User talk:StarryGrandma/Archive 2

Messages posted on my talk page in 2013.

February 2013

I'm very new to Wikipedia and don't even know where to say thank you...but thanks for your very helpful comments on the Sandra Waxman page.Jwoodring (talk) 18:53, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Abigail MacBride Allen

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May 2013

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Thanks for the notice, but this is the needed link in this case. Maybe Dalles shouldn't be categorized as a disambiguation page? StarryGrandma (talk) 19:34, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

July 2013

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Thank you for pointing out that I forgot to add reference to Kato on unbounded operator. The reference has now been added but I am unsure how to remove your comment on page.Lost-n-translation (talk) 02:00, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Sandy Waxman's page

Thanks for your (continuing) comments. I appreciate any help, as I would love for this page to just get published! In answer to your question, yes, there are two Louis W. Menk Psychology Professors (Doug Medin and Sandy Waxman). I've attempted to follow editors' suggestions and Wikipedia guidelines regarding citations, but, while Waxman has published many articles (and has been cited many times by others for one pub in particular), it's not the nature of the Psychology research field for "notable" researchers (other than Freud, Piaget and other extraordinaries) to be written about by others in the field. I'm happy to have all citations about her research removed if that will better satisfy Wikipedia standards. :-) Jwoodring (talk) 15:20, 2 August 2013 (UTC)JWoodring

Thank you Jwoodring for the information. I am rewriting the page myself as an example of what an academic's page should look like. I'd like to see more women researchers with articles in Wikipedia. I've found enough references by looking up her awards. I am going to try to describe her research and include her papers as references to that. Which of her papers is the one that is most frequently cited? I'll ask you to check what I've written to make sure I have it right. (I need to rewrite the description of Fay Ajzenberg-Selove's work. Whoever wrote it got the physics wrong.)

You are right about the difficulty of finding assessments of researchers work. There are notable researchers who haven't gotten these kind of awards but whose research has had a lot of influence. The best source seems to be obituaries! Not much gets written directly before then. It's tricky. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:11, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

August 2013

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thank you for the changes you have made to the article "Anitha Shaiq" hope forward your help again to make it a slandered one--89.211.99.28 (talk) 19:31, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Interview request: Your interactions with new editors

I'm contacting you about a study that I'm running with TheOriginalSoni exploring newcomer mentorship activities in Wikipedia. I'd like to ask you a few questions about your interactions with newcomers and to explore how a tool like WP:Snuggle might make your work easier. The interview and demo session will take 30 minutes to an hour depending on how much time we spend discussing things. If you're interested, let me know. If not, disregard this message and I won't bother you again.

• Study overview: meta:Research:Peer_mentorship_and_snuggle
• Consent form: meta:Research:Peer_mentorship_and_snuggle/Consent

Thanks for your consideration. --EpochFail (talk • contribs) 15:25, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

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AN/I notice

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Ownership issue on Federal assault weapons ban page?. Thank you. (This is only in regard to your mentorship of Lightbreather, and is an issue you should be aware of while mentoring. Thank you for agreeing to mentor.) I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 01:32, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, and an invitation

Dear StarryGrandma,

Thanks again for consentoring to my mentoring, which means, of course, thanks for the primo and much-appreciated advice.

I think I want to work on some women's pages, and especially on the gender gap in WP.

I don't know if you've heard of this, but thought you might like to participate: Ada Lovelace Edit-a-thon

I otter be going to my dentist appointment now.

Thanks again.

Your mentee,

--Lightbreather (talk) 15:52, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Happy as always to help you. I hadn't heard about the edit-a-thon. It's too bad I'm nowhere near Brown University, but that's a great list of women whose articles need work. I once met Vera Kistiakowsky. StarryGrandma (talk) 23:13, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

You don't have to be there in-person. You can participate online! Lightbreather (talk) 23:18, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

help with Sandra Waxman page?

Thanks for your comments back in July regarding a page for Sandra Waxman. To be honest, we just want to get the page published; I feel like I've addressed the concerns of editors (and it seems there are published pages that are far less complete), so I'm not sure how to proceed. I would be happy for anyone to edit away (delete whatever is necessary) to get the page into the public eye. Do you have some advice for how we should move this along? Thank you for your thoughts.Jwoodring (talk) 16:12, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

You are right. I will approve the article. I gathered some references here then wasn't sure could phrase the research correctly. I heard a lovely interview with her on NPR recently. StarryGrandma (talk) 16:31, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Awesome you! Thank you very much. And yes, the recent publicity was very nice. Thanks again.Jwoodring (talk) 16:38, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey, thanks for cleaning up the language refs. I updated the populations for a lot of articles, and was too tired to clean up the dependent refs. — kwami (talk) 22:01, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

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Advice?

