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Message by Sofianichols

^{This message had originally been posted to your user page. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:32, 30 June 2018 (UTC)}

Hello SarahMitchels82,

You have been removing real information for example the fact that eric arnoux has been released on june 2017. Or the fact that Catherine Fortier did a bankruptcy not only because Mister Arnoux but as well because the departure of her partner for health reasons why are you putting only informations to be interpreted in a bad way ? Have you personal issues with Mister Arnoux to do this? Internet and specially wikipedia is not the place to revenge yourself. If you want to right something put all informations and respect the humans rights.

You are still putting dead links and defamatory informations not respecting the humans rights. You write only about Mister Arnoux on a bad side violating completely is presumption of innocence. Involving his children ? Really? with a dead link removed from Mediapart himself.

Be careful internet is not the place to revenge and laws exists.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sofianichols (talk • contribs) 20:21, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, SarahMitchels82. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about in the page Eric Arnoux, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

• avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, company, organization or competitors;
• propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (see the {{request edit}} template);
• disclose your COI when discussing affected articles (see WP:DISCLOSE);
• avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
• do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Also please note that editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. - ^theWOLFchild 22:00, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sarahmitchels82. I work on conflict of interest issues here in WP, along with my regular editing. Would you please describe any connections you have with Eric Arnoux ‎or any of his companies, directly or through a third party, including any third parties have disputes with him. Also, please be aware that if you have a real world dispute with Arnoux (or are representing people who do) and are editing about him, that dispute constitutes a conflict of interest here in Wikipedia. Please do read WP:BLPCOI. But please do respond and disclose any connections you have with him. Separately, please be aware that if you are being paid, or expect to be paid, for editing about him, that must be disclosed. That is a narrow aspect of the broader question. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 11:28, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Please respond. Jytdog (talk) 18:54, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Jytdog:, thank you for your message. I have no conflict of interest and no connections to Eric Arnoux and I am not paid. I do this for the public interest as some people want to remove credible sources. As you can see, I only added credible links from known newspapers. Some users are unhappy about it for reasons that I don't understand.

Thanks. --SarahMitchels82 (talk) 08:20, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. Quick note on the logistics of discussing things on Talk pages, which are essential for everything that happens here. In Talk page discussions, we "thread" comments by indenting (see WP:THREAD) - when you reply to someone, you put a colon in front of your comment, which the Wikipedia software will render into an indent when you save your edit; if the other person has indented once, then you indent twice by putting two colons in front of your comment, which the WP software converts into two indents, and when that gets ridiculous you reset back to the margin (or "outdent") by putting this {{od}} in front of your comment. This also allows you to make it clear if you are also responding to something that someone else responded to if there are more than two people in the discussion; in that case you would indent the same amount as the person just above you in the thread. I hope that all makes sense. And -- you already have this part down -- at the end of the comment, please "sign" by typing exactly four (not 3 or 5) tildas "~~~~" which the WP software converts into a date stamp and links to your talk and user pages when you save your edit.

Threading and signing are how we know who said what to whom and when, in a format that we expect to see. Please be aware that threading and signing are fundamental etiquette here, as basic as "please" and "thank you", and continually failing to thread and sign communicates rudeness, and eventually people may start to ignore you (see here).

I know this is unwieldy, but this is the software environment we have to work on and the way the community uses it. Will reply on the substance in a second... Jytdog (talk) 16:21, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks again for your reply. Two more questions, and after we get through this I will have a few wrap up things.

Your account is what we call a single purpose account. Would you please explain why you are focused only on Arnaux in Wikipedia? (This is part of why I asked if you are involved in any real world disputes with him, his companies, etc.)

Also, would you please disclose if you have used other accounts to edit the Arnaux article? If you have done so and you disclose it, we can mark the others as alternative accounts, and if you use only one account in the future, there will be no repercussions. If you have used other accounts to edit about Arnaux and don't disclose that, you may be indefinitely blocked. So do let me know. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 16:25, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

To avoid any confusion

Hello again Sarah. Just to avoid any inadvertent confusion, although Jytdog correctly says above that I work on conflict of interest issues here in WP, Jytdog is not an employee of the Wikimedia Foundation nor appointed by them to carry out conflict of interest work -- they are just another volunteer editor like me or you. Also Jytdog is not a Wikipedia administrator appointed by the community, so any indefinite blocking would not be done by Jytdog. Therefore, the extent to which you are required to answer Jytdog's questions is a little unclear. However, their advice about declaring other accounts is correct and supported by Wikipedia policy, and Jytdog does know a great deal about Wikipedia policy concerning conflict of interest issues. MPS1992 (talk) 17:44, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

What is the point of this comment? I don't see any problems with Jytdog's posts, nor do I see a need for you "clarify", or otherwise qualify them in any way. - ^theWOLFchild 23:37, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

No, of course you don't. But for those watching -- the purpose of this comment is to avoid any inadvertent confusion that may have been caused for the inexperienced newcomer by Jytdog writing "I work on conflict of interest issues here in WP" followed by approximately seven uses of the first person plural, a couple more implied uses, and a great many very polite and repeated "requests", I would say bordering on insistent, on the part of the "we" involved. MPS1992 (talk) 00:13, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Well then, let's be honest about what this is, and what it isn't; this is not about any "confusion", this is about a problem you have with Jytdog. These accusations are out of line, you should apologize and strike your comments. All I see is an experienced editor trying to communicate with a obvious SPA and a likely COI, seeking information to protect the project, a BLP subject and everyone else involved, including this editor. I see Jytdog trying to help. You, on the other hand, not so much... - ^theWOLFchild 05:45, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Actually I think Jytdog sometimes has a useful role to play in dealing with COI issues, although, like you, they do have a block log that reflects past problematic editing. Anyway, possible confusion averted. If you have a problem with my edits you're welcome to seek an appropriate form of Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. MPS1992 (talk) 12:31, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

You do have a strange obsession with other editors' block logs. Anyway, if you think you can lay off with condescending comments and needless criticisms, then we can probably put this to rest. - ^theWOLFchild 13:14, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Actually, you can't seem to help yourself. It took less than an hour for you to post another obnoxious comment with your desperate must-have-last-word-itis. Good luck with that - wolf 15:48, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

The block log is kept -- and kept public -- for a reason, to see if disruptive behavior is recurring. I see that you don't understand the purpose of the clarification, but, since it's been explained twice now, that's your problem, not mine. MPS1992 (talk) 14:05, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

This no longer has anything to do with helping this new user and is inappropriate here. Please stop doing this here, and move this elsewhere if you wish to continue. Jytdog (talk) 14:20, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Completely agree. Further comments should be posted elsewhere. If you must comment again, MPS1992, do it on your talk page ('cuz I don't want you on mine). Apologies to Sarah, and sorry about the derail Jytdog, hope you sort this "Eric Arnoux" situation out and help this editor at the same time. Cheers - ^theWOLFchild 15:48, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

FYI

If you don't want users, such as "Sofianichols" to post comments on your user talk page, you can request that of them. Following that, the only posts they can add are requisite notifications for noticeboards posts involving you. If they continue to post comments here after clearly being requested not to so, you can report them to ANI for harassment. - ^theWOLFchild 22:06, 1 July 2018 (UTC)