individual I know, or anything I own or control or have a big role in. If you made an article about Temple Sholom, it may or may not be notable, but I think even your webmaster role wouldn't be enough to make it fall anywhere near the definition of vanity. You may have a warm regard for Temple Sholom, but it's just too much of a stretch even to think of it as being an extension of you. Same here. It's possible I came up with a naive choice of username and should change it yet again to something more neutral,

I'm also not understanding why you have difficulty with the issue of definiteness. Perhaps we are focusing on different aspects. I've been focusing on whether worship services are run according to consistent standards. The JOFA definition is fairly precise, sufficiently so that a Gabbai (or Gabbaiah) could use it and know how to set up a service, exactly what should be said, and exactly what parts of the service can be led by women and what by men. In this sense there is definiteness.

You may perhaps be focusing on the place they have within Judaism, how it relates to what's going on elsewhere. Are they Orthodox? Are they Conservative? Are they something in between? The Forward article quotes Orthodox figures who doubt whether the approach will ultimately be accepted as a legitimate variant within Orthodoxy. And certainly not everyone who comes to these things considers themselves Orthodox -- there's a large contingent of Conservadox/Conservative/Reform people who come for a variety of reasons. But Wikipedia certainly need take no position on this issue. An SUV is a clear concept regardless of whether one thinks it should be classified as a car or a truck.

As to notability, there's an article on the Union for Traditional Judaism. 787 Google hits. But it has an important place in denominational history, marking the struggle for self-definition on the right wing of Conservative Judaism as mainstream Conservativism moved towards the left. Phenomena like Avi Weiss' Yeshivat Chovevei Torah, JOFA, etc. mark varying degrees of disaffection with the mainstream on Orthodoxy's left as even MO moves rightward. The diverge of the two mainstreams has left an increasing gap. Perhaps one or the other group will widen a bit, perhaps a nondenominational continuum of unaffiliated groups will form, or perhaps there will be some sort of convergence and a new denomination will form between the two. It remains to be seen.

For a variety of personal reasons an approach that attempts to respect a rigorous approach to halacha while feeling more kindly towards inclusiveness appeals to me, although I make no claims to living a perfect life myself. It's definitely not for everyone. My personal view is that halacha is kind of grey -- the sources have various seeds in different directions that could potentially sprout into huge trees, but it can be read as black or white if one feels strongly enought about it, although I don't think either black or white is a fair read. I'm personally comfortable with most aspects of the Orthodox service, would be comfortable adding a prayer or two rather than change most things (although I think women should thank G-d for not being men.) I'm personally not interesting in a religion where people simply make things up as they go along. But I absolutely hate places where they put women in things that look like cages, and don't think there's any justification for reading certain things as expansively as has often done or other things as narrowly. --Shirahadasha 01:58, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Tomer, wanted to bring to your attention a recent article in the RCA's journal Tradition (they're a year behind, so it really is recent), see [1]. Here's the abstract:

For many women, exclusion from meaningful participation in the public service, including aliyyot to the Torah, is the starkest and most grating example of what they perceive as Orthodoxy’s insufficient sensitivity to their needs as spiritual beings. Rabbi Mendel Shapiro, arguing that innovation helps insure a system’s adaptability to new challenges while still balancing stability and flexibility, suggested that contemporary realities create many halakhic opportunities for women to be called up to the Torah and receive aliyyot. R. Shapiro is not the only one to have made this argument, but his article in an Orthodox journal sponsored by Edah has been identified most frequently and prominently as the supporting evidence for a small number of Orthodox congregations having adopted this practice, most notably Congregation Shira Hadasha in Jerusalem. Both for its inherent interest as an attempt to mine sources creatively and for its impact on the current Orthodox world, R. Shapiro’s analysis deserves serious consideration. (emphasis added)

The article isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of Mendel Shapiro's or Shira Hadasha's approach. But it does make clear that the RCA regards the phenomenon itself as not only a notable issue but an important one, one deserving of serious consideration and careful scholarly treatment in its leading journal. I hope this description, which is clearly a reliable source as to what a large segment of the English-speaking Orthodox world regards as notable, puts an end to any disagreement about the notability of the phenomenon and its appropriateness for inclusion in Wikipedia. All the best, --Shirahadasha 19:07, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

help

Can you comment here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus#recent_changes Slrubenstein | Talk 13:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Problematic new user name

Hi Tomer: Please encourage new User:Jewish to change his user name, see User talk:Jewish#Problem with your user name. Thank you. IZAK 16:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

TShilo! What is this!?

