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               Chiap, chiap-chiap-chiap-chiap-chiap-chiap-chiap-chiap! 113.210.96.104 (talk) 09:12, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

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The sky, tau lai mai van deks. 2001:D08:2183:F8DA:1:0:391E:A22F (talk) 03:41, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the photos that I uploaded

Dear fellow wikipedia user,

  I thank you for your feedback regarding my pictures. Feedbacks are important to me as they allow to improve and create better Wikipedia pages!! However, the pictures that I uploaded were not personal photos and can be found on the official schools instagram pages and I dont think they are unencyclopedic. I look forward to your reply.

Donut Hunter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donut Hunter (talk • contribs) 11:56, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Instagram photos are *not* automatically creative commons licensed. If they are from the official schools instagram pages, the rights belong to the schools, not you. The schools will have upload these photos and declare the release of rights of these photos. I highly doubt all of the photos are from the official school instagram pages, especially [1] and [2]. Please provide the instagram links to these photos. Who in the right mind would upload photos of schoolgirls in potentially compromising positions on official pages? robertsky (talk) 18:40, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

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Nomination of 2022 in Singapore for deletion

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Robertsky who the your page is 2022 in Singapore was deleted ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roseirena (talk • contribs)

A discussion was held. Refer to it as linked in the text above. robertsky (talk) 16:49, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Military dictatorship is a terrorist

It's the terrorist who uses the name of the military junta to do the bad things against the NATO, I'm dictator Mamoru, to support his assassination plans of Ichirō Matsui and Hirofumi Yoshimura in Osaka!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.125.22.76 (talk)

@114.125.22.76:Referring to the edit you had made for Kyoto Animation arson attack, you didn't cite sources for the additions. Is this terrorist you referring to the same as the alleged perp? If so, state your sources and expand on the article instead of just tagging it with categories without proper explanation. robertsky (talk) 14:36, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Kyoto Animation arson attack victim list

I reverted your edits as I disagree that a list is useful here, per WP:BRD you can gain a consensus on the talk page if you wish. Keep in mind though that this subject of victim lists has had mixed results. On some articles it works great where I have argued in favor of keeping, on others not so much. Perhaps its because WP:PROSE has been established so well in the "victims" section. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:05, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

@Knowledgekid87: no worries. There is already a discussion ongoing in the Talk page. I am satisfied with the reasonings given for having the victim list within the article. My initial line of thought is similar to yours. However, as more details of the victims being released, to me, it is more apparent that weaving the various names in being released in separate releases would make the paragraph unwieldy long. Right now, it is only 11 names being released, with 4 or 5 of them having their own wiki articles. Given that studio 1 is a concentration of kyoani's top talents, we may end up with 50% of them being mentioned in the article. Ultimately, when the case ends, I feel that the article should be condensed in where is possible, i.e. I don't think we would be so concerned with exactly when each family released the names of deceased ahead of the official release by authorities, and whose names were released first. Doing so, it feels more like a news report rather than an encyclopedia article. My 2c. The same comment will be posted o the article talk page. Let's take it there. robertsky (talk) 09:55, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	I ask to you, the wikipedia date G.E.M. is born 16 August 1991 this is date format for Singers from Europe Countries? like Mick Jagger (born 26 July 1943) if her from asian singer you Should write date format August 16, 1991 like Jin Se Yeon born February 15, 1994 Regards Thank You Roseirena (talk) 12:23, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

@Roseirena:: good question. if I am not mistaken, both are acceptable for Hong Kong. However, for consistency, I will use day-month-year format since most of the article is in that format. Thanks for the Barnstar. robertsky (talk) 12:58, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Robertsky but the Korean Actors many use the date format Month-Day-Year please change again the Article of G.E.M. use the date format Month-Day-Year but her carrer usually goes concert to United States & Canada because the page not made by meRoseirena (talk) 17:11, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

@Roseirena: Korea is Korea, Hong Kong is Hong Kong, both have different date time formats. If I were to guess, Korean articles use MDY because it is written as so in Korean English. See Date format by country for more information. GEM is from Hong Kong. Hong Kong uses DMY format for dates written in English (see Hong Kong identity card or [3] for examples). A stronger point would be that Hong Kong used to be a British colony, hence the DMY format should be used for her article as well. Her career is not limited to USA or Canada, and had frequent concerts in China, Taiwan, Hong Kong and South-east Asia (mainly in Singapore and Malaysia). Hence, in my view, the article being written with DMY format is correct. There is no 'ownership' of articles per se on wikipedia, you can always make the changes yourself. However, I would suggest that you carry this conversation on to the Discussion page of the article as a Request for comments first and reach an consensus.robertsky (talk) 14:58, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Robertsky G.E.M. born from China like Sun Xing born October 16, 1963 but yheir career at Hong Kong ? except if her (G.E.M.) born origin based biography from Hong Kong no trouble write date format DMY Roseirena (talk) 17:11, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

@Roseirena: As mentioned, if you think it should change, go ahead and edit. No one is stopping you to do so, or Rfc it. I am not changing it myself as I believe that it should be in DMY format. Cheers! robertsky (talk) 16:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Robertsky open & look her (G.E.M.) Instagram account on link https://www.instagram.com/p/B0IDf0RHae9/ she made date format ? Roseirena (talk) 17:11, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

@Roseirena: You don't get it, do you? Which part of I am not changing it myself you don't understand? Go change it yourself if you wish to so.robertsky (talk) 16:20, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Robertsky if I change the date format to MDY article G.E.M., you will return it again as before ? Roseirena (talk) 17:11, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

