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ASX 200 Companies

Hi there. I have noticed you are one of the editors of S&P/ASX 200. Its amazes me that a lot of those companies don't have articles! I just started a stub on Worleyparsons Limited, which is worth over $4b! So over the next few months, I'll be writing a few articles about some of these companies, and improving some, with a view to every ASX200 company at least having a stub to their name within the next couple of months.

If you'd like to help/know anyone else interested/would like to make a suggestion, feel free.

Have a nice day. THE KING 05:18, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I've also thought it a problem. The archives of WP:AWNB will also show others have thought so too. Just that none of us have gotten around to researching to write the articles yet. I might have created one or two, and have fixed, improved or expanded a number of others. I've done a few improvements to your stub, and added some redirects, but know nothing at all about the company itself. I moved it to the naming convention's preferred name, which picked up some more links to it, too. You might like to add it to WP:NAA and see if anyone else wants to help too. --Scott Davis ^Talk 09:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Yorkshire/North Yorkshire

I saw your comment in the discussion at Scarborough and thought you might find an explanation useful. Central government has taken decisions about the naming of places (for administrative purposes) which are resisted by the local people. North Yorkshire is officially correct, but local people feel affinity to Yorkshire as a whole. Also, the boundaries of London have been changed, and this has caused revert wars in a number of articles. I see you disambiguate links - I'd be happy to help any time with British geographical queries. CarolGray 10:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Carol. There were a fair few wrong links to Scarborough (and may still be more) which is why I support moving the article away and putting the disambig page at the plain name. Appending a state name to the article name works well for all (except for a few well-known exceptions) Australian cities and towns. A few people keep arguing about that standard for the US (at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements)) and Canadian towns, and Canada had that standard and appears to be trying to move away from it for some cities.

The debate about North Yorkshire or Yorkshire as the suffix for the Scarborough article appears much simpler and more harmonious than the discussion that led to Bath, Somerset in December and Cork (city) not long before as there was no agreement on a geographic qualifier for Cork. From here it seems that "Yorkshire" is fairly well-defined and the boundaries haven't moved. It has been divided into smaller parts, but the division only happened once, and stayed that way. Bath appears to have swapped from Somerset to Avon to BANES, but remains in the ceremonial county of Somerset. Did I get it about right? --Scott Davis ^Talk 11:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's right.

Where an Australian/Canadian/American city is named after a relatively small and unimportant British town, putting a disambiguation page at the plain name is the most impartial solution. Other examples include Rochester, Wilmington, Stamford, Windsor and Perth.

Appending a county name works well most of the time for disambiguating British places, but some common village names occur more than once in a county. When I look at Sutton (disambiguation) I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Don't be put off by my user page - this is where I keep track of what I wish I had time to do! CarolGray 13:28, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

There seem to be a fair few Australian places (in articles named Town, State) that have a dab link from an article at Town or Town (disambiguation). I (and I suspect you) would like to move most of these to unique names like Town, County and put the dab page in the place, but there seem to be a lot of people who believe "the first one should be the primary topic". It's a big job to move place articles and fix the links, as they tend to have lots of links. --Scott Davis ^Talk 13:44, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

ASX 200 Companies

Hi there. I have noticed you are one of the editors of S&P/ASX 200. Its amazes me that a lot of those companies don't have articles! I just started a stub on Worleyparsons Limited, which is worth over $4b! So over the next few months, I'll be writing a few articles about some of these companies, and improving some, with a view to every ASX200 company at least having a stub to their name within the next couple of months.

If you'd like to help/know anyone else interested/would like to make a suggestion, feel free.

Have a nice day. THE KING 05:18, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I've also thought it a problem. The archives of WP:AWNB will also show others have thought so too. Just that none of us have gotten around to researching to write the articles yet. I might have created one or two, and have fixed, improved or expanded a number of others. I've done a few improvements to your stub, and added some redirects, but know nothing at all about the company itself. I moved it to the naming convention's preferred name, which picked up some more links to it, too. You might like to add it to WP:NAA and see if anyone else wants to help too. --Scott Davis ^Talk 09:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Major Party Leader tables on NSW election page

Hi , I was hoping you might be able to offer your opinion for the MPL issue on this page or this page. Cheers. Timeshift 16:32, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Yorkshire/North Yorkshire

I saw your comment in the discussion at Scarborough and thought you might find an explanation useful. Central government has taken decisions about the naming of places (for administrative purposes) which are resisted by the local people. North Yorkshire is officially correct, but local people feel affinity to Yorkshire as a whole. Also, the boundaries of London have been changed, and this has caused revert wars in a number of articles. I see you disambiguate links - I'd be happy to help any time with British geographical queries. CarolGray 10:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Carol. There were a fair few wrong links to Scarborough (and may still be more) which is why I support moving the article away and putting the disambig page at the plain name. Appending a state name to the article name works well for all (except for a few well-known exceptions) Australian cities and towns. A few people keep arguing about that standard for the US (at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements)) and Canadian towns, and Canada had that standard and appears to be trying to move away from it for some cities.

The debate about North Yorkshire or Yorkshire as the suffix for the Scarborough article appears much simpler and more harmonious than the discussion that led to Bath, Somerset in December and Cork (city) not long before as there was no agreement on a geographic qualifier for Cork. From here it seems that "Yorkshire" is fairly well-defined and the boundaries haven't moved. It has been divided into smaller parts, but the division only happened once, and stayed that way. Bath appears to have swapped from Somerset to Avon to BANES, but remains in the ceremonial county of Somerset. Did I get it about right? --Scott Davis ^Talk 11:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's right.

Where an Australian/Canadian/American city is named after a relatively small and unimportant British town, putting a disambiguation page at the plain name is the most impartial solution. Other examples include Rochester, Wilmington, Stamford, Windsor and Perth.