Peace

I saw this on Graham street yesterday. You and your friends aren't out causing trouble are you? ;) (I saw this and knew I would have to give you a hard time on it.) Autoshade 00:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Yadav scythic origin do you have a copy of that

I saw your concern for the article Yadav, I too had seen that section it is nowhere now can you help trace it back and put into discussion atleast on yadav page.Holywarrior 14:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Pasted Copyright problem on Cabalist David Ben Solomon Ibn Abi Zimra

Done because the Jewish Encylopedia website has copy right all over it. If you rewrite, go head an remove it... if not... my objection stands. Cheers V. Joe 22:49, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Please assume good faith

I don't just take other people's word for it: I checked the page myself and saw that not only did the page have a copyright notice on it, that your copy and paste of the external source even had the "print this page" link still in it. That is more than enough cause for deletion without having to look any further. Having said that, if the copyright has expired of the other encyclopedia then I can't argue against taking information from it, however please pay more attention to style and formatting before pressing "save". -- Francs2000 23:04, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Judeo-Paganism article

Hi Tomer! There's a new article on Judeo-Paganism. No mention of numbers of adherents, congregations, etc. I have no clue how notable it is and don't see this as my issue. You seem to be the enforcement powers that be on this issue. But it looks like the various Jewish offshoot groups that were once clumped together in Alternative Judaism are getting their own articles. --Shirahadasha 03:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

That article is not new. I should know; I started it all the way back in 2003! — Rickyrab | Talk 02:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I started it because I saw various webpages on it, figured it would have some notability to somebody, and thus felt it a good idea to start such an article. By the way, that article actually predates Alternative Judaism. — Rickyrab | Talk 02:42, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Radbaz

I'll take a look in my library and see if I can find some definitive source on his dates. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 03:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I have tried to recollect

I have tried to recollect from what I remember abt Yadav-scythic origin.You may go through it.[2].Holywarrior 08:25, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:People killed by or on behalf of Muhammad

Thought you might be interested. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 15:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:Wisconsin License renew.jpg

An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:Wisconsin License renew.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. Please go to its page to provide the necessary information on the source or licensing of this image (if you have any), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nv8200p (talk • contribs).

Oleg

Tomer, can you look in on a brewing edit war at Oleg? Thanks, Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 01:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I am assuming you know, but just in case: BG is a sysop, so protecting is a bit one-sided :) - CrazyRussian talk/email 02:28, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I have explained on Brian's talk. - CrazyRussian talk/email 02:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

By protecting an article which one of the edit warriors can edit and the other may not you've created an "appearance of impropriety" b/c the measure does not apply evenhandedly de facto. It's as simple as that. It was a minor point, and it's not worth furthering this argument, esp. since we don't disagree. Cheers. - CrazyRussian talk/email 03:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Cronyism

Hello, if you and your buddy Briangotts stick together on Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism, it doesn't follow from this that you have authority to protect any page he requested. In case you don't know, we have WP:RFP for discussing such matters. Since you two decided to settle the matter by protecting the page in the spirit of cronyism and collusion, I'm going to raise the issue of admin abuses on WP:ANI. I'm not going to suffer Briangott's attempts at bullying and intimidation any more. Take care, Ghirla ^-трёп- 08:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Ghirlandajo

has seen fit to start making threatsover a user dispute at Oleg. I have done my best to be reasonable but his trollism and pattern of vandalism (see also Oleg of Novgorod is driving me to distraction (to the minimal extent it's possible to be upset by virtual interactions with people I've never met). Your counsel and assistance would be greatly appreciated. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 12:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

JE Citations

any thoughts? --Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 12:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Cheers

Oh yeah, "cheers." That's sincere. Thanks.

"...an attempt to make contributors to WP:JEW adhere to a Christian philosophy of "turning the other cheek""

Yes, that is exactly what I was trying to do. It is part of my evil plot against Judaism. The insidious interpolation of the teachings of the imposter Jesus are central to my aims. My only regret is to have been discovered.