@Roseirena: Short answer, yes. I rather that you Rfc in the Talk page of the article first and seek others for opinions. robertsky (talk) 16:44, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Robertsky because she G.E.M usually often travelled United States and she write date format is MDY on Her Identity rather than to Europe because she Rarely perfomed the Europe Countries Roseirena (talk) 17:11, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Robertsky i permitted to you please change the article of G.E.M. of date format MDY

Regards Thank You Roseirena (talk) 15:04, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: Zebpay

Hello Robertsky. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Zebpay, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: deletion of articles accepted via AFC by experienced editors are unlikely to be sufficiently uncontroversial for the purposes of speedy deletion; also claims coverage in reliables sources. Thank you. SoWhy 05:59, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

SoWhy Hmm... Reasonable concern, but even when most of the initial content had been removed over time, the company and wallet closed down and its notability is being questioned? robertsky (talk) 09:41, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Remember that notability is not temporary. If the subject was notable at one point, which is was the AFC reviewer's judgment, it stays notable, even if the subject itself no longer exists. As for speedy deletion, speedy deletion is supposed only for uncontroversial cases. In this case, it's reasonable to assume that the AFC reviewer would disagree with deletion, so it needs further discussion at WP:AFD. Regards SoWhy 09:48, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks! Will submit an AfD when I am free next. robertsky (talk) 09:50, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

House of tan yeok nee has a new occupant.

Hi Robert, please be aware that the house of tan yeok nee has been occupied by Amity Global Institute and no longer under university of Chicago booth.

you can come down to the house of tan yeok nee to check and see for yourself if you wish to verify it personally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heavenmiracles10 (talk • contribs) 07:06, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Please the Change South Korean Actors/Actress Date Format use UK (Europe Actors/Actresses) ?

Robertsky you change to South Korean Actors/Actresses use DMY format like Europe Actors/Actresses 111.94.203.64 (talk) 14:27, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

The article G.E.M. which I reverted your edit is a Hong Kong artiste, who by geographical association follows UK spelling and dmy date format. robertsky (talk) 14:31, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

But Hongkong need the US Hong Kong protesters wave American flags asking for help from extradited of China not UK flag waves 111.94.203.64 (talk) 14:46, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

you must open the Her Identity on her Instagram use MDY (US/American) format and Use YMD (Chinese) date format not DMY (UK/Europe) Date Format 111.94.203.64 (talk) 14:46, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Erm. Irrelevant point on US flag waving in Hong Kong protests/riots. Re: instagram, my point on the Hong Kong geographical association still stands. robertsky (talk) 15:06, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

If Hong Kong has been saved by United States, then Hong Kong will change the format to the same date as the United States use MDY date Format ? 111.94.203.64 (talk) 15:14, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

WP:NOTSPECULATION Stick to facts. Hong Kong = UK spelling/dmy format. robertsky (talk) 15:16, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

WP:NOTSPECULATION Stick to facts. South Korea = Like US spelling/mdy format ? 111.94.203.64 (talk) 15:21, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

She often befriend and hangout with american people on Her Instagram (Slide 2) Instagram again and rarely meet with English people or other European countries 111.94.203.64 (talk) 15:40, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Anyone can have american, european, british friends as well or meet such people. Especially those who are well travelled. Irrelevant. robertsky (talk) 15:48, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

open your heart to be positive thinking, I just writing date format based on the typing that her made in the date format see the official her Instagram and again (see english her typiing on Instagram) 111.94.203.64 (talk) 16:05, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

I was being positive, but my positivity has a limit. robertsky (talk) 16:21, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

i understand your word i'm purpose to positive wikipedia typing for G.E.M. article, she was often use American English on her Twitter not British English Thank You 111.94.203.64 (talk) 16:30, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Help me

I Need your help to change from Date Format South Korean Actors/Actresses use MDY Format like US (Hollywood Actors/Actresses) to UK DMY date Format ? 111.94.203.64 (talk) 15:19, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

No. You are capable of doing so yourself. I have other edits that are worth my time. robertsky (talk) 15:22, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

but my account was Hacked by Vandalism disguised as Administrator 111.94.203.64 (talk) 15:27, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@111.94.203.64: What was your account? --AussieLegend (✉) 17:12, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Why, I just now change format the Korean Actresses Jin Se-yeon to DMY date format is rollback again to US date format ? 111.94.203.64 (talk) 15:25, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@111.94.203.64: And I explained why to you. The article was created and maintained using MDY. Majority of Korean articles also use this date format because it is closest to the YMD format that is used in Korea. You’re changing date formats without providing a valid reason to do so. Alex (talk) 15:40, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Korean arctile like US Date format is not DMY (Europe format) because the creating and maintaining by US People You Know Understand ? 111.94.203.64 (talk) 15:45, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

not interested in editing South Korean related pages at the moment. Stop bugging me about it. robertsky (talk) 15:46, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

i'm don't disturing you robertsky but i hate South Korea on Wikipedia because they are like US date format Except Park Shin-hye & Ha Ji-won use DMY Format like UK (Europe Actors/Actresses) 111.94.203.64 (talk) 15:57, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Alex But the Chinese date format is YMD closest to the MDY format 111.94.243.45 (talk) 12:51, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

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@Mz7: Thank you! robertsky (talk) 03:35, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

That was a mistake.

