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Hello there, I'm curious, how can you be proud of being British and also want Independance? I'm not looking for an argument, as I said, just curious!--Jack forbes (talk) 18:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Times change edit
I can understand where your coming from! We will always be part of the British isles, but I do think that attitudes are changing in Scotland towards what it means to be British! My fathers generation would always consider themselves Scottish and British, but with devolution and in particular the SNP in power more and more people realise we are capable of running our own affairs, which was'nt always the case!--Jack forbes (talk) 19:10, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Languages do not respect geographical borders edit
Scots language: You are correct in stating that languages do not respect geographical borders. Though it is perhaps unwise to leave the following nonsense in the article: but arguably upto 2.5 million speakers throughout Northumberland, County Durham and Tyne and Wear.
A source for a sensible treatment of the subject is perhaps the following about the Southern Boundary of Scottish Speech. The map is here.
Since the languageness of Scots is justifiably debatable, as explained in the second paragraph and further on under Status, using Scots is an Anglic language descended... in the first sentence pre-empts the second paragraph and is arguably POV, a more neutral phrasing would perhaps be: Scots refers to the Anglic varieties derived from early northern Middle English spoken in parts of Scotland.
That, of course, doesn't solve the same problem in the Other Uses tag at the top of the page.
Mentioning that it is also called Lowland Scots is fine but Lallans is not a contraction of lowland Scots but simply the Scots form of lowlands (and is mentioned in the fourth paragraph). It would suffice to mention that Scottish Gaelic is traditionally spoken in the Highlands and Islands. More information such as and small communities in the urban lowlands may lead to demands to have that bloke in Hawick included too. It clutters the article. After all, the article is about Scots. Detailed info about the distribution of Gaelic speakers belongs in the article Scottish Gaelic.
In Scotland it is sometimes called Lowland Scots to distinguish it from Scottish Gaelic traditionally spoken in the Highlands and Islands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.134.209.37 (talk) 23:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Post-1707 edit
IMHO, one changed from English, Scottish, Welsh to British after 1707. Those born in what is now Northern Ireland, changed from Irish to British after the Irish partition. In otherwords, Liam Neeson, Sean Connary, Natasha Richardson & Tom Jones are British. GoodDay (talk) 15:27, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
PS: I brought up a suggestion at Mary McAleese article. GoodDay (talk) 15:45, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Section removed from St Andrews edit
In the centre, St Andrews was once bonded by three 'gaits' - North, South and Church - accompied by cross wynds which extended to the west of the Cathedral to the respective ports. [1] West Port on South Street is the only surviving 'gait' left in the town and the only exampt example in Scotland. [1] The towers were influenced by those seen on Netherbow Port in Edinburgh. [1] The central archway which displays semi-octangonal 'rownds' and 'battling' is supported by corrbelling and neatly moudled passageways. Side arches and relief panels were added to the gait, during the reconstruction between 1843 and 1845. [1] In South Street stands the elegant late medieval ruin of the north transept of the chapel of the Dominican Friary on the grounds of Madras College, said to date back to the late 13th century. [1][2] The only remains of the 15th century Observantine Franciscan Friary which lay in Greyfriars Gardens are the well and a small section of boundary wall which linked to the Marketgait Port. [2]
St Andrews edit
just to let you know, i have checked another source (Fife, Perthshire and Angus) about the West Port. according to the book, West Port is one of only two surviving town 'ports' in Scotland (along with Wishart port in Dundee). Kilnburn (talk) 18:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
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