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I thought I saw you replace Elizabeth, New Jersey with a redirect with the other redirects you were doing, and such an edit would be vandalism. It did not show up on your contributions however, so I was mistaken and replaced the notice with a welcome message. Doc Quintana (talk) 15:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

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When you leave a message your not supposed to put it in the archives as you did at User talk:Doc Quintana/Archive 3. I've moved it to the appropriate place. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 15:08, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

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Men's major golf championships

I have reverted your cut-and-paste move of this article. Firstly discussion is needed, and secondly is a correct way to move an article which preserves the edit history. Regards. _wjemather^bigissue 08:11, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I note your stated intention to remove the word golf from other articles, and would suggest discussion is needed there also. Regards, _wjemather^bigissue 08:19, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I had put up a note a YEAR ago pointing out that the current page title is wrong and no one responded. I'm not sure how it get set up this way, but using the word "men's" when referencing these tournaments is incorrect and needs to be changed. The word "golf" is also redundant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Starwrath (talk • contribs) 13:03, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

While I agree in principal, they are generally thought of as the men's majors since no woman has ever qualified. The note you left a year ago only related to this and was not clear that you were proposing a move/rename. You also removed the world golf when you tried to move the article. Again, I tend to agree on this point and am not sure if the disambiguation is required. In any case, discussion needs to be held to determine an appropriate title should consensus agree to the move. I will start one of later when I have more time. Regards, _wjemather^bigissue 13:14, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Having the terms "men's majors" redirect is fine, but the actual page should be the correct name/reference to the topic, and unless someone can come up with a large number of sources that say these events are specifically known as "the men's major golf championships" then the page should be changed to what they are actually known as, which is simply "the major championships." While they are "recognized" as played by men, I've never seen this specifically mentioned. Wikipedia, attempting to emulate an encyclopedia, should have the proper name, not the name some people "think of it" as. You also reversed my edit that added in a few citations, and changed the term "the majors" to be bold per WP guidelines (that redirecting terms to the page should be bold - that's what I was told on The Masters page). Starwrath (talk) 14:07, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

As I said above, I broadly agree, but I think we need to have the discussion first. Note I have now removed this from the WP:GOLF recent updates list. That page is specifically not the place to have discussion. I will start proper discussion asap on the talk page of the majors article, following on from the comment you left last year, and leave a notice of the discussion on the WP:GOLF talk page (WT:GOLF). After a week or so we should be able to judge the next course of action. Regards, _wjemather^bigissue 14:10, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

3RR

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on The Majors. Users who edit disruptively or refuse to collaborate with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular the three-revert rule states that making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block. If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the talk page to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording and content that gains consensus among editors. If unsuccessful then do not edit war even if you believe you are right. Post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. _wjemather^bigissue 18:16, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

• The person who made the change should have to form a consensus first, not the other way around. Otherwise I could keep changing "Men's major golf championships" to "Major championships" and your continual reverting of my edits would get the same warning + blockage. Starwrath (talk) 18:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

• Nonsense. WP:BRD. Don't edit war. Since you were made aware from another talk page, you should have discussed first before blindly reverting. _wjemather^bigissue 18:25, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

• Shouldn't you have started a discussion after my first revert according to that then? Starwrath (talk) 18:27, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

• Dont' play that game. There was already discussion elsewhere which you were involved in. I also requested that discussion should move to the appropriate talk page should you want to take it further. You did not and have now violated 3rr. _wjemather^bigissue 18:33, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

• Don't play what game? We hadn't started any discussion yet regarding "the majors" specifically on that talk page. According to the thing you linked me, after the revert, the person wanting the change is supposed to start a discussion. You just reverted again, and only stated that you were reverting, not discussing the reasons for the reversion. I still fail to see how the person says "form a consensus first" would be at fault here. Starwrath (talk) 18:37, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

• I do not believe that you failed to see my and others comments here. _wjemather^bigissue 18:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

• I read "You're right, I jumped the gun on Major championships, since it's the target of this move request, but I stand by my change to The Majors" and "Reverted The Majors back to a dab page. Clear cut case for me. Further discussion on that topic should be on its talk page not here" after he made the first change. To me, neither of those is a discussion on the merits of moving, just stating an intent to move. Am I incorrect? Regardless, your argument about Google results shows that this likely isn't the primary topic even if I think so, so I agree it should be a disambiguation page, but I do think it should be separate from "Major". Starwrath (talk) 18:50, 15 October 2010 (UTC)