Your advice to "straighten up" is similarly well taken.

Cheers, TimTimothy Usher 13:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Israel shamir

I wonder if you might fimd a chance to take a look at this incident: WP:ANI#User:Israel shamir - anti-semitism and personal attacks. Your input would be greatly appreciated.Timothy Usher 05:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Hebrew and Yiddish are [primarily] languages

As you've recently made numerous edits to "disambiguate" my use of [[Hebrew]] and [[Yiddish]] in the wiki internal-link syntax for the respective languages, I'd like to comment: Technically you're correct, even though there are apparently redirects for both when an editor fails to write the full form, i.e. [[Hebrew language|Hebrew]] and [[Yiddish language|Yiddish]] . We can surmise that the redirect was set up because others, besides myself, don't always take the time or make the effort to write the full form. BTW, are you running a bot to perform the "<dab>"?

I do consider the value of disambiguation in running text for the names of languages which are also adjectives for geopolitical entities and nations, e.g. English, French, Polish vs. English-language, French-language, Polish-language, etc. Thanks to your pointing out that I haven't been consistent in writing this way; I'll endeavor to do so from now on.

However, in similar running text, the above does not argue for adding "-language" to [[Hebrew]] and [[Yiddish]] -- which are essentially the names of these languages as well as their adjective form (in the great majority of instances). We hardly need be reminded that there was never a "Yidland" or that Israel is the sole sovereign state where Hebrew (not "Israelish") is the primary (though not sole) official language.

So I hardly think any ambiguity is involved in writing "Hebrew" and "Yiddish", such that text editing of this sort would be superfluous, besides cumbersome and intrusive. (And BTW, all my ancestors come from the unnamed "Yidland" and I myself live in Israel :-) -- Cheers, Deborahjay 09:52, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Update to clarify the above: Having read your response at my User Talk page, Tomer, I can see that my discussion above was oriented toward the use of "language name" vs. "language name_language" in text editing. Your explanation of disambig for this in Wikipedia linkage was certainly helpful in providing me with some understanding of the whys and wherefores of this issue in theory and practice, that had previously eluded me for the most part. Thanks! -- Deborahjay 23:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello, please do something fruitful...

... rather than making more unsubstantiated accusations. [3] Socafan 23:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Regarding this , this, and this edit summary :
Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.
Stop reposting it or you will get in serious trouble. Socafan 23:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

As you continue to attack me, I file a complaint at the administrators' noticeboard. Socafan 23:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion Both of you stay off each others talk page. For now, nothiing more can be gained from further communication. --FloNight talk 00:15, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Copied my reply from my talk page here.

Tom, I saw it already. Many people are aware of the situation. You need to calm down and have faith in the system to work, okay. For now you are not the right person to point out his behavior. It is falling on deaf ears and only frustrating you. Put this out of your mind and go find something enjoyable to do for a few hours. Take care, --FloNight talk 00:26, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Banu Nadir

Hey... look... if that anon keeps it up he will be blocked... I know you took offense and that's fine but the Qur'an comment will just make it go in circles. Please don't respond to his attacks so hopefully we can end this... or if he keeps it up I will block him. Does that sound good? gren グレン 23:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

You had already responded and it was fine, if I may judge your talk page-ness :) ...okay... hopefully this is over with now and back to fun Badu Nadir debates... gren グレン 23:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Will do. I've always wondered why Saturdays were so good for editing... it's because all of your type are gone :) Well, sorry if I was rude and such... I was just trying to head off what I saw as a brewing storm. Have a nice shabath. gren グレン 23:41, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:Israeli propaganda

Hi Tomer: Meet the new Category:Israeli propaganda. All the best, IZAK 08:28, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Orthodoxy "founded" issue

Hi Tomer! The discussion on Talk:Judaism on this issue seems to be heating up a bit. Both Conservative and right-wing Orthodox Judaism have a mutual interest in presenting themselves as the only two possible traditional alternatives. Haredi says if you're not a right-wing fundie you're Conservative and Conservative says if you're not Conservative you're a right-wing fundie. They agree. And both have distaste for a position in between. But I think Daniel Sperber's positions generally have a lot of merit. You're welcome to come out and blast it if you prefer. --Shirahadasha 05:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I inserted the comment that I did about Reform Judaism into Talk:Judaism because of the above comment. I did not see the word "traditional" in the above comment beforehand; otherwise, my comment would likely not have appeared. — Rickyrab | Talk 02:57, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Forging