Appending a county name works well most of the time for disambiguating British places, but some common village names occur more than once in a county. When I look at Sutton (disambiguation) I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Don't be put off by my user page - this is where I keep track of what I wish I had time to do! CarolGray 13:28, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

There seem to be a fair few Australian places (in articles named Town, State) that have a dab link from an article at Town or Town (disambiguation). I (and I suspect you) would like to move most of these to unique names like Town, County and put the dab page in the place, but there seem to be a lot of people who believe "the first one should be the primary topic". It's a big job to move place articles and fix the links, as they tend to have lots of links. --Scott Davis ^Talk 13:44, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I was using Google Earth, I have wondered how accurate it is considering that water bodies and roads rarely correspond to the satellite images. Determining the centre of towns I'm not too familiar with is largely guesswork. The dm coordinates seem too far off for even Google Earth's inaccuracies, on the other hand the pre-supplied dms coordinates for protected areas are usually centred nicely. - Diceman 15:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Leyland Brothers

I'm back, and have been on-wiki today, but I'm a little busy for the beginning of next week. I'll take a visit tomorrow though while I'm in the city to see what the local library holds. There's some images of Leyland Bros World here but no licence information, and I can't really make much sense of what type of website it is anyway. -- Longhair\^talk 11:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Predab concerns

Thank you, Scott, for your extensive write-up. I can't help but notice, however, that the majority of the reasons you presented deal with the convenience of the editors. As an editor who extensively works with a disambiguation scheme that's exactly opposite of the one you describe, I assure you that none of the "inconveniences" you listed is a major concern. The problem, as I see it anyway, is not with the fact that "your" system is wrong and "mine" is right (or vice versa)—both can be used quite effectively when applied in a consistent manner—it is with the fact that both systems are basically incompatible while being used within the same frame (the whole of Wikipedia). Seeing that pre-disambiguation is avoided in the majority of other areas, it seems only natural to convert to the system that does away with pre-disambiguation altogether. If the majority turned out to be the other way around, you'd be seeing me vouching for using pre-disambiguation in all cases.

This is not to convince you to change your point of view or anything; I am just trying to explain my position. The bottom line is that I don't care what system we use, but I do want to see one system, or at least one with minor variations. As Wikipedia grows, the more standardization we can introduce, the better it is for all, readers and editors alike.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:57, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I guess we share the same long term dream, except I would prefer to standardize things the way the majority of things are already standardized (which is without using pre-disambiguation). Having to move less articles is better than having to move more articles, wouldn't you agree? Especially considering that the number of articles to be moved may well run into thousands. Even if it were only the question of optimal distribution of resources (editors' time and servers' capacities), it would alone have been sufficient to make an informed decision.

As for which way it's easier for editors to edit, that can be a subject of many more theoretical debates. Truth is, we have no evidence either way. You say pre-disambiguating, when done properly, is easier on editors. I say that I had no problems with unique titles and disambiguating only when necessary (again, when this is done properly). None of us can support these statements with cold hard evidence, except that both of us can demonstrate lack of problems. One thing seems logical, though—having cities in a few countries named one way and cities in most of the rest of countries named the other way has a great potential for confusion and disruption, as well as increased training costs. Would you care to comment on my proposal here?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 23:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Scarborough (again)

I'm debating the use of the phrase "Most other places named "Scarborough" are named after this one." I feel that this really isn't needed, whether it's fact or not. Scarborough ← is the link if you wanted to take a look. <3 bunny 22:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I put the line in to attempt to satisfy an objection at what is now Talk:Scarborough, North Yorkshire#Requested_move. I don't care if the text is changed or removed, but I think it's helpful to identify somehow that Scarborough, North Yorkshire is most likely the one meant if there was absolutely no context provided, rather than having to scan starting from Scarborough, Western Australia and working down the list. (The Australian ones should be alphabetical and are not at present). --Scott Davis ^Talk 03:19, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I made a change, see if you think its any better. Scarborough. <3 bunny 01:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm still happy with that - thanks. --Scott Davis ^Talk 04:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Time

No problem really I really like finding eccentric time zones like this but I am short of finding good refs from my usual sources... thats all - thanks for the headsup SatuSuro 02:07, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Road transport in Australia

Nice work on kicking the much-needed overview article off the ground. I have some points I mentioned on the talk page, but I do want to say, well done for putting something together.

Time & work politics is against me at the moment so I won't be able to weigh in as much as I would like. Good work so far!Garrie 00:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

List AfD's

Hi, I notice you have listed / are involved in AfD for a few Australia-related lists lately... Do you think there shouldn't be any list of... articles or are you just throwing up ones which imply they should be current but aren't being maintained? Would you have a problem with List of Premiers of New South Wales - which would be able to summarise service information such as when they were premier, electorate they represented, party information, something that can't be done with Category:Premiers of New South Wales?

Just trying to work out if you have a vision / long term goal, or you've just been nominating bad articles. Garrie 00:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Can you please reply to my concerns at the AfD on former politicians, and can you please stop nominating these articles for deletion? They can be turned into a comprehensive list and expanded into a potential Featured List. I agree that we don't need three articles on this, but we should have one of them that has all Parliamentarians with their electorate and dates served, and any ministerial responsibilities added. To delete these articles is going to make more work of any potential list created for this purpose, and it will not just be a duplicate of the categories. Please consider stuff before you make mass nominations. JROBBO 00:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Garrie - I have no problem at all with "good" lists - well-defined criteria, useful additional information, reasonable chance of maintenance. In fact I monitor and maintain several, such as S&P/ASX 200. I have a problem with lists that claim to be complete but aren't and likely never can be, that have vague criteria (spam magnets), or that claim to be lists of Wikipedia articles/people with Wikipedia articles. The premiers are presently listed in Premiers of New South Wales#List of Premiers of New South Wales.

Thanks, I just picked premiers as an example of a list that could easily be complete and I don't intend to create that article.