I stayed away from the assault weapons ban article for 20 days and its talk page for 2 1/2 weeks. Then I posted a suggestion on the talk page re: the article title. An editor there has been after me ever since I asked for her help over two months ago (on an issue that has since been partially resolved). I am editing in good faith, but she is convinced that I am not. If I make edits to the article, she tells me to discuss them first on the talk page. If I start a discussion, she says I'm being disruptive. The net effect of her actions is to discourage me from editing the article - but the article is POV and I want to improve it. Have you ever had to deal with a situation like this? Do you have any advice? Lightbreather (talk) 00:11, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I've been thinking about this a bit, and the best advice I have is to stay away from the topic. I know that's hard because this is what drew you to Wikipedia in the first place. I haven't had experience with this editing, but I've seen this happen on other articles. The quasar article went through a long period of problems before it settled down to being a good scientific article. See Talk:Quasar/Archive for 2009#Regression in the quality of the Wikipedia 'Quasar' entry. Sometimes it just helps to go away for a while.

Just keep working on other stuff. Wikipedia really needs people who can write. I started here hoping to work on computer history here and astronomy on the Simple English wikipedia. But I've been doing mostly cleanup instead because I find it hard to compose material into an already existing article. Any suggestions from you would be very welcome. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:27, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Lightbreather, you should listen to your mentor. You are picking up on the AWB article exactly where you left off. That is not good. If you continue, your presence at ANI will likely pick up exactly where it left off. Please don't take it as a threat, I am trying one last time to reach out to you. Listen to what your mentor has told you, it is good advice, I very strongly suggest that you follow it, and work on something other than the AWB article. Seriously. Be well. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 19:55, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello. Lightbreather recommended speaking with you in regards to mentoring. She and I were working on the Gun show loophole page. I would appreciate any tips or guidance on improving the this page and dealing with other editors there. Thanks. (DN) Darknipples (talk) 20:41, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi User:Darknipples. I've been staying away from pages in areas where the topic is a current political controversy. It is very hard for editors to focus on facts in those areas, rather than campaigning for their own causes. I have given up on trying to get editors in those areas to address structural problems with articles.

As for the article you are working on, the name "Gun show loophole" is inherently one-sided. However, that is also the name given to legislation so there may be no help for it. An example of one of the problems these political articles face is shown by the section Gun show loophole#Controversy. I have come to believe that quotes in articles like these are just a way to campaign. Here you have a couple of random quotes that were added to support one side or other. Articles get loaded down with these quotes and cause a lot of argument among editors. An article like this doesn't need any quotes at all, just summaries of positions. The section Gun show loophole#Closing the gun show loophole has a similar problem. Again random things are in there without any structure to the section. However editors resist taking these things out.

I would be glad to answer questions about general editing and to help in non-political areas. StarryGrandma (talk) 02:22, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Bot requests#New REFBot

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Request for peer review

Hi, StarryG. I created a request for peer review on the federal assault weapons ban talk page. I used the "subst:PR" template to create it, but maybe I botched it - because it's got a funny looking URL to me. Guess if it shows up on the Peer-review page within an hour, I did it right. I'll watch, and in the meantime look for one or two I might be able to review. Lightbreather (talk) 15:05, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

PS: If you're interested, or no someone who might be, this is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban/archive2#Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

I decided to tackle a peer-review article myself and decided on one about KFC. What a gas! I hardly ever eat meat and especially fried chicken (unless my husband makes it; he's a Southern boy), but I got so hungry working on it that I took my son out for lunch when he got home from work. Of course, I'm regretting it a little now, but thankfully have antacids on my desk. Ha! Lightbreather (talk) 20:44, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Have fun. I'm reading about the Federal Assault Weapons Ban and putting some notes together. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:48, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Can't thank you enough for your review. It will help so much. I wish I'd found you two months ago! Lightbreather (talk) 00:08, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

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Your feedback would be appreciated

I have written a draft "Context" section in response to your peer review and an informal review by editor Calathan about Oct. 1. Would you please give your feedback on the draft? It is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban#Context_.283rd_draft.29

Thanks. --Lightbreather (talk) 16:02, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

I am happy to read it and let you know what I think. StarryGrandma (talk) 05:31, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm reading but have to go off for a bit. Looking at background information. THOMAS at the Library of Congress is named after Thomas Jefferson. How neat. How neat one can search the Congressional Record. Jefferson would have loved this. You also solved a mystery for me with one of your references, how that "research" provision got in the bill. Thanks. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:23, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, SG. You're my hero. Lightbreather (talk) 17:34, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

I went off to the library to get educated this morning. Found the library's brand new copy of Carter's 3-volume "Guns in American Society: An Encyclopedia of History, Politics, Culture, and the Law," 2nd ed. Its so new I think I'm the first one to use it. $284 list price according to the library catalog!