Hi, I've just noticed that a user called User:MeBee has forged your comments at Talk:Hebrew_Gospel_of_Matthew, the evidence is here. (I've now removed the forgery)

I think that they are a sockpuppet of User:Melissadolbeer, and are trying to recreate Authentic Matthew (now a redirect) at Constantine Conspiracy. Clinkophonist 22:51, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

IP Address Duplication

Tomer, I notice that IP address 165.89.84.88 has been used by other(s) unknown to me, apparently for some time, and that edits coming from that address have unfortunately included some very nasty spam. (See for example the edit to Garden of Eden on April 28 2006.]] This was not me. (the ice hockey and various other edits aren't mine either). I will try to avoid using the computer with this IP address without signing in. --Shirahadasha 16:49, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

A short Esperanzial update

As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, —Celestianpower ^háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Criticism of islam

Hi TShilo12,

The Norman Stillman quote also appears here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Islam#Non-Muslim_perspectives_on_Muhammad

Regards, --Aminz 19:40, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism

Dear TShilo12! I have created Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism. Please put it on your watchlist, and please add relevant AfD's as you find them. Cheers. - CrazyRussian talk/email 21:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Try to start Project sharks up

Hi!

You showed interest in Project sharks a while ago, now I have seen some nice cooperation in a few shark articles so I have invited a few more people to try to start it up. If you are still interested please come back and help to make things take off. Stefan 14:16, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Regional vocabularies of American English

Hi Tomer, JackLumber here. I was just puttering around with the above-mentioned article---much of a fixer-upper indeed---when I came across your suggestions on the talk page thereof. Yes, most of what you said is correct. Just one thing---when you noticed those blunders (such as powwow listed as Chinook), WHY DIDN'T YOU FIX THE ARTICLE YOURSELF?!? That's Wikipedia, that's just the way it works ;-) I noticed the errors under "Pacific Northwest" about 6 months after your post---and before reading your post! Anyways, wanna help cleanup the "North" section? (In the meantime I completely changed the layout). As for the "What kind of American English do you speak?" quiz, mischief night, toilet papering, cruller, sneakers, cellar, rotary, gut, sunshower, carriage, /ɺut/, /ant/, and /'mɛɺi/-/'mæɺi/-/'meəɺi/ are "Yankee" (meaning "Northeastern" in this context, although some of these terms are local to some areas while others are widely used throughout the U.S.; I believe that soda is also considered "Yankee"); devil beating his wife, catty-corner, buggy, crip course, y'all, icing, rolling, and coke are "Dixie"; devil's night, frosting, drinking fountain, and kitty-corner are "Upper Midwestern." Incidentally, I speak 45% Yankee (and I say basement, not cellar), 40% General American English, and 10% Upper Midwestern. (5% unspecified!) But my American is way too polluted anyhow. JackLumber. 14:18, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

List of Puerto Ricans

One of the main concerns about the "list" is that it is getting out of control and that many names of people who have only had their "15 minutes of fame" or simply are non-notables are being added. I propose that we set up guidelines as to who should be admitted with a clear definition as to the terms "notable" and "fame". I am calling upon the parties interested to express their opinion and to help develope these guidelines. I believe that after we take a vote and reach a censensus, said guidelines should be followed and posted either on the article or the articles talk page. We need your help. Tony the Marine 19:50, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Please particpate here: [4]

Messianic POV in Judaism article

Hi Tomer: Kindly see Talk:Judaism for some debates about POV issues concerning the article. Thank you. IZAK 04:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Some category namings

Hi Tomer: Please see:

• Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 June 29#Category:Orthodox educational institutions to Category:Orthodox Jewish educational institutions and
• Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 June 29#Category:Orthodox Jews to Category:Notable Orthodox Jews

Thank you. IZAK 05:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Shefa Network

As per your note by your vote, can you give me more information why you voted keep? --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 11:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Please see my response on my talk page. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 23:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Ashkenazi Jews