I agree, any List of XXXX article must have well defined inclusion criteria. A list article which has fallen into a poorly maintained state needs maintenance, not deletion. The list of australians is unmanagable and should be broken into smaller lists with more specific inclusion criteria.Garrie 05:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

JROBBO - "Mass deletions" is extreme - I have nominated 2 for AFD, one of which was split out of the other by DXRAW. I also nominated those and another for {{prod}} a few weeks before, after discussion on the Australian noticeboard, and have voted delete on one that someone else nominated without prior discussion to me. List of Australians is a lost cause as a subject in my opinion. I will happily allow you or others to create a valuable List of Australian politicians article, but I do not believe that the current article is any more helpful starting point than a blank page would be. --Scott Davis ^Talk 01:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, that was pretty rude of me - I was just a bit annoyed, but it's not really your fault. I'm happy to change my vote on both of them pending the creation of a "List of Australian politicians" with a category of lists (or a disambig page) leading to everyone who has or does serve in an Australian parliament. It might take a while and I'm working on other stuff atm so it's not my priority, but would you be happy to support that? JROBBO 06:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Looks like we crossed messages. :-) JROBBO 06:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

BTW, I'm with you on the "List of Australians" - that is something that can't be replicated in a Wikipedia list; I'm all for its deletion. JROBBO 06:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Not to worry - I don't have the skill, resource or inclination to fix it, and had failed to trigger that desire in the people who could. I found the existing articles to be an embarrassment, and was well aware that it could be a contentious nomination. If it gets people to think about the content, then the AFD process has worked - look at smoko! In this specific case, it needs someone to make it complete and maintainable first. Once the list is complete, it is possible for more people to work on adding dates/parties/electorates/style and layout. Neither "notable" nor "has a Wikipedia article" are suitable NPOV criteria for inclusion in a list. "Was a member of the X parliament" or "Won a Y award" are. --Scott Davis ^Talk 06:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

MATS

I haven't completed it because all my sources and information had to be handwritten and photocopied from old reports and papers from the State Library (including the MATS report itself, which is absolutely mind-boggling). I intend to finish it in time, but it's just a very hard subject to get information on without going to such a place and taking the time. michael ^talk 13:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I will get a friend to make a map of the freeways in the next few days, and then I'll merge my draft into WikiSpace. As for 'Elizabeth then along the Torrens', it's worded badly, but the route is actually correct! (I'll correct the wording.) It followed the Torrens Gorge, then quickly diverted north just before Modbury, and then made its way to Elizabeth. If you've got Google Earth, it's easy to see where it would have divulged from the O-Bahn route and continued as what McIntyre Road is today. michael ^talk 13:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Aborignes

Sorry, I feel silly now. thanks Vicki R 13:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

ACOTF

Here, you do deserve a cookie at least!

Hey there, I just want to pass on a thanks for the work you do getting back to ppl who participate in the ACOTF process - I am sure it helps increase the numbers contributing while the article is the ACOTF. Here's hoping Road Transport can be improved as much as Smoko was during its AfD, or Mulesing was during it's ACOTF.Garrie 20:38, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, if I thought you were doing that good a job it would have been a barnstar ;) Garrie 21:46, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Some of the dirt highways are in fact the best route between the most significant centres of population. So I don't really think that they are named "ironically" - it's just that even though they are the highway between centres, they attract that little traffic that there is no economic need to seal the route.

Look to the origins of the word "highway" not to what it commonly implies.Garrie 01:01, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Cobb Highway is not fully sealed.Garrie 01:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

wikitravel

I just noticed a link on the strahan article - I'd be tempted to revert - do you have any idea of whether such links are considered ok or not? SatuSuro 13:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

The {{wikitravel}} template has been around for a fair while, so I presume it's OK. I've added it a few times to articles where I've deleted a lot of tourist-oriented content form Wikipedia if the place also has a Wikitravel page. Wikitravel is not run by the same organisation, but does have a free licence which makes it an acceptable target for external links. In fact you could join the end of the recent conversation at Template talk:Wikitravel if you have an opinion, either generally or specifically about its use on Strahan, Tasmania. --Scott Davis ^Talk 14:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that. SatuSuro 14:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC) Then just in Queenstown (which you just fixed) - I'll hold my breath a little longer to see if it creeps into more unlikely west coast articles - then I think I will feel the need to act... SatuSuro 14:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Collab reminder - Yup I'm troubled about the way the railways are mentioned in the first sentence - and I've got a handle on bicycle stuff - so I'll be in there - thanks for the reminderSatuSuro 12:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Nah no worries - I am probably thinking of the road vs rail argument issues here in wa history of the early 50's - things change so much - I'd need to find what i call a good ref if i was ever to even think of changing something like that - inherently the sentence is correct - but its political climates for infrastructure costs in either form of transport that i think needs a another place another article... cheers - no sign of another wikitravel in western tas or i havent been watching close enough...SatuSuro 13:25, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Heheh well you know what i feel about that! cripes I'll have to drop my tagging for the projects and think! that'll be dangerous... :) SatuSuro 13:38, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Bit disappointing to find the transport and road transport articles more or less have the same first sentence though... :) SatuSuro 13:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Thats a good one! I wont quote you though - been to too many afd parties recently... SatuSuro 14:06, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I suspect my three hose persons of the apocalypse/ or was that the drought - gnangarra/moondyne/hesperian between them - probably hesp because of his magnificent wa project lists - might know something -hes signed off tonight long ago but that message repeated to him might get a better response than I a humble please help me moondyne ed when it comes to those type things... sorry i'm about to sign off as well - cj? longhair? - anyways until next we chat, cheers SatuSuro 14:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Trust all that got sorted out - oh how my anthrop lecturers and my ex phd supe would read and weep at the discussion on terminology ... :( SatuSuro 09:02, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

It's been a week since my recent request for adminship passed, and since I haven't managed to delete the Main Page - yet - I figure it's safe to send these out. Thanks a lot for participating in my RfA; I hope to do a good job. If you see me doing something wrong, need help, or just want to have a chat, please don't hesitate to drop by :) – riana_dzasta 07:13, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Scott,

Thanks for the welcome. I can't really see any major issues with the ATCC results you mentioned. Any particular points you are concerned with?

Please let me know if I'm not following protocol with any of my contributions. I had a look at the "rules" and nearly fell off my chair.