I've been on wikipedia for sometime and am clearly aware of the policies. But I've worked on the Kiefer sutherland nationality thing and that was it, and was agreed. Now people are coming back on that while I've clearly proofed everything in the talk page. So I think that was a mistake. Hughes Anderson (talk) 03:34, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Your proposal was not agreed to by any other editor at Talk:Kiefer Sutherland#Nationality. Various other constructions were discussed, but no one agreed with you there that his nationality should be reflected as merely "Canadian". Your continuing to make this edit without consensus will get you blocked from editing if you continue. General Ization ^Talk 04:19, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Do not forum shop or canvas for support here, and stick to the article's talk page. It takes more then your proofs and references to support your changes. robertsky (talk) 12:09, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

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Ainan Bin Muhammad

I stand corrected, I should have not mentioned the possibility that he was adopted. His current legal name is Ainan Celeste Cawley Bin Muhammad . Steve Jobs comparison was uncalled for & just my own original research, Ainan is 20 years old now, so he can edit his own article & let us know if he was adopted if he chooses to do so. MensaNarc (talk) 10:49, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

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Please help me, there's racially motivated edits by admins

I made a youtuBe video on this.Title is called Wiki admins ST47 and EvergreenFir helping racist user Hunan201p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1ed_NwQ7ds

Please come to the talk page of Descent from Genghis Khan and Mongoloid. PLEASE HELP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Descent_from_Genghis_Khan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mongoloid

I evidence to show racially motivated edits are involved. For example have been making double standard racist edits against East Eurasian males, genetics, achievement, anthropology and everything related to it from 2019 march to 2020. BUT NOBODY TRIES TO STOP HIM and let's him continue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Hunan201p&offset=&limit=500&target=Hunan201p

An than unfortunately you have wiki admins EvergreenFir who does nothing to solve this. Defending the edits of Hunan201p, not allowing anyone to removes his edits. Why doesn't he remove the controversial dispute if he wants to make this fair and square instead he just simply allows. Hunan201p to keep his version of the edits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EvergreenFir

The minute you even try to remove EvergreenFir will block page, block your account, and restore all the edits of Hunan201p

Descent from Genghis Khan, all 5 bodies were Mongoloid were edited since 2016 ( with over 1,000,000 page views since december 2016). Why remove all of sudden just because it's Hunan201p https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Descent_from_Genghis_Khan&diff=753061615&oldid=752989020

For example the edits that Hunan removed from Central Asia section of interracial marriage had existed since 2012 Why was this allowed for nearly 8 years (with over estimated 7,000,000 page views possibly ) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Interracial_marriage&diff=480229643&oldid=480228326

Why doe wiki editor EvergreenFir and ST47 help Hunan201p https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ST47

You can see that instead of removing Hunan201p edits it removes all the edits that every other users have edited. Many of them were friends, and some people I had asked after seeing what's going

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mongoloid&action=history https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Descent_from_Genghis_Khan&action=history-User talk:86.131.7.177 —Preceding undated comment added 19:54, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Uhhhh, just a heads up, your recent edits to the Wuhan virus timeline article is disrupting other references.

Your recent edits have disrupted the references at the bottom of the page, can you please check to see if your edits are working correctly, and what in your edits is causing this issue. Aceing_Winter_Snows_Harsh_Cold (talk) 00:46, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

yeah. working on it. robertsky (talk) 00:53, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

@Aceing Winter Snows Harsh Cold: The issue started here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Timeline_of_the_2019%E2%80%9320_Wuhan_coronavirus_outbreak&diff=next&oldid=939677479&diffmode=source, but the edit is similar to the previous edit, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Timeline_of_the_2019%E2%80%9320_Wuhan_coronavirus_outbreak&diff=prev&oldid=939677479&diffmode=source. Can you help me see what's wrong between the two? robertsky (talk) 01:06, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Dont know. Aceing_Winter_Snows_Harsh_Cold (talk) 01:10, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Going to get help from a noticeboard. Aceing_Winter_Snows_Harsh_Cold (talk) 01:14, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Here is a link to the post I made at the teahouse noticeboard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#What_happened_that_the_refs_just_vanished_and_got_replaced_by_template_links%3F Aceing_Winter_Snows_Harsh_Cold (talk) 01:22, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. robertsky (talk) 01:39, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

And so I have reverted the ref edits done in the last couple of hours or so, re-inserting the content that have been added. reflist is back in order, but the navbox template is showing still. robertsky (talk) 01:39, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

@Aceing Winter Snows Harsh Cold: FYI, I have done a content split according to the month as recommended in the Teahouse. This resolves the issue that we faced earlier. robertsky (talk) 04:10, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

I saw. It looks better now.  :) Aceing_Winter_Snows_Harsh_Cold (talk) 04:11, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

List of programme that broadcast in Mediacorp (debate)

Greetings, Hi I'm Unknown152438, I just need to know what mediums are you currently in use to edit wikipedia? For this page, it is better to work it on your desktop/laptop devices. Its better to put on the casts name as same as the table that we uses before as usual, if no need colors in the table it's fine. Hope you reply anytime soon! Cheers! (Unknown152438 (talk) 05:32, 29 February 2020 (UTC))

@Unknown152438: Thanks for reaching out. I am using laptop to do my edits 99% of the time. As for the formatting of the list, the details listed in table formats were of too much information as highlighted in the AfDs for all related lists (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of variety and infotainment programmes broadcast by Mediacorp Channel 8, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Mediacorp Channel 8 Chinese drama series before 1982, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Mediacorp Channel 8 Chinese drama series (2000s)). I believe, the list was tagged with {{Overly detailed}} among other maintenance tags by TheBanner as a result. I have chosen to work with the current format, adapted from List of programs broadcast by American Broadcasting Company to decruft the list. The reason for choosing this page is because it was highlighted as an example by Gonnym in one of the AfDs. Hence, I reverted your edits to reinclude the tabular format. My response here is a quick summary of the points I had picked up in the AfDs, do read them thoroughly and comment here if you think otherwise.

