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Open Notebook Science

There's no need to rush to create an article. It would have been a good idea not to create Open Notebook Science until you had at least come up with an opening sentence or two to explain what it is. —Largo Plazo (talk) 17:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Facts are nice but ...

I am not sure that the world wants quantitative solubility data for methanol for generic chemicals, at least unless there is some specific reason for that solvent. But I could be wrong. I do know that there are a lot of solvents out there and we could not hope to include all of them. My recommendation is that you describe your editing project at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemicals and get some feedback.--Smokefoot (talk) 14:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Another thing - what is the source of the data?--Smokefoot (talk) 14:52, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, but you are adding obscure data to obscure compounds. So what were the criteria for selecting these compounds and this solvent? Looks like a project of questionable merit.--Smokefoot (talk) 14:54, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Although I am sure that this school project was fun for the kids, Wikipedia needs to have data here from verifiable sources. Reference to a university site (Oral Roberts or Harvard) is not good enough. Otherwise your work risks being deleted. NIST, CRC etc, now they are authorities. I really encourage you to consult someone before launching on what looks like a well intentioned but naively planned project. --Smokefoot (talk) 15:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

It does not matter if your expert is Nobelist or a nobody, nor does it matter if I am a nobody or a Nobelist: Sources need to be verified, and esoteric information, especially unsourced, is undesirable. See Wikipedia:Verifiability. Editors are nonverifiable, in general. In terms of solvents, why not chloroform, dichloromethane, acetone, ethanol, benzene, DMF, hexane, DMSO, etc etc. There are many common solvents. And why these particular compounds? Teachers use Wikipedia as an instructional venue, but ultimately the edits are subject to the standards of Wikipedia, not your instructor's standard.--Smokefoot (talk) 17:19, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

One more thing: I suspect that the data are wrong.--Smokefoot (talk) 17:32, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

"Suspect" doesn't count: do you have data? That's the point of the open notebook data: they are as verifiable as it gets, since you can review the experiments that generated them (which is not true of any other data in WP afaik). These are real values, not some kind of children's game. WP says "Articles should be based upon reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." I think the spirit of the rules would emphasize reliability over reputation. Not only is the project that generated these solubility values run by "established experts" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFPUB) but the underlying data are available for review. This would seem to be a new category of "source" on which broader debate might be useful. (Disclosure: I am one of the judges for the project that's producing this data.) cwhooker (talk) 19:48, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. Wikipedia can be trying, I have been there. Unfortunately "suspect" does count here (as far as I can tell) in the absence of a verifiable source. Your word and claims mean nothing here (nor does mine). Students slipping data into these pages is not appropriate if they cannot deal with queries. So if you want to establish the authority of your sources, then ask as I requested the student to do. In terms of the data itself, try this: Romney inserted the value 26.5 M for the solubility of formic acid in MeOH, which implies a limiting solubility. Formic acid is infinitely soluble in MeOH. So what does the 26.5M mean? And so forth for the other compounds (an odd collection) that Romney selected? Looking forward to your answer. And please do take my suggestion to contact Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemicals about the project. --Smokefoot (talk) 20:24, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not saying you're wrong to question the inclusion of these data in WP. But you do miss my point: I am not making any claims, nor does anyone have to take anyone's word for anything regarding these values, because you can access the raw experiments. You talk about verifiability, but in fact what you want is authority. The latter is a second-rate measure of utility in science but may be required for WP -- I don't have much experience here. I think one of the ONS project team has a connection to WikiProject Chemicals, so I'm going to leave off now and try to get things resolved through that avenue. Thanks for that suggestion -- and for being patient with new users. cwhooker (talk) 22:36, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

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A new conference with no press coverage, etc. is not notable enough to have an article in Wikipedia. If there had been significant academic coverage, the article might not have been deleted immediately. Believe me, I'm not hostile to improved coverage of SF topics in Wikipedia, to put it mildly; but for that very reason, we must meet the same criteria as the mundanes. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:33, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

LFER solvent coefficients (data page)

Hi Romney, I didn't delete this page, but if you don't want it to be speedily deleted, you might consider writing a userspace draft of the article first before introducing it into the main article space. --Eastlaw ^talk ⁄ _contribs 01:30, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

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