Cheers,

GTHO 09:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

5000 runs, and Lists of lists

Hi Scott, I don't dispute your deprodding given your explanation. I'd concur a discussion is needed on lists in general. One of the reasons I created Lists of Australians was to pull them together into one place after List of Australians bit the dust, and start looking at duplicates, obscures, unmaintainables, and list articles that were just categories by another name. I'd suggest having the discussion at the 'Lists' talk page with pointers from the Aussie project and notice board. Looking forward to paring down the lists! --Steve _(Slf67) ^talk 23:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I've posted my opinion on talk:lists of Australians. Let's see what else happens. --Scott Davis ^Talk 06:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Compass Resources

Scott Regarding Compass Resources page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compass_Resources - might I ask you consider if it would not be more appropriate to revert to Golden Wattle's original work or longhair's as it was simply factual, unbiased and protect that work rather than locking and protecting a page, the neutrality of which is listed as disputed, is clearly biased and anti mining, making unsupported and potentially defamatory comments and accusations. Might I at least ask you consider deleting the link to copyright infringement contained in the protected page Compass Resources NL (2005). Retrieved on 2006-11-11. - protest web site Chriso au 03:18, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Continued on talk:Compass Resources. --Scott Davis ^Talk 09:39, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Soldier settlement (Australia)

Hi Scott, soldier settlement schemes directly influenced every state of Australia and have a direct link to irrigation commencement etc which I notice that you have an avide interest in. Until today there was no article on Wiki covering the topic. I have started it and have also suggested it to be a WP:ACOTF article - would welcome your support if you think that such an article is appropriate for a collaboration project? --VS ^{talk...images} 02:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. I have an "avid interest" in lots of things, but no particular knowledge on soldier settlement. To keep the ACOTF nomination going until the selection covering Anzac Day, you need it to collect about 8 votes, but slowly enough to allow three other selections beforehand. --Scott Davis ^Talk 06:25, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

List of Australian Touring Car and V8 Supercar Champions

Scott,

Yes, you are right, there was a championship for drivers of 2 litre Touring Cars (from 1993 to 2000/01). However I think we should record those championships separately from the List of Australian Touring Car and V8 Supercar Champions

Regards,

GTHO 10:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Conversation moved to talk:List of Australian Touring Car and V8 Supercar Champions. --Scott Davis ^Talk 10:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Woodbine Avenue at AfD

Another editor has listed an article that you have been involved in editing, Woodbine Avenue, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Woodbine Avenue. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in whether it should be deleted. Thank you. --Eastmain 03:13, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I've looked, and I think two could be delete, but the other four should probably be kept. --Scott Davis ^Talk 21:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Six Hour Le Mans

Scott,

I have just created an entry for "Six Hour Le Mans" but I'm not sure how it should be linked into "Australian Motor Sport" or if I have entered my references correctly.

Cheers,

GTHO 04:55, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I've added {{WP Australia|motorsport=yes}} to talk:Six Hour Le Mans, and [[Category:Motor racing in Australia]] to the bottom of Six Hour Le Mans. --Scott Davis ^Talk 06:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

You're back

which edit war would you like to be dragged into :) nah just joking... we've had some new piccies on the west coast tas arts from a newbie - what a relief... SatuSuro 23:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't away THAT long! --Scott Davis ^Talk 06:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Cripes so you really found that edit war after all - with the category addition you made - hope you didnt see my ravings on the talk page of the deletable article of the same name - you'll probably think i really am a nutter ;) SatuSuro 12:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Terrorism in Indonesia wasn't hard to find - I really wasn't looking for it, but followed some ramblings on another user's talk page. --Scott Davis ^Talk 12:59, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

A very interesting game of chess moves between some serbians, and an indonesian and some australians on an indonesian graveyard - reminds me of my fieldwork in java - a royal graveyard... enough politics and arguments between siblings and factions ... sigh SatuSuro 13:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Most of the articles linked from the template I added at the bottom are longer, but of similar (poor) quality to the Indonesia one. I don't know much about Indonesia, but would be surprised if an article on terrorism there didn't mention Aceh, Maluku, Timor and Papua at least - and not all of them are related to JI. --Scott Davis ^Talk 21:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

The issue and template is beginning to haunt the small band of Indonesian project - no doubt the saga will continue - the milhist antgonists have shown no sign of actually listening to the complaints - the issue is not a simple one and templates are not the way to go... SatuSuro 22:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean {{Asia topic}} originally placed, then removed, then added back by me (without realising it had been there before), or do you mean the rather ugly {{Campaignbox Jemaah Islamiyah}} / {{Campaignbox Terrorism in Indonesia}}? A brief look at Jemaah Islamiyah shows that the two concepts are not synonymous.--Scott Davis ^Talk 23:40, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Scott - sorry for a start i really wouldnt want to drag anyone into this mess - but yes the template campaign boxes had a messy combined temp for delet which i have got involved in and helped withdraw the nom last night - as even the top brass in the milhist area agreed (my talk) was not exactly a shining light - the prob is the originator has re-placed the template back into the indonesian bombing arts (one friend admin offline has suggested he can be possiby warned re his editing...) - the whole temp for delete anti argument is that it is pov and i argue non encyc but that hasnt stopped the ed putting it back... despite having it pointed out in the temp for delete all the issues that arise from putting such an item in. thank god im not on all today as i have real life to attend to otherwise in between doing thw whole indonesia project cat talk pages with class=NA to try to sort out some project cat issues - I'd pobably be harrasing people re the continued fiasco. sigh. i clog your talk page with this - sigh SatuSuro 00:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

There seems to be support for nominating each of those four campaign templates individually for deletion. One or two might get kept, but the reasons for deleting each one are different, so lumping them together didn't work at all. Sometimes the AFD process works and articles change significantly during the process - TFD can work the same sometimes. --Scott Davis ^Talk 00:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree totally - if it was possible to do a good article on the subject (with all the historical, regional, and 'types of violence' variations carefully mapped out) it would be an intriguing introduction to the country from the terms of violence and conflict - sadly there are neither the editors or the will and even a well intentioned serbian campaign box builder has really sparked the inspiration/motivation... The time and resource issue simply defeats us - and I am not a 100 per cent sure that the idea of multiple more specific article will either get done either! sigh. SatuSuro 00:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

JdH response to /Archive 7#solar tower

User:JdH wrote the following into /Archive 7 in response to a conversation last October.