For cast names, they should go into individual articles about the television programmes instead. Wikipedia is not a tv guide, the list should not be one. Feel free to expand on existing television articles which do need some attention to bring them up to speed before other editors slap them with lack of references and nobility tags, and requests for deletions. Cheers! robertsky (talk) 06:26, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Template

I'm moving a ton of the subtemplates to include the pandemic nane. Starzoner (talk) 17:59, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

@Starzoner: yea.. I was cleaning up on that front. Thanks for joining in. robertsky (talk) 18:01, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Now its done. Starzoner (talk) 18:02, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

I will go and update all links to the tempaltes. Starzoner (talk) 18:09, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Please do. Thanks~ robertsky (talk) 18:15, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Edits to Cold Storage and Giant Pages

Hi there,
Thanks for your feedback on my edits to the Cold Storage and Giant supermarket respective pages.
Apologies if there were issues with these edits, however I would disagree that these compromise regulations on advertising as they are based on factual information regarding the companies.
I have re-edited these pages and hope that the edits would meet your approval. I'm new to Wikipedia so I would appreciate feedback if not! Thanks!
EmilyEquitas (talk) 09:41, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@EmilyEquitas: You are pushing a point of view (POV), and in violation of Conflict of Interest (COI). Calling it an advertisement is kind. You don't need my approval. You need to convince me. robertsky (talk) 15:12, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@EmilyEquitas: Just to make it clear, this is my reasoning for undo-ing your edits:

1. Your first source https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2020/03/05/2-egg-suppliers-operating-in-dirty-conditions-says-animal-rights-group/ does not mention who are the suppliers, which companies or supermarkets they are supplying to. Are there any other news media other than FMT that picked up this as news? Can FMT represent Malaysian media as a whole?

2. Your second source is a site that your organisation owns, which makes it a self-published, non-independent and primary source. Here, such sources has little to no standing. Is there any other publication or research done independently of your organisation? If so, back it up. The claims of the suppliers having a working relationship to the supermarkets needs to be substantiated independently and/or can be verified independently. The photos in the site's download section merely shows the eggs on different supermarket shelves which do not have any brand markings. Even the price tags has no supermarket logos or identification. How can one conclude from these photos that these are the supermarkets which pages you are editing on? I am not discounting the hard work your organisation is putting in, but anyone can take such photos in unrelated supermarkets.

3. Your edits are clearly pushing a bias POV. I don't simply revert. I do some quick searches on the Internet, and it turns up with articles refuting your organisation's claims https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/egg-producer-ltkm-lodges-police-report-allegations-wrongful-farm-practices https://focusmalaysia.my/mainstream/ltkm-denies-wrongful-farming-allegations/. If you don't want to be seen as pushing a POV, add these in to maintain a neutral POV. robertsky (talk) 15:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@Robertsky: Thank you, I appreciate the detailed feedback. I agree regarding substantiating press coverage and I will work on that.

EmilyEquitas (talk) 14:23, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Princess Maria Teresa of Bourbon-Parma

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Edits for Kampong Kapor Methodist Church

Hi there, I made the edits about the organ, after seeing a photo on facebook, with a very similar design. Upon consulting the National Pipe Organ Register, (https://www.npor.org.uk/NPORView.html?RI=D04077) I realize that the organ was built by Cousans, where the partners of Walker and Taylor (builders of the Kampong Kapor organ) worked before forming their partnership, and indeed one of them returned to after their firm wound up. Secondly, Munby is in Lincolnshire, where Walker and Taylor are based, so there is a good chance that the same men worked on the organ there, as the organ in Singapore.

P.S. I pretty much authored the entire page on this church and requested its creation in the first place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.74.148.64 (talk) 03:34, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, with respect to your edits, I would like to thank you for your contribution. However, Wikipedia doesn't accept original research. I notice that there are plenty of Singapore related articles with original research, and I am making it a point to limit such inclusion as much as possible going forward. Other than "there is a good chance that the same men worked on the organ there", are there verifiable records, news, etc that can be used to prove the providence of the pipe organ? robertsky (talk) 03:39, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Just thought I'd let you know

that someone you and I have interacted with on the Singapore article has been permanently booted off Wikipedia for sockpuppetry. I'm quite taken aback, to be honest. Eh. Who'd have thought. Tiger7253 (talk) 16:15, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tiger7253: yes, I am aware. It was a matter of time. robertsky (talk) 17:22, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Two confusing infoboxes in the Oceania article

Talk:Oceania

Someone is trying to insert "Two infoboxes" into the Oceania article with the second infobox stating that Oceania consists of 21 countries, not 14 countries. Your input will be highly appreciated! 2001:8003:9008:1301:B9F6:33CE:1491:37AB (talk) 17:32, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Question about index page

Hi, I got your name from the history of Index of Singapore-related articles. I'm not familiar with index-type articles. If I merge/redirect an article on that page, do I need to remove it manually or does it get updated programmatically? Thanks! Schazjmd (talk) 23:50, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Schazjmd: For Index of Singapore-related articles, as long as the redirect page has been stripped off the Singapore-related categories that it had, the redirect page will be removed when I do my crawl every weekend. You can remove the entry in the index as well manually if you like. robertsky (talk) 01:23, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

bypassing redirects

fyi, I'm fixing stuff too. :D Starzoner (talk) 21:10, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