Hi Tomer: Your input would be welcome at Talk:Ashkenazi Jews#"Related Ethnic Groups". Thanks. Be well. IZAK 09:45, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Talmud Revert War

RK and TalmudDefender seem to have gotten themselves into a revert war in the Talmud article. Still kinda new to how these disputes get resolved, but they seem to require some sort of assistance. WOuld you be interested in taking a look? Thanks, --Shirahadasha 23:44, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

AfD Jewish Communists

Hi, I answered your contrib on the AfD page. Mazzeltov. ActiveSelective 01:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

NOTOC

re: [5] - why? I truly don't know. - CrazyRussian talk/email 04:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

OK. I don't intend to change it. In fact, it wasn't me who removed it nor do I care, frankly. I was just shocked at the stridency of your response and my total lack of awareness of this POLICY!!! :) - CrazyRussian talk/email 10:39, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

UN List of Non-Self-Governing Territories

Hi. Last year, user:Tomer (clicking on which forwards to you) posted a couple of questions on the discussion page for the referenced article United_Nations_list_of_Non-Self-Governing Territories. I wanted to mention that I've recently added some content to the article as well as a few words on the discussion page that might be of interest in response to the questions. If they were your questions, I didn't want you to miss it if you aren't watching the page. Newyorkbrad 14:57, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Israeli members of Knesset discussion

About the criteria, you are right, and I have already replied to you in the discussion. About your accusations of gross misunderstanding of history, I just have to say that it is true that Israeli Arabs are Israeli citizens. There's no doubt about it. In the same way, from that point of view, if someone was born in The Netherlands in 1941, that person would be German, isn't it? They live in an occupied territory, such fact doesn't change their nationality, that's the point you seem to ignore, a paper won't make them Israelis, actually, they will be second-class citizens forever, since they are not jews. And, with due respect, it is a bit strange to see your opinion about several independence movements and not making the same judgement to the Palestinian one. Just one more thing, I've met several Palestinian politicians and diplomats in my life, perhaps you didn't, so, don't think your Jewish ancestry, which I respect very much, puts you in a better position to discuss this issue and grants you the right of being arrogant and claiming that I ignore historical facts. Mário 23:46, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I think you've made a good decision. Mário 09:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

No personal attacks s.v.p. Homey 06:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Joseph Kennedy

I've added a section dealing with his virulent (even for the day) anti-Semitism. If you have any additional info, please feel free to add. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 17:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Some folks are trying to chip away at it, too... Why people rush to defend this monster is beyond my ken. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I've done about all I can on this. Rjensen continues to whitewash. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 20:41, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

concerning User:Haham hanuka/Alex

Sorry to drop in on you like that, but you were recommended to me by Briangotts ; could you have a look at the link above and tell me if this article in userspace could constitute an attack or something in this line? I've semiprotected it at a the users request, but as he has been, let's say difficult, in the past, I kind of wonder. Cheers and many Thanks in advance. Ps.: see also here. I see you've got an he-account, so perhpas you would know about some alleged problems with haham hanuka. Cheers. Lectonar 14:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Sheynhertz-Unbayg

Hi Tomer: Could you please take a look Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Sheynhertz-Unbayg. Editors of Hebrew and Yiddish pages have come across User:Sheynhertz-Unbayg's work over the years. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt in the current RfC. Your views would be appreciated as this appears to be a cultural miscommunication too. Thank you IZAK 04:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Río de la Plata

You may want to check a recent edit to the first paragraph of that article. I'm too tired to start all over again.

Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 21:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Shiny Shoe Music

An article you contributed to, Shiny Shoe Music, has been nominated for deletion. You may wish to comment on the nomination. See WP:AFD#How_to_discuss_an_AfD.2FWikietiquette.—msh210℠ 19:47, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

thanks

thanks for the correction —Preceding unsigned comment added by SLATE (talk • contribs)

Beit Hamikdash article

Hi Tomer: Please read the attached request I received . Thank you. IZAK 07:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Need administrator help in Temple in Jerusalem