I can't believe that you guys are seriously thinking that I have anything to do whith any of those Aussie projects. Of course not. All I ever did is digest information that is freely available in the internet and in the scientific literature, and let the facts speak for themselves. Anybody who takes the trouble to look at the numbers will inevitably come to the same conclusion: The Solar Tower is a loser, for the simple reason that there are other Solar thermal energy technologies out there that are far more efficient. The Australian government appears to have done its homework, and come to the same conclusion, Solar Systems to Build A$420 million, 154MW Solar Power Plant in Australia. JdH 17:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

The point is that we shouldn't draw the conclusions. Either state the facts in a neutral manner with no embellishment, or cite a reliable reference to someone who did come to the conclusion you want to have exposed. "Efficient" can mean several things - energy efficiency is one, but economic efficiency may not lead to the same outcomes. Enviromission now claims to be exploring building towers in the western USA, I think somewhere near where you said they already have much more energy efficient solar power stations. Governments also take a number of factors into account. From memory one of the factors for choosing the Victorian bid is that the Victoria Government is also throwing in $50M, leading to a larger effective result from the federal government money than a NSW proposal with no state money thrown in. The governments might also wish to develop a photovoltaic manufacturing industry, where there is little new manufacturing industry for tall round towers. They might even have made some judgement of the management and viability of the companies involved. --Scott Davis ^Talk 13:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

It is about time that you wake up to the facts. I have given all the relevant links in the past, unequivocally showing that the Solar updraft tower has a yield between 0.5-2%, while competing CSP or CPV technologies have efficiencies ranging from 30-40% This may be your opportunity to make a quick buck by shorting EnviroMission stock. JdH 14:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

The facts are that neither project has actually built anything yet, and one of them has government funding from two governments. Beyond that the economics are speculation, and in particular there is nothing to say that both projects cannot proceed. Which one you favour depends on whether you're a civil engineer or an electronic engineer. There is no more reason not to have different technology solar powerstations than that there are different technologies for gas power stations and nuclear powerstations. At the moment, I don't think I'd touch Enviromission shares even to short them. --Scott Davis ^Talk 22:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

It is of course possible to do all sorts of calculations, and make pretty good predictions of how the economic feasibility of certain designs compare to others. SunLab has done extensive calculations; those are probably the best ones available at the present time. If I remember correctly, their conclusion was that right now Parabolic trough designs look best, in the immediate future the Dish designs may surpass that, and in the more remore future Power tower designs may beat that. It appears that Solar Systems is trying to leapfrog ahead by going straight for a solar power tower design. Also, they go for a PV-based system rather than thermal systems, while SunLab's conclusion was that the economics of Solar thermal energy looks better than Photovoltaics. SunLab clearly does not believe in the economic feasibility of solar updraft towers and energy towers. I am prepared to bet a bottle of good Californian wine against an Australian equivalent that no utility-scale Solar Tower of Energy Tower will be realized anytime soon. JdH 05:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Problem

Hey I confuse you? Well at least thats more than just my wife and kids - phew! It was a logistical issue to utilise the list - as the list was used at times to divert the red link enthusiaists from clogging Perth and WA articles with their favourite band with or without articles. We have few eds on the wa project who even take any notice of this - as a consequence it was a very unoffical short term stop-gap. The WA music article to which they could be added to is beyond me - checking notability of some of the more obscure ones is weird stuff - i suppose if we lose the list - the un red ones could be somehow included in the wa music article - a deafening silence from any one on the project so far :) SatuSuro 12:34, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough :) SatuSuro 12:51, 10 March 2007 (UTC) I'll give it a go - and I've sent you an email as well SatuSuro 13:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

List of musos in west oz - the main editor for most recent edits has transferred the list to a sub page (all unlinked i think) for homework purposes - so i guess its ready to go...no other comments i dont think...SatuSuro 11:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I think List of Western Australian musicians stays with the prod tag for a full 5 days unless the only author asks for a speedy deletion, which can't happen as it has more than one author. That wasn't so bad - want to try another one? :-) --Scott Davis ^Talk 13:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Not yet - just trying to sound out some other eds off wiki re a major issue, sigh - will keep you posted SatuSuro 13:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

No problems. Just keeping the ball rolling. I hope whatever it is turns out well. --Scott Davis ^Talk 13:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to bother my talk page has disappeared.. could you help me at all? SatuSuro 14:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC) Oh its returned. very odd - sorry to have bothered. cheers SatuSuro 14:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

No probs. The logs will show you what happened. If you want to know more, ask someone by email. --Scott Davis ^Talk 14:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC) Hey i savvy now, sigh SatuSuro 22:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Lists...

I was pleasantly surprised to see those Religion and TV and Film lists disappear this morning. I hope JRG isn't too disappointed and can use his excellent referencing work on the actual articles. I've added a few more lists into the main article over the past few days, what do you think needs rationalising next? --Steve _(Slf67) ^talk 02:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

The music ones bug me. They could cover everyone who plays a guitar in their bedroom, and definitely everyone who has ever played, sung or crewed/roadie in a pub or church. Also architects and immigrants/emigrants. Television presenters might be well enough defined to be filled out instead of deleted. --Scott Davis ^Talk 02:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Scott, was in the middle of completing the list when you put the message on my page! Have referenced the information, but it needs some cleaning up. Guessing you far better skills at this than me, do you mind having a look at it again? Also not sure how to put in an 'incomplete list' message at the top. Cheers qwertytam 07:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

For whats its worth I've put my two bits in about the list of independent australian bands - consider that it should be moved to a category - particularly given such a category already exists Dan arndt 08:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - both now have {{prod}} tags, so should disappear in about 5 days if nobody objects. --Scott Davis ^Talk 12:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Scott you can watch my talk page anytime - thanks for your advice to dan - very well put and i have taken notice. SatuSuro 02:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

No worries - I haven't worked out what the point of putting an extra colon in all the links on User:Dan arndt/Musicians list is for though - it still appears in "what links here". The colon is useful for linking to a category or image instead of including it.

BTW, Your first proposed deletion has succeeded. --Scott Davis ^Talk 03:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Gawks - I though it was a means of not linking - something horribly misunderstood - just didnt want dans sub page to necessarily be dragged into things... any suggestions? SatuSuro 03:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't see it as a problem - if people find the page via "what links here", they're probably going to help. One of you can put a description of how to help at the top, like you'll find on my working pages under User:ScottDavis/plain town names. --Scott Davis ^Talk 03:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Help with a disruptive user

Hello Scott,

You may recall a little while back that the user CieloEstrellado expressed his opposition to the changes in the Chilean place naming conventions. Since that time we've had a couple of disagreements over certain terms or interpretations of them, but now I've noted that he's undertaken to make massive changes to Chilean place names without any previous discussion and in direct contradiction to the convention which he opposed. See Special:Contributions/CieloEstrellado.