I can tell. haha. there are articles which have been skipped, i.e. the targeted string was not found. robertsky (talk) 21:22, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Please be more careful

Please be more careful updating redirects, page names, etc. With this edit, you broke a file name (so the image stopped displaying) and made one caption not make sense. I've fixed this article, but please avoid doing this on similar pages. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:29, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the catch. Will be more alert moving forward. robertsky (talk) 23:36, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Robertsky, Thanks! Happy editing, ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:36, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

I come from Dmitri Smirnov. Firstly, there's nothing wrong with a good redirect, - no need to fix it, but if you want to waste your time, fine. (I did the same in the beginning, so understand.) Secondly, moving articles to your liking and THEN "fixing" seems an especially time-wasting idea. Finally: if avoiding a redirect leads to a nonsense or repetitive sentence, please take care of that also. - Isn't it sad enough that he died? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:39, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Adding: As discussed on his talk, death from COVID-19 is no lead material. Please, when you see it in a lead, find a way to place it in the body if not there yet. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: First, I was not involved in the move consensus. Secondly, yes time wasted. Moving on. Third, the repetitive content was there already even without the redirect. Agreed that it should have been restructured which I did for some of the other articles that came through. This slipped, I apologise. robertsky (talk) 09:45, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining, I understand better now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:48, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

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DYK for Princess María Teresa of Bourbon-Parma

On 14 May 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Princess María Teresa of Bourbon-Parma, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Princess María Teresa of Bourbon-Parma was nicknamed the "Red Princess" because of her socialist activism? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Princess María Teresa of Bourbon-Parma. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Princess María Teresa of Bourbon-Parma), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Re: ABS-CBN shows

Good day RobertskySemi!

Dropped by to discuss the links you changed across all ABS-CBN shows. I very much appreciate the efforts you've put into it but I've got to point out that the ABS-CBN there was always meant to link to ABS-CBN (TV network) and not ABS-CBN Corporation. The shows have more logical connection after all to the TV network than they do to the actual corporation, being that it is after all the TV network that does the broadcasting. Hope that clears that up. Warmest regards Gardo Versace (talk) 19:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gardo Versace: thanks for the feedback. I will make the necessary changes. robertsky (talk) 21:51, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

@Robertsky: Thank you! Warmest regards. Gardo Versace (talk) 22:03, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gardo Versace: is it also safe to assume the following:

* employment under ABS-CBN for artistes presenters and other staff goes to the corp page

* in infoboxes, broadcast and network parameters are referring to the tv network

robertsky (talk) 22:11, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

@Robertsky: Now that one is a gray area. Being that the corporation owns the TV Network, you can say it's the corporation. Then again, you can also say it's the TV network. What does the other pages say? Does FOX have an example?

But, here's where we delineate. If the article refers to the broadcaster, it's the TV network. If it refers to the corporate entity, it's the corporation. So in the case of the ABS-CBN franchise renewal controversy article, it's the Corporation being referred to except when the topic of shutdown comes, at which point the one being referred to is the TV network since it's the broadcaster. Gardo Versace (talk) 03:48, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gardo Versace: It's all about the context huh. Thanks. I am now running through the list of pages multiple times, so do expect to see more atomic changes in the pages you have on your watchlist. robertsky (talk) 05:41, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Robertsky (talk · contribs) sure thing. I appreciate the effort you're putting into it. Thank you so much! Warmest regards. Gardo Versace (talk) 06:10, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

@Robertsky: Hey! Dropped by to personally thank you for keeping up the work you've been putting into cleaning up wikilinks relating to ABS-CBN. Couldn't thank you enough for it. Again, thank you and keep up the good work. Best regards. Gardo Versace (talk) 09:42, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gardo Versace: Thanks! More on the way. There's still more than half of the existing links that need to be updated still. robertsky (talk) 23:17, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Article on Circuit Breaker

Hi, I would like to ask about the "Circuit Breaker" article. I have actually created the Circuit Breaker article. Any suggestions on content to add/transfer from the Timeline to the article on the Circuit Breaker? Thanks. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 10:21, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

The legislative act that empower the authorities to implement measures. robertsky (talk) 14:54, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Another clarification. For laws like safe elections, virtual marriages and Parliament, does it fall under CB or under the Timeline article? Thanks. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 17:17, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

I would think both. robertsky (talk) 23:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Alright. Noted with thanks. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 16:53, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

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User talk:Justanothersgwikieditor#Responding_to_your_message

Do I spot a sock or is something else going on? Never mind... just realized what happened - Rich^T|C|E-Mail 15:23, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

@Rich Smith: Heh. To answer to your striked out question: Nah, nothing nefarious. I do have alt account though, declared for AWB usage for repetitive minor edits. Was on Justanothersgwikieditor's Talk page to drop a message and I saw the previous section and went to do a bit of digging. No worries! – robertsky (talk) 15:32, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

@Robertsky: I wasn't talking about you. I was thinking Justanother... was a sock of User:Kiatyuan - Rich^T|C|E-Mail 15:33, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Oh. Nah... It can't be.– robertsky (talk) 15:43, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Hahaha I walk barefooted, no socks! --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 01:24, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Seah Kian Peng

 Done GiantSnowman 06:48, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Removal of details from 963 hao fm and yes 933

Hi pls note that what is written on the 2 pages is per what it is heard and seen currently. Do check before you revert. If u not sure anything can write to me on my talk page but not removing without checking! Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bringyouaway (talk • contribs)

@Bringyouaway: Unsourced material is unsourced material. If you want those details in, they better be backed by reputable and verifiable sources. – robertsky (talk) 04:59, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Ok if that's the case you can help me to backed up from the melisten website for those details for yes 933. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bringyouaway (talk • contribs) 05:05, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

@Bringyouaway: You insert the details, you insert the references. Don't do the work half-done. – robertsky (talk) 05:08, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Strategic Marine

Hi Robertsky, thanks for our message.