I finished the review and am putting it on the talk page of the article. Don't be discouraged by the amount of rewriting I've suggested. Most public statements by people aren't very useful in an encyclopedia article like this. We need what happened, not what people were saying about it at the time. I haven't tracked down all the information yet that I said should be in there. I'm keeping looking and I'll put it together for you. Fascinating stuff. Happy writing. StarryGrandma (talk) 23:43, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks, SG. You really give 110 percent! I'm not discouraged by your suggestions. Frankly, I used so much so-and-so said because that's how at least half of the article is written. Now, the Criteria section might be a nice summary of the assault weapons detail, except other editors have deemed it appropriate to insert the words "cosmetic" and "mere" there, which seems to me the wrong section for those words (or whether "mere" belongs at all). Also, I think Provisions belongs before Criteria. But I digress...

Tomorrow, I'll be back at my computer (typing this from my phone). Looking forward to reading your review again on a big screen!

Forever in your debt, Lightbreather (talk) 01:23, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I regularly find references to an in-depth Cox Newspapers study from 1989, but have not been able to find a copy. Have you found it anywhere? Lightbreather (talk) 15:12, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Just an update: I am off to my library to look for some of the sources you've suggested that aren't available online. Wish me luck! Lightbreather (talk) 21:34, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I plan to travel to the nearest city with my husband or my sister next week or the week after to access some of the sources there that libraries in my metro area do not have. Hope to finish up a draft Background and legislative history for the federal AWB page in early January. Lightbreather (talk) 00:47, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

PS: That Cox Newspapers series from 1989 was called "Firepower: Assault Weapons in America" by Jim Stewart and Andrew Alexander, though I still haven't been able to get my hands on it. Lightbreather (talk) 00:51, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

I will take a look. I've been away from Wikipedia for a while. I think I ran into something related, not the whole series, but maybe the important article or a summary of it. StarryGrandma (talk) 01:04, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Cool. Merry Christmas - or whatever you celebrate this time of year! Lightbreather (talk) 02:26, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year! I finally made the trip to the neighboring city that has a copy of the latest (5th - 2012) edition of Carter's Guns in American Society. Now I'd like to resume the task of adding a Background and legislative history section to the beginning of the Assault Weapons Ban page. I also bought a copy of Spitzer's 5th edition of The Politics of Gun Control. So between those two sources, plus the stuff you and I had already collected, I feel pretty prepared. Are you ready to help? I would be most beholden. Lightbreather (talk) 20:13, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Brother Cadfael's Penance, pirated copies?

You deleted all the references to e-book versions found on line. 1. How do you know they are pirated? 2. Did you check each version in the ref list, or see one such, and delete it all? It is still the case it is available for download; perhaps you have a better source reference or would reword the sentence on availability in that mode of publication? That seems better than total deletion without explanation. I marked to watch your talk page to see a reply. Thanks. --Prairieplant (talk) 18:39, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Prairieplant. I checked them all. I hadn't known about such sites until I saw them in the article. EBookEE, ebook, MoreFreeEBooks, BestEBooksFree, and RapidLibrary are all file-sharing services (like the original Napster) where people upload files for others to download for free. Zimbra is a dead link. Making copies of copyrighted material and distributing them and downloading them is illegal. Wikipedia has to be very careful about copyright violations, and it is against Wikipedia policy to have links on article pages to sites that are in violation of copyright. I wish the Cadfael mysteries were available in Kindle and Nook editions, but they don't seem to be. There seems to be no way to get them in ebook form legally for now. So we can't mention in the article that they can be downloaded illegally. StarryGrandma (talk) 03:30, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello. Glad you could tell they were violating copyright, I had not known how to detect that. Brother Cadfael's Penance is on Kindle, at least according to the website Fantastic Fiction when I last checked it. I do not have a Kindle, so I cannot say I have tried it. I have not found on line indication of Nook. So people are copying the books from paper to do that? Oh well does not matter, at least it is stopped. I listen to the audio books, and sometimes want to see how a word is spelled, a place name, and usually find it in a Russian service offering the full English text. Not reading Russian well, I ignored it, and simply found the spelling I needed. I was naive, it seems, to think that it was a legit service in Russia for those who are fluent in English. I will look at the other novels in the series for similar entries and delete them. --Prairieplant (talk) 07:12, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Can I message you privately?

Hello, StarryGrandma. May I message you privately? There is a problem weighing heavy on me, and I need your help. Lightbreather (talk) 20:06, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

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