I hesitate to leave a note for him about this, he's demonstrated in the past that he's not willing to be cooperative in undoing anything which he has done even if he's clearly made an error, and also because I suspect that he may consider anything I say as antagonistic. I get the impression that he's undertaken to undo anything that I might have done. For example, I sorted a listing of citys alphabetically because that seems to be the most likely way that a typical wiki user would use it, and he changed the listing to a geographical (north to south) order which is common in Chile) See [1] his change on March 8th vs Mine of Feb 6th.

I put a lot of work into making Chilean place names consistent throughout all of Wikipedia, have corrected double redirects and updated links were they were inconsistent. I can see that he has not changed all chilean names to reflect his idea of the policy, so at this stage we are back to a hodge podge of different naming methods.

I don't mind that all my "work" is undone, if it is for a good reason and consistent with the way that I had to go through in order to have it be acceptable.

I have the impression that he is a conflictive user and is likey to continue to be disruptive.

Do you have any ideas of what can be done about this?--JAXHERE | ^Talk 15:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I have posted to his talk page. If things continue, I suggest a request at WP:AN or WP:AN/I to get immediate assistance from someone less involved in the original process (I assisted you to establish the convention, and have an opinion which is different to but closer to yours than to Cielo's). You may well eventually have to follow the processes at Wikipedia:Resolving disputes. --Scott Davis ^Talk 22:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for posting the notice. I'm wondering, besides, how can these moves be undone? It seems that in several cases I've looked at that the moved pages have received another edit by the same user which makes a simple undo impossible. Is there some massive way that all these changes can be moved back to where they were -- at least until any changes in the convention have been hashed out? --JAXHERE | ^Talk 14:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm finding it difficult to assume good faith - he has visited Wikipedia since I posted my notice, but not responded to it. Analysis of his page moves and edits suggests an unauthorised bot may have been used, each mapge move was followed by editing "#REDIRECT" to "# Redirect" to prevent non-admins from moving the pages back. I've moved back around half, I think, and edited several of the list articles to use the naming convention-approved names for linking to cities, so that other editors are more likely to use the right name for new articles. This also corrected a number of links to disambig pages or the wrong city. If I spotted more page moves today, I would have hit the block button to force an explanation. --Scott Davis ^Talk 08:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

'Scuse me for interrupting - If I want to i.e. undo the 3rd-last edit, I go back using "show next edit" until I see the starting wrong edit, then I open the correct version, choose "edit" and save that version ignoring the messages about saving an old version, new edits will be lost and blablabla. It takes a moment and a ½ extra, but it seems to work... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by G®iffen (talk • contribs) 11:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC). ^{sorry! G®iffen 21:21, 17 March 2007 (UTC)}

Thanks G®iffen. That doesn't work for page moves - non-admin users cannot move a page over any other page with more than a single history record containing a redirect to the article to be moved over it. In these cases, that single entry (created by moving the page) has been edited so that moving the page back to its original position is no longer possible without deleting that target first. --Scott Davis ^Talk 12:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've never had to move something back - and with children screaming around me, I didn't realize THAT was the clue :-( I'll just keep my mouth shut, then, and remember to sign my posts... :-) G®iffen 21:21, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

No worries - thanks for trying to help. --Scott Davis ^Talk 22:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Mars Bar

Hi, and thanks. Unfortunately the only online cite I could find in my google search was their own site @ http://www.themarsbar.com.au/Place's/gay%20places%20to%20go%20in%20adelaide.htm however anyone who knows Adelaide will agree i'm sure. Problem is, that isnt a citation. Timeshift 14:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Seems that it won't last anyway. At least this time it was given the chance to survive and went through wikipedia procedures, even if i don't agree with all of them. Thanks for rectifying the speedy delete anyway. Timeshift 14:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Mars Bar

Hi, and thanks. Unfortunately the only online cite I could find in my google search was their own site @ http://www.themarsbar.com.au/Place's/gay%20places%20to%20go%20in%20adelaide.htm however anyone who knows Adelaide will agree i'm sure. Problem is, that isnt a citation. Timeshift 14:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Seems that it won't last anyway. At least this time it was given the chance to survive and went through wikipedia procedures, even if i don't agree with all of them. Thanks for rectifying the speedy delete anyway. Timeshift 14:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

G'day (sorry i couldn't help myself)

"Wow! You look like an expert on the topic. I came to make more comments (probably as questions) based on your response at Talk:Atlantic slave trade. Are all African Americans assumed to be descended from slaves? How valid is that assumption? Is it possible for people (or even their descendants) to ever stop being "African Americans" and just become "Americans? I notice that Barack Obama is an African American, but his father was Kenyan, so I guess that answers my second question. Is he noticed to be different from slave-descended African Americans? I apologise if these questions are offensive—they are not meant to be—although they may be naive. Living in Australia, I don't come across many Americans, African or otherwise, although I have visited the USA. Thanks."

Thnx for the compliments. i've become sort of an expert on African history in general. I began studying the dynamics of the TAST (trans-atlantic slave trade) about two summers ago and found out a lot. my interest started when i traced my own ancestry via genetic testing from AfricanAncestry.com. As you surmised, not ALL african americans are the descendants of slaves. however, the overwhelming majority are. i don't find that as a mark of shame since i know my ancestors only survived cuz they were the strongest (remember 2/3 didn't survie the ordeal). As far as the possibility of us just becoming Americans (instead of African-Americans), you should probably ask White Americans. Remember, we didn't ask to come here (the majority of us). Strides have been made, but prejudice and downright hate still exists here. And yeah, Obama is noticed to be different, but that difference has proabably been to his advantage with the electorate here. i'm glad you asked the questions, and i don't think they're naive. Thnx again for the shout out and contributions to this topic.

One luv scott "4shizzal"

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 4shizzal (talk • contribs) 13 February 2007 It was a response to a question I asked at User talk:4shizzal#Atlantic slave trade. --Scott Davis ^Talk 12:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

On redlinks and lists

I'd agree that for a well structured non-category style list that redlinks play a part in identifying gaps. But for a list that's really a category some degree of notability should apply. For an article to have a category associated it must pass criteria on notability (amongst other things) but a list can have series of redlinks and invite non-notable creation. I was getting rid of redlinks as a way of cross checking with the associated categories for our current exercise.