Strategic Marine Pty Ltd is ("SMPL") was a related company (common directors) to Strategic Marine (S) Pte Ltd ("SMS") until SMS was acquired by another party in 2019. SMPL has since changed their name to Henderson Marine.

There are some inaccuracies on SMPL's page as follows:

1) parent: Triyards Holdings Limited was actually the parent of SMS and not the parent of SMPL 2) SMPL do not operate the yard in Tuas Singapore and Vung Tau Vietnam - both yards were operated by the management of SMS through Triyards Holding Limited

The editing I have done was mainly text copied from the website www.strategicmarine.com which is owned by SMS (not SMPL) - hence I believe there is no copyright infringement here? Kindly guide me

Since SMPL has changed their company name to Henderson Marine, are you able to reach out to the writer of the SMPL wiki page to get them to make the required edit to correct the facts? We need them to change their name to Henderson Marine so that anyone who do a search on "Strategic Marine" will be pointed to our wiki page for SMS.

Therefore, is it more efficient if they change their name while I put up a fresh page for SMS? Appreciate your advice how best to do this.

Thank you

RyanRyan Seah (talk) 09:43, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@Ryan Seah:,

First, let me address the copyright infringement. The text on the company website needs to be released explicitly to the public domain. See Wikipedia:Copyright violations.

Next on the content. The content on the page, Strategic Marine is largely taken from primary sources. After looking through everything, and searching for information through Google, I fail to see the notability for the article to . I am submitting this page for a deletion discussion instead.

From your message here... It sounds like you are gainfully employed by SMS. You will be required to declare your affiliation as there is a low tolerance for conflict of interest on Wikipedia, if you are to go ahead to put a fresh page for SMS. P.S. I suggest that you see what makes the company notable first and research on these achievements or items of note if they are backed by verifiable and reputable secondary sources. More often then not, efforts by COI editors to create an article for their own companies will fail for not doing so. (See: WP:GNG and WP:NCORP)

Lastly, Wikipedia is free for anyone to edit. There is no one writer or owner of the article. I happened to see your edits as I happened to watch on changes to Singapore related articles.

Cheers! – robertsky (talk) 10:19, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@ Robertsky

Thanks for your guidance. Based on the rules, I do not think SMS would be in a position to write a wiki page on the Company. Yes, I am currently an employee of SMS and this editing is brought about when we discovered the inaccuracies posted on SMPL's wiki page. Can you guide how do I contact the writer for SMPL's wiki page as I believe the most efficient way to address my concern is to reach out to this writer to edit their page to correct some of the information? Thanks 165.21.106.38 (talk) 10:38, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@ Robertsky To clarify, when you mentioned you are "submitting this page for deletion instead", did you mean the existing wiki page for SMPL? Thanks Ryan Ryan Seah (talk) 11:05, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@Ryan Seah: Once again, there is no one writer that we can pinpoint. Anyone can edit the page. Actually since you are under SMS, you should be able to edit Strategic Marine currently as the article is about SMPL. Technically no COI here. And yes, for the existing wiki page for SMPL. I have raised a proposal for deletion on the page itself. Anyone can challenge it by removing the banner, and then edit the page to raise the quality of the page so that the notability can be established. A deletion discussion will follow shortly if there are no edits to improve the article, or the article is not improved sufficiently. – robertsky (talk) 15:43, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

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@CommanderWaterford: Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Forgot to check for copyvio in haste to split out the article. – robertsky (talk) 08:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Will be helping GE2020

Hi there Robertsky,

I will like to lend you a hand in the upcoming election which was due. Count me in in the task force. Sculture65 (talk) 09:57, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

But of course. Already on it. – robertsky (talk) 10:01, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Capitalization of "group"

Please familiarize yourself with MOS:INSTITUTIONS and then revisit City Developments Limited. Wikipedia's style is to use lower case for generic terms like "the company", "the group" or "the university". Chris the speller ^yack 14:20, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Done. – robertsky (talk) 14:23, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Fake news regarding the real founders of East Ventures

Hi Robertsky,

Please refer to below articles: https://www.tokopedia.com/blog/press-release-tokopedia-receives-investment-from-east-ventures/

https://techcrunch.com/video/wilson-cuaca-and-chandra-tjan-on-venture-capital-in-indonesia/

The original founders of East Ventures were 4 gentlemen, in fact it was never 3. I was just very sad that the 4th person was always being screwed. Where is the democracy of the real news?

To my understanding, from my sources of network, there were court case happened between 4 founders recently, and the facts were stated clearly in the court documents, which you may be able to retrieve from Singapore High Court.

