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Speedy deletion of Theo Obrastoff

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So speedy you aren't even letting me finish typing. Solkaige 02:29, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your message on my user talk page. In answer: How about reading WP:N and WP:MUSIC before finishing the article? ---- WebHamster 02:41, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Read them. Doesn't change anything. This isn't the first article I've written for Wikipedia. But it is the first one that was marked for deletion before I even started. Solkaige 02:44, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

October 2007

Please do not remove speedy deletion notices from articles you have created yourself, as you did with Theo Obrastoff. Please use the {{hangon}} template on the page instead if you disagree with the deletion. Thank you. -- WebHamster 02:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Tit for tat

Please don't indulge in childish tit-for-tat antics. Disrupting WP to make a WP:POINT can get you blocked. Also making obvious bad faith CSD nominations can similarly get you into trouble. The {{db-bio}} tag (which, incidentally, should have been {{db-band}}) which you left on The Hamsters has been removed by myself as a bad faith nomination. ---- WebHamster 10:38, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

As regards notability "from what you can tell" is irrelevant, what counts is WP guidelines. If you take the time to peruse the history of The Hamsters article you will see that it was nominated for AfD and was kept. For the uninitiated that means that it's already passed notability by consensus. Incidentally that was a bad faith nomination too, and its instigator eventually received a blocking. Now as you stated I didn't create the article, so removing a CSD notice is NOT considered to be vandalism. It's only considered vandalism when the article's creator deletes it. Now is there any other info you need on how Wikipedia runs or do you intend breaking more of the rules? Judging by the answer you gave on your article's talk page you need to learn more about notability, sources and citations etc. Please see WP:RS and WP:MUSIC for guidelines ---- WebHamster 00:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I know how it works. I've been here a long time. Now, drop the attitude. Solkaige 00:38, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

"Sources for what?" makes it appear that you don't, as does several other of your assertions and misunderstanding of how CSD tags work. I have no attitude, I've attempted to help you with pointers to the necessary guidelines to enable you to become a more effective editor. I have remained polite and civil, in spite of your attempts at goading me with your bad faith CSD nominations. Incidentally I've just seen your article and in spite of your long experience you appear to have misunderstood how to do inline citations and footnotes. Please see WP:References as a guide. ---- WebHamster 00:43, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

You have remained civil and polite while insulting me and my articles continuously... and while trying to get them deleted before they're started? How about letting someone else give me pointers? Solkaige 00:47, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

THe reason I asked "sources for what?" was because there were no outrageous claims or wild statements in the article. All pretty simple and direct bio information... easily sourced for anyone with a search engine. Do we need a source to prove that he is a songwriter? A source to prove he had a son that died? 00:50, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Please make up your mind, I can't be civil and polite AND insulting. For your further education though I will explain why your article was flagged for deletion. As soon as you click save your article becomes live and as such comes under the rules/guidelines of Wikipedia. At the time I flagged the article there was no assertion of notability whatsoever in the article. The corollary to this is that don't make an article live until it fulfils the necessary criteria. You can do this by either using preview mode or you can create the article in your own user space until it's ready to go live then move it across to article space. Meanwhile you article still does not meet the criteria for notability, and won't until you supply substantial, independent and non-trivial sources for all claims made in the article. For example do you have sources that demonstrate that substantial sales have been made on the CDs in the discography. Do you have sources that show his touring schedule, do you have sources that show that there was an agreement for other musicians to come and help him create a disk. Don't forget that in this day and age the world and his wife can easily make CDs themselves and sell them. This doesn't mean that merely because they have more than 2 CDs that they meet the criteria of WP:MUSIC. The article says a lot but doesn't verify any of it per WP:RS. Meet those conditions and I'll be perfectly happy to removed the prod notice myself. Alos please don't feel that you ahve to reply on both our talk pages. If it makes it easier for you just reply on yours. ---- WebHamster 01:00, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, some of what you claim is not there - IS there. The Interview with Terry Taylor linked discusses the making of the album and the "agreement for other musicians to come and help him create a disk." I should be able to find tour information.. I came across some while writing the other parts of the article.

You seem to be forgetting the "independent" part of the sources requirement. A series of emails is not considered to be an appropriate source per WP:RS. Please read that link. Self published press releases and material of that ilk is not suitable. ---- WebHamster 01:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Define substantial sales. Show me other independent or minor artists article that gives sales figures in their articles. I'm not even seeing that in the guidelines. (The "polite and civil" was sarcasm, by the way) Solkaige 01:09, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

It's accomplished ordinarily by demonstrating that the CDs are on a notable label (independent or otherwise). Specific sales figures aren't required. I apologise if I gave the impression that they were. What I was attempting to get across is that a list of self published CDs that are sold in 3-figure numbers at a church meeting doesn't cut it. Another way is to demonstrate a chart listing. ---- WebHamster 01:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I've edited the article to show you how to use inline citations, and added the references section. I've removed the email interview from inline as it doesn't meet WP:RS, I've left it in the external links though. I'm not 100% sure that the Tollgate interview meets RS either but giving the benefit of the doubt I've left it in there. As regards the book, to conform to convention you need to supply an ISBN number as that tends to be a standard indicator that the publication isn't a vanity press publication. ---- WebHamster 01:38, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

WebHamster's attitude seems to be one of following guidelines and pointing these out to you. Nothing wrong with that.

Of course it's irritating to have an article you're working on marked in one way or another for deletion. It has happened to me. (Just one example I can think of offhand.) The solution is simple:

1. Ensure that the subject of a proposed article meets notability guidelines, etc.
2. Prepare the article in a subpage of your own userspace (e.g. here) until it reaches the point where it clearly demonstrates notability, is well sourced, etc etc. (Keep categories commented out, or don't add them.)
3. Cut the article to your computer's clipboard.
4. Open the redlinked page of the article to be.
5. Paste in the content.
6. Add (or de-comment) categories.
7. Preview, fiddle, save, announce it to your chums.

Pretty easy. Of course you can keep reusing your draft subpage for one article after another, and can invite people to help you there too. -- Hoary 00:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

First, he "marked it for speedy deletion" before he said a word to me or gave a single "pointer." He also marked it for "speedy deletion" almost as fast as I started typing it. It wasn't even started yet. Thats nothing but rude... how about waiting to see what it becomes first? Second, the "attitude" I'm referring to has nothing to do with simply "pointing out guidelines." That could have been done without the snotty comments about my "long experience" with Wikipedia, etc. Its unnecessary. Solkaige 00:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Uh huh. So what do you now want to do: Create a new article that you fear he may delete, resurrect an article that you think was unfairly deleted, or something else? (Please explain here, please don't bother to explain on my own talk page.) I've already explained how to do the former. As for the latter, see this. If you want help with something else, ask. -- Hoary 01:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

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