And don't worry about Rebecca. Those Australian National University alumni all have a chip on their shoulder about the whole ANUS thing ;) --Steve _(Slf67) ^talk 11:51, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Judges

I deleted the articles because they were worse than nothing. Every article had been created without doing the slightest research from information already existing on the project, and virtually none had been expanded beyond that.

This caused some terrible examples - for example, creating an article on Alastair Nicholson that mentions only his relatively obscure and unknown stint on the Victorian Supreme Court in the 1980s makes clear to any reader that the author knows absolutely nothing about the man and did not do the most cursory Google search, seeing as he's one of the most famous Australian judges of the last twenty years. There were judges marked as being from the Court of Appeal before the Court of Appeal existed, and the templated sentence about "XXX court being the highest in the state hierarchy", while technically correct, is misleading in the case of judges not in an appeals division.

In short, it does Wikipedia absolutely no credit to have a bunch of factually dubious substubs written by someone who, it would be obvious to all and sundry, knew absolutely nothing about any of the people he was mass-creating pages about. It does not help things, either, by letting these propagate onto all the sites that host Wikipedia content and pollute Google results accordingly - this makes it all the more difficult to actually find useful information on the people (something we discovered with the guy who did this on NSW state politicians). People had tried on several occasions to explain to this guy the need for him to actually do research and fix up his mistakes, and his attempts at dealing with this showed that still he had absolutely no clue. I'd rather bite one newbie than leave what was a topic area of average standard as an execrable, worthless mess for a long time to come. Rebecca 00:52, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Escape from woomera

Still there after all this time - what do you think?.... SatuSuro 11:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Archbishops

Archbishop suggests they are a subset of bishop with a bigger diocese and a few extra perks. An executive bishop perhaps ;) I'd concur with your renaming suggestions, I'll off and do it now --Steve _(Slf67) ^talk 08:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Chicago & Philadelphia style consensus

Howdy, I'm doing an analysis of the votes on the Chicago and Philadelphia page moves at User:Agne27/City, State convention/Chicago & Philadelphia style "Consensus" with a discussion on the talk page about what this means about the page move process. You did not participate in either move though you have seemed to voice opposition to these types of moves in the past. I would like to confirm if I am correct in my assumption that you would have opposed these moves if you were aware. I would also like your general input on the discussion page about these moves. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 19:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

ACOTF - Australia and the UN

Thanks Scott, I'll dig up the article I started on this a while ago and expand it. --Canley 23:41, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

An indonesian issue

Hi an issue has come up - if youre on and willing to be led into the fray, please let me know - otherwise I'll leave you be. ta SatuSuro 12:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I think I'll send a gmail - thanks for responding, It is appreciated SatuSuro 12:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Temporary retirement. My phone line is cut - have no idea how long.... SatuSuro 08:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Notability Guidlines - Minor Sporting Leagues in Australia

Hi Scott,

I noticed at the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mallee Football League 2007 Season discussion, you asked if there was an accepted AfD guideline for minor sporting leagues in Australia. I can't find any trace of one at present. As I have written a number of articles on minor Australian football leagues such as Picola & District Football League and Murray Football League and have been involved in some AfD discussions regarding football leagues and clubs, I would like to see some guidelines developed as well. My idea at present is to start with Australian football and then use that as a base to bring other Australian sports in if needed.

Would you be willing to provide input into the development of suitable guidelines and do you know of any suitable guidelines I could use as a template. Also, do you know what would be the best way to get word out about the development of these guidelines? Thanks--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 03:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm prepared to help set up the guidelines. Depending how widely you want to advertise for help, try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian sports, WP:AWNB, Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). --Scott Davis ^Talk 08:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I am looking for the English football guidelines as they may be useful as a template to get us started.--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 09:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

A very preliminary draft created here. Please make any comments you feel appropriate. Also, I carelessly created this in the article mainspace first. Could you please delete Notability Australian football leagues and clubs. Thanks--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 11:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Meetup on 23rd April 2007

Hi Scott,

Apologies if you're already aware of this, but I'd like to let you know that the second Adelaide Meetup will take place on Monday 23rd of April at ZUMA Caffe, 56 Gouger Street, Adelaide. The meeting is at 7:30am for breakfast with Wikipedia founder Jimbo Wales. Please see Wikipedia:Meetup/Adelaide/Meetup 2 for more details and indicate if you might attend.

Thanks,–cj | talk 13:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
NB: The above message is being delivered to users who are listed at WikiProject Adelaide or in Category:Wikipedians in South Australia with AutoWikiBrowser.

Mohave (disambiguation) revert question

I see you reverted my removal of the red links. Can you point me to a reference that justifies what you wrote in your edit summary, because I can't find anything that permits that. What I do see is that Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) says "Disambiguation pages are solely intended to allow users to choose among several Wikipedia articles" (emaphasis added), and nowhere in the guideline, nor in WP:DAB is there any mention of redlinks being allowed. Your guidance is appreciated. Akradecki 01:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Redlinks includes "Links to non-existent articles ("redlinks") may be included only when an editor is confident that an encyclopedia article could be written on the subject." and "Do include a redlink when another article links to the ambiguous article with none of the disambiguation options in mind." --Scott Davis ^Talk 03:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Populations

Hi Scott,

I believe you left a message for me regarding populations of several cities in SA. The population statistics that I posted were sourced from the ABS website and reflect the 2006 figures.

This is the first time I have done any editing on Wikipedia and until a couple of days ago, wasn't even aware that I could edit it. Please be patient with me as I become more competent at updating.

Thanks,

Cheers, Mal —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Victmw (talk • contribs) 01:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

copy of my reply on User talk:Victmw

No worries Mal. Welcome. If you could provide the exact URL from the ABS, that would be helpful. The simplest way is to put the URL between square brackets straight after the population number. [http://www.abs.gov.au/] renders as [2]. Many pages use footnotes to be able to provide more information about the source - see WP:FOOT and Help:Footnotes for details, but use <ref>footnote text</ref>. Often the footnote text will be a template like {{cite web}} that includes parameters for all the metadata about the reference. Welcome. You'll get the hang of it and become hooked. --Scott Davis ^Talk 01:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Scott. I have put a comment on User talk:Victmw about his changes to Port Pirie. The only reason why I watch the article is that I accidentally found out it was often vandalized, and in a rather childish way, so you did not really need to be an Australian to take care of that. I have replaced what I thought was Victmw's guestimates with the 2004 figure of ABS. I hope he will not be discouraged by that. I have a hunch that today he is/was editing as an anonymous IP, since 203.37.111.193's contributions look like he is correcting Victmw's mistakes. All the better, but he should log in as Victmw, of course. All the best there, and greetings from sunny Belgium, where spring started ... er, well, we did not have any winter actually. --Pan Gerwazy 08:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Pan. I hope to visit Belgium sometime. What's the best time of year to spend a week or two discovering the country? The weather in South Australia is quite pleasant now, after having had some hot days through summer. On the whole, we've had a mild summer with no stretches of more than a week above 35C. It has been very dry for the last year, but we are getting close to average rainfall so far in 2007.