111.223.121.2 (talk) 17:30, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Democracy of real news here is when you back the assertion up with proper references cited. Insert the reference there, otherwise it will be removed, especially when the editor reverting your changes does not check beyond the sources cited. The facts so far that have been presented in the article and the recent edit history are 1. the TiA source cited immediate to the statement did not contain Chandra's name; 2. the source you put in the edit comment did not explicitly mention Chandra as a founder.

From here, the only source that can be used immediately is the tokopedia press release. Personally, I don't like to use videos as source because I don't prioritise time to watch videos, especially if they are not short (<1min). As for the court documents, there is nothing to talk about without links to them. – robertsky (talk) 18:59, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of major crimes in Singapore (before 2000)

The article List of major crimes in Singapore (before 2000) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

List article does not conform to MOS:LIST guidelines. It should consist of links to existing articles about the subject rather be a WP:NOTDICT directory listing. The article as it currently exists appears to be a collection of news articles rather than an encyclopaedia article.

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@Noq: Agreed with the reasoning. Was wondering if the list was getting bloated, hence the initial split from the original article to deal with the bloat. However, I think this list should be considered as standalone list instead, and the entries should be pared done as per WP:CSC. Personally, I feel a PROD is unnecessary given that the lists are being actively worked on by several editors here. A friendlier message pointing in the right direction would have been sufficient. In any case... see Queries subsection (was composing a reply while TheGreatSG'rean post a message here). – robertsky (talk) 20:00, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Queries on crime list pages

Hi, I need to ask, is there a way to prevent deletion of the List of Crimes pages? I think there has to be a way to conform to policy and still have the article intact. It would be a loss if it was deleted. Thanks. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 19:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

@NelsonLee20042020, Justanothersgwikieditor, and TheGreatSG'rean: I guess we have 7 days from now (until 27 June. 26 June for buffer) to rectify this. I suggest the following steps:

1. a relook at the content to see what can be considered notable enough to create new articles per WP:CSC.
2. trim the list to include crimes with their own articles. this will potentially might end up with a merge back to one list.
3. for crimes with sufficient notability but without their own articles, we can establish a list in the WP:SG space so that we can collectively work on new articles in a systematic order. There is already some preliminary work done as indicated at Talk:List_of_major_crimes_in_Singapore_(2000–present)#Condensing cases in 2010s and adding more cases in the past decades.

We can take a look at other similar lists pages such as List of major crimes in the United Kingdom as examples. – robertsky (talk) 20:00, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

To be honest, most of the crimes are featured in shows, which is a far cry compared to before 2019 when lots of editing was carried out. Some content needs to be condensed, with the main highlights stated. As the rules stated, Wikipedia isn't a news page, it can't simply contain all the crime facts. Thanks. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 20:21, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

I have an idea. The crime articles we have is actually a timeline. We will need to rename it accordingly, as seen in Timeline of major crimes in Australia, as well as condense events to the most important details. Thanks. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 20:31, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

@TheGreatSG'rean: Even if it is under the Timeline format, we will most likely still need to adhere to WP:CSC, and reduce the content. Most of the entries in Timeline of major crimes in Australia are actually linked to an article about the crime committed itself. This is no different from List of major crimes in the United Kingdom. – robertsky (talk) 20:37, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. Even so, not every crime listed is notable enough for an article. We need to balance them out. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 20:39, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

@TheGreatSG'rean: Let's start with identifying which entries already have articles of their own first, put either in the table or list format (UK vs Aus list page). replace the 2000-present page's content with the reduced list first so that we can avert the PROD deletion on there. Do redirect on the (before 2000) page back to the main list. Like this, we can save the pages and their edit histories. Then we work on creating new articles for the more notable crimes so that they can be reinserted into the list. – robertsky (talk) 20:45, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

i just deleted the message NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 00:19, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

this page, it contains information about the crimes committed in singapore in the past, from the 1950s to 1990s. there were no other sources for information of any crimes other than past old newspapers of singapore. perhaps crimewatch have some that can be added, but apart from them, the newspapers are the only thing that provide us with information about the crimes from the past it is wrong to say that it is a newspaper collection and not a encyclopedia. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 00:19, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

i said these reasons in the talk page of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_crimes_in_Singapore_(before_2000) NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 00:20, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_major_crimes_in_Singapore_(2000%E2%80%93present) NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 00:46, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_major_crimes_in_Singapore_(before_2000) NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 00:46, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

there were many others too which i highlighted NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 00:47, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

for ur info, u can go read the talk pages u will decide if it is reasonable or not NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 00:47, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

@NelsonLee20042020: err.... you shouldn't have removed the PROD banner. Your reasoning unfortunately doesn't trump Wikipedia:Manual of Style guidelines, with the specific ones as given by Noq. I had looked into the guidelines and found a way to keep the articles. I would rather try to save some content and the page history, rather than restarting from scratch on a new page, thereby invalidating everyone's hard work. We had 7 days to remove entries that are not notable, otherwise we would see have seen the articles being suggested for deletion discussions, which will more than likely to end up with a consensus to delete and/or and outright request for speedy deletion.