Hi Izak,

A user by the name of Biblical1 has completely rewritten the Temple in Jerusalem article multiple times, presenting some rather speculatve views of a few contemporary thinkers as objective fact and scholarly consensus. At this point, would it be possible for you or some other administrator to freeze the page and guide a discussion on the Talk page? Thanks, --Shirahadasha 04:46, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• Hi Shirahadasha: Thanks for contacting me. I am not an admin, but I will bring your message to the attention of others who may be able to help you. It is also very ironic and sad that on the eve of Tisha B'Av that this needs to be dealt with. Sincerely, IZAK 07:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

let's remove this

Our whole shouting at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Orthodox Judaism. Is it ok with you to delete the whole part after Crz's last comment? I apologize for being a bit annoyed (this Sanhedrin stuff is not making my mood any better either). Let's remove the fighting and continue in a constructive manner. --Daniel575 08:51, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

jerusalem temple

Hi,

I would like to direct you to the Jerusalem temple discussion. Shirahadasha requested a complaint based on 'speculatve views of a few contemporary thinkers'. If you follow the discussion, the professors were classified as "contemporary" because of their practicing university, I believe Shirahadasha also classified one as contemporary because she was an 'Executive Director of the Center for Lesbian and Gay Studies.'

There were no grounds for it being speculative as the information came from published works distributed to religious studies scholars at public institutions, I just so happen to be in a biblical studies class. I find it disturbing that people can edit articles and information based on hollow allegations. I think Shirahadasha is like many other users who "guard" articles to see if they conflict with their prophetic view of history (or their view of history that arises from religious scripture). This in turn means they alter facts that conflict with their personal view, in which case they resort to attacking the sexual preference of the author of the source.

Shirahadasha even went as far to say "biblical scholarship(a form of religion studies) is not npov"...

Religious studies :

The multi-disciplinary, secular study of religion. It is distinct from theology and incorporates multiple disciplines and methodologies including the sociology, psychology, philosophy, and history of religion in addition to comparative religion

Biblical1 06:16, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Tomer,

Thanks for stepping in with the dispute on Temple in Jerusalem I've added some comments (no doubt way too many). I'm sure I will have to learn how to handle this sort of situation more efficiently. Best, --Shirahadasha 18:20, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, my sincere congratulations to Biblical1 for being in a Biblical Studies class! I wish him well in his first Biblical Studies midterm. Study hard and all that. Good luck! --Shirahadasha 04:35, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Oceanic whitetip shark for FA

Hi!

We are trying to get Oceanic whitetip shark to FA status, if you have some time please review and update. Stefan 03:37, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Warn

If you are referring to the warning given to me by Alias Flood let me tell you that his warning was utter bullshit. All I did was add an apostrophe to in certain places in Centurion Tank in the section about the Sho't tank; that is the correct name and previously it had been 'shot'. That is ALL I DID you can check the history for my IP in Centurion Tank and see what I edited (well duh). There's the edits right here. -->

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Centurion_tank&diff=prev&oldid=54296123 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Centurion_tank&diff=prev&oldid=54296081 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Centurion_tank&diff=prev&oldid=54296166

And my contrib page. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=70.118.115.49

Besides that BS yes I did put slimeball in that woman's entry. She IS a slimeball if you read about her ad campaign against Terry Anderson in 2004.

70.118.115.49 04:07, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

As an outside, neutral party, I can answer that for you -- per WP:NPOV, it's not acceptable to call someone a "slimeball." We need only present facts, and let readers make their own decisions. Luna Santin 04:10, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

"If you're up to it, an even cursory review of your edits indicates that you are unfamiliar with WP:CITE as well."

If possible, could you tell me which edits were bad ones (besides this one)? I'm pretty sure when I add content it's because I'm sure of it (talking about something factual, not vandalism).

70.118.115.49 04:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Miriam Article's Dissappeared

Hi Tomer!

Linking on Miriam now refers to a disambiguation page, and it looks like the page's link to the Biblical Miriam doesn't work -- it goes right back to the same disambiguation page. Couldn't find any way to get to the original Miriam article. Also, there's there's an article Snow-white Miriam which should probably be merged once the original Miriam article is recovered or reconstructed. Best, --Shirahadasha 04:28, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Tomer, SlimVirgin had moved the article, and it looks like she moved it back between the time I wrote my comment and the time you answered. One of those things. Best, --Shirahadasha 05:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I didn't move it to start with. I just noticed it had been moved, so I moved it back. :-) SlimVirgin ^(talk) 05:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)