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Happy editing! JarrahTree 11:33, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- Also from me a heartful welcome. You did a great job with Bacan Malay, and also you're awareness for spurious language articles is highly appreciated. –Austronesier (talk) 19:12, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Sockpuppets edit
Hi there. Thanks for your contribution at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tumi (ancient language), but just dropping you a note to suggest you strike through the accusations that the page creator in question is a sock of that other editor. I have read some of the context, and understand you have suspicions, but we need to be very careful not to make unproven accusations of socking. There is a procedure for investigating socking, and anyone caught doing so will be instantly banned. However, all editors are entitled to us assuming good faith, so in the absence of proof, it would be much better to remove the accusations.
Thanks again for the comments. Happy editing. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:24, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for the advice. I do understand that's not very cordial but neither is starting a sockpuppet investigation (a procedure I'm not very knowledgeable about). Having looked at their edits multiple times, I'm positive they're the same person. I have no intention of censoring myself even if the facts aren't nice. Maybe it'll encourage them to back off. Semmiii (talk) 19:02, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Semmiii. THIS is how an obvious Eiskrahablo sock edit looks like[1]: 1. The removal of any reference to "Malay" and "Malayic" 2. Non-existent or totally obsolete subgroups ("Javo-Sumatran") 3. Complete ignorance of the scope of Sumatran languages as defined by real linguists 4. The language is claimed to be "regulated" by the Badan Bahasa. @Sirfurboy: FYI. –Austronesier (talk) 15:59, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Austronesier: Hey, thanks for sharing these observations. But look at Riau Malay or Natuna Malay (another questionable article btw), these also insist on the languages/dialects being regulated by Badan Bahasa! Jarringly similar, even though the claim isn't super usual. And consider this too. And here's another mention of "Sumatran". Are they a toned-down copycat? Or an indiscriminate translator? Not sure if I can explain their focus on these spurious concoctions. I haven't looked through all of their edits, but I feel like these are enough to raise a red flag. Note that Natuna Malay is their own creation in both languages. Semmiii (talk) 17:28, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- The real "perpetrators" for the Riau Malay articles are the Eiskrahablo socks @Sgphawker (the creator of the Indonesian article) and @Oars Tan (who massively added anti-Malay POV). The role of @Blackman Jr. in this case really just looks like that of a clueless translator.
- Natuna Malay looks hardly Eiskrahabloish, but 100% Blackmanesque. –Austronesier (talk) 18:28, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- FYI, @Blackman Jr. has been blocked as a sock, but of s.o. else[2]. User:Mako001 is working at rapid pace placing WP:G5-tags on all their article creations, so this means we don't have to worry anymore about the hoax and low-quality output of the sock editor. –Austronesier (talk) 08:58, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Nice. Semmiii (talk) 17:22, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- Well, there are still some remaining language and ethnic group pages which are still in need of some attention, these are ones which didn't qualify for G5. This person seems to be either the same person as, or a sibling of, the person behind the Jellywings19 sock group. Based on behaviour and clues from Checkusers, it isn't really possible to tell for sure if it is one person or two (Jellywings19 and User:JassenMarang17), but they do seem to keep the two sets of socks well away from each other's favourite topic area, with Jellywings19 going exclusively for Indonesian aviation and JassenMarang17 preferring association football and Indonesian languages & ethnic groups. @Austronesier:, FYI. Also, yes, clueless translator covers it quite well. Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 22:35, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- Nice. Semmiii (talk) 17:22, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- FYI, @Blackman Jr. has been blocked as a sock, but of s.o. else[2]. User:Mako001 is working at rapid pace placing WP:G5-tags on all their article creations, so this means we don't have to worry anymore about the hoax and low-quality output of the sock editor. –Austronesier (talk) 08:58, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Austronesier: Hey, thanks for sharing these observations. But look at Riau Malay or Natuna Malay (another questionable article btw), these also insist on the languages/dialects being regulated by Badan Bahasa! Jarringly similar, even though the claim isn't super usual. And consider this too. And here's another mention of "Sumatran". Are they a toned-down copycat? Or an indiscriminate translator? Not sure if I can explain their focus on these spurious concoctions. I haven't looked through all of their edits, but I feel like these are enough to raise a red flag. Note that Natuna Malay is their own creation in both languages. Semmiii (talk) 17:28, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Semmiii. THIS is how an obvious Eiskrahablo sock edit looks like[1]: 1. The removal of any reference to "Malay" and "Malayic" 2. Non-existent or totally obsolete subgroups ("Javo-Sumatran") 3. Complete ignorance of the scope of Sumatran languages as defined by real linguists 4. The language is claimed to be "regulated" by the Badan Bahasa. @Sirfurboy: FYI. –Austronesier (talk) 15:59, 11 August 2023 (UTC)