Thankyou for watching some Australian articles - I watch some odd things sometimes, too. Thanks also for providing an example of how to cite a population figure - we should really go through and do that for all the regional cities and towns in Australia. They tend to get these sorts of uncited change reasonably often, and because the original is not cited either, there is nothing to identify which is right.

I noticed that the IP seemed to be the same user, too.

--Scott Davis ^Talk 12:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Nhulunbuy

Hello Scott, I've noticed you editing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nhulunbuy%2C_Northern_Territory and I'm intrigued. I grew up there from 1971-1981. Do you have an association with the place? Regards Paulhage 12:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)Paulhage —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paulhage (talk • contribs) 12:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

I've never been there, although I stopped at Gove Airport once on the way from Cairns to Darwin (QantasLink, ~2000). It was after dark, so I didn't even see anything out of the plane window. I edit a lot of Australian articles, especially geography, industry and business, so finding my mark on that one is no great surprise. Sorry I'm not more help. --Scott Davis ^Talk 12:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Wind power in Australia

Hi Scott,

I've been enjoying contributing to Wind power in Australia and have noticed your name coming up quite a bit. I feel the article has a lot of useful content now, but that it is rather uneven.

I'd like to suggest that it be split in two, and am writing to see what you think. The second article could be "Wind power development in Australia" and would cover the "bigger issues" such as future trends, economics, environment and government policies.

The first article would mainly relate to "technical and site-specific" issues. The large table would remain there and my thought is that discussion of issues such as wind resources and turbine efficiencies could be expanded.

The split being proposed would generally be along the same lines as the split between Renewable energy and Renewable energy development. Please let me know what you think. regards, Johnfos 04:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

My name comes up trying to filter out the rubbish and improve the format and grammar more than any valuable contribution to the content. I have no problem with splitting the article if you have a plan to make two useful articles, but you should raise the idea at talk:Wind power in Australia. I would encourage a higher text-to-table ratio (more prose). A couple of interested editors come with rather strong bias - I encourage you to attempt to continue to maintain the neutral point of view. Remember that both articles have "in Australia" in their titles, so should link to the general technology information, not repeat it in Australian English, but should describe what's different or specific about Australia's situation. --Scott Davis ^Talk 07:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Cricket in Australia

Have just whipped one up now - needs some work, but I guess that is the point ;) -- Chuq 13:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Lake Margaret Power Scheme

Hi Scott. I noticed your work on the Queenstown Wiki entry. I have just joined after stumbling across the Lake Margaret Wiki entry, in which I noticed a few factual errors and out dated information. I'm pretty keen to breath some life into this Wiki entry as it's my area of research and due to the rather murky future of the place I'm keen for the Lake Margaret wiki page to be as accessible and transparent as possible.

Could you please have a look at my first entry and give me some feedback on how it looks (re: formatting etc)? It is my first entry and I wasn't sure how much depth to go into. The 'history' section is basically all there, it probably just needs tweaking a bit to get it working a bit better chronologically. Regards Travis Tiddy 13:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Mildura, Victoria

I live here, and I too have missed a hell of a lot of edits to the main article recently, like it's not even on my radar sometimes... :) Mildura is a city, with a rural "town" feel about it. Most locals here refer to Mildura as a town, but it's a city all the same. It's true - size doesn't matter :) -- Longhair\^talk 13:10, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Tullah

Thanks for that - I left a message at his talk saying expect it to get edited :)  ! SatuSuro 15:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I hadn't even looked at the user's page. I think we stopped in Tullah on the way through on one of the few really dull rainy days in our holiday, and failed to even find a coffee. --Scott Davis ^Talk 02:15, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

It was the base for the pieman development - the chief engineer on the king river project still has his holiday home in tullah SatuSuro 02:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Could you do me a favour and look at my entry in the checkuser page and tell me whether someone should stop him in his tracks? He seems to have been driven by something SatuSuro 02:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

gmail if you are around SatuSuro 02:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Australian motorsport

Scott,

Seen your name around quite a bit over the years. Would like to help out with the above Project as time permits. I'm a commentator and journalist within the sport and also used a historian at various levels.

yours Mark Jones203.185.235.165 04:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Welcome Mark. Register for an account and let me know if I can help in any way - you will be a great addition to the Australian motorsport team. I see you've already picked up a bunch of critical errors. Thanks. --Scott Davis ^Talk 14:44, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/South Australian general election campaign, 2006

i've done some more work on this and i think you should look at it again before letting it get deleted. at least can the deletion be on hold until the future of South Australian general election, 2006 is sorted?? ChampagneComedy 17:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Struck my vote for now. --Scott Davis ^Talk 23:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Patchewollock

G'day mate, the stuff in the photo is sand. Left over from when there was an inland sea many thousands of years ago. If you're really interested, use Google Earth to have a look. Don't know the coordinates, but the sea is very very easy to spot - you can even see it from a map of all of Victoria. It's the big blobby circle in the north-west of the state. Cheers —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Patche (talk • contribs) 01:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC).

Excel Files & Wikipedia

Hi Scott,

Is it possible to upload information to a Wikipedia article from an Excel file? I would like to add results tables to a number of motor sport articles and would like to do so using my existing Excel files.

Cheers,

GTHO 03:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I've seen a reference to an HTML to wikitable converter somewhere. I went to Wikipedia:Tools to find it and it was not there, but there's a reference to de:Wikipedia:Helferlein/VBA-Macro for EXCEL tableconversion which appears to support exactly what you need. --Scott Davis ^Talk 06:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)