As laid out, the quickest way is to shorten to a list of cases which already have their own Wikipedia articles. Then we work our way through to establish new articles for the notable cases that do not have Wikipedia articles, and reinclude them into the list. Not all major crimes are notable. Murders are uncommon in Singapore, but there are plenty that are not notable. e.g. the punggol fields stabbing case. although it resulted in a death and a charge of murder, there are no new details about the case to make it notable. – robertsky (talk) 03:01, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Now we are on a shorter timeline to shorten the list. Oh well... – robertsky (talk) 02:55, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

it there really a way to save it without having it go to ground zero forever? NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 03:00, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

@NelsonLee20042020: as mentioned, trim the list first. that will likely avert the ground zero of the articles being deleted. – robertsky (talk) 03:02, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

There are some crimes I had added earlier, which are notable. What about the Yishun case of 2008? TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 07:02, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

@TheGreatSG'rean: Might have missed out while shortening the list. Will elaborate the criteria I used later. Give me 5 minutes. About finish cleaning up the work there. Feel free to add back after I am done? – robertsky (talk) 07:04, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Sure. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 07:06, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

@TheGreatSG'rean: As there are a huge number of entries in the list, I begin to select entries without their own articles that are appearing 4 lines or longer on my screen as a ballpark as insertion into the table of possibly notable crimes (assumption: more details = higher possibility for article creation). In doing so, I may have missed out some notable cases that are described in a concise manner. Apologies for that. I have shift the table to Wikipedia:WikiProject Singapore/Pending list of major crimes in Singapore. Feel free to add/remove whatever I have missed out. I have also redlink some articles for the notable table as I feel we can work on these immediately due to the relatively higher levels of media coverage of these cases. – robertsky (talk) 07:20, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

I would suggest moving the articles to draft space while they are being updated to meet WP:CSC criteria. This would allow plenty of time for the individual entries to be examined and if they are notable enough to support their own article, that article can be created. Any that are notable enough in their own right should be removed from the list. Just leaving them on just turns the list into a WP:DIRECTORY. noq (talk) 10:15, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

I need to ask. For recent crimes like from 2016, how do we determine which ones are significant enough for inclusion? There's many murders reported that year, compared to others. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 16:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

See WP:NEWSEVENT for guidelines. If there is not sufficient WP:significant coverage to be able to create a stand alone article, then they should not be included. noq (talk) 18:37, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

@Robertsky: What's your view on this? TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 18:43, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

@TheGreatSG'rean: Same as Noq, if we cannot establish a standalone article about the murder, it should not be in the list. If the fact that there are X numbers of murders happened 2016 is notable for whatever reasons, maybe that fact should be included in the main article, Crime in Singapore, with sources to back that notability up. – robertsky (talk) 06:13, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

@Robertsky: With that said, I think some murders can be removed if its just plain personal disputes, including the Scoot case. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 06:27, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

This article has still not een improved. I intend to take it to AFD tomorrow if nothing is being done. As I suggested earlier, moving it do draft would be a better way of keeping it until relevant entries are incorporated into a list meeting WP:CSC requirements. BTW, once this is done, I don not think you will need the split at 2000 unless Singapore is more of a crime hotbed than most other countries. noq (talk) 14:26, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Noq: I will shift this to draft first then. – robertsky (talk) 14:48, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Noq: Moved to draft. For the post 2000 list, it will be shifted back to the main title once the shortlisted cases prior to 2000 are in the list. There are other editors working on creating the articles for some of the >2000 notable cases at the moment. – robertsky (talk) 14:59, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Re: Common Berthing Mechanism

Happy Friday (at least, here)!

Thanks for looking in on the CBM article. As noted at the bottom of the CBM talk page, I've been working on a re-write to the article, and am a bit concerned that we might be stepping on each other's toes.

Among other things, I've already drafted a revision to the "Uses" table, converting to a citation scheme that more consistently complies with standards. The list of references has expanded considerably, as has the scope of the content. The reference list currently stands at 126 items, with another 50 (±) that are duplicative or otherwise unusable. Some of the commercial websites previously referenced in the table fall into that second category. I am still winnowing the list down to the smallest possible size. I doubt that it will drop much below 100 or so; many of the references are unique to the table.

There are mutual inconsistencies in the set of references, and issues where a cogent picture doesn't emerge unless multiple references are considered in mutual context. As required by the standards, these are being addressed. I am doing so in "explanatory notes" to minimize distraction in the primary flow of the article. In most (but not all) cases, readability is better served by "bundling" the citations, so that discussion of their integrated relevance (including differences) can be cleanly discussed. Careful crafting of the notes has also allowed their re-use between the text and some of the images; I'm still editing that issue down to a more efficient package.

Interposing an "explanatory notes" section has effectively moved the referencing from the main article to the notes section. This includes references in the "Uses" table. I have not figured out how to integrate the enumeration of such notes with direct numbering of references, which would re-create the appearance of your recent edit. Therefore, I've adopted the Harvard style, although I have not yet finished the full implementation of that approach. The style allows an internally consistent scheme, but interposes a referencing layer.

Until just recently, I didn't figure the style change would matter too much: there were not many entries in the list of references. Since your recent edit, however, that is no longer true. If you know of a way to fully integrate the two enumerated lists (notes and references), I'm like to learn it. If not, then I see little alternative to what I've currently drafted (other than throwing up my hands and doing something else with my life).

Thanks again for the oversight. I'm looking forward to your suggestions.

Not fred999 (talk) 19:04, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@Not fred999: Horrors! Forgive me! My edit was mainly to convert the external links into the citation templates. Nothing more. I don't think we are stepping on each other toes. If you must, think of my edits as me trying to be helpful to prevent linkrot, and additionally, an interim one until the article is improved further. Going through the article, I thought that there might be details lacking. However, as someone who has limited knowledge on the topic, I don't intend to work further on the article in a major manner. Whatever style being adopted in the end, as long as it is consistent, I think other editors interested enough to edit on the article would learn to edit with that style in mind. I just glanced through your sandbox, which I think is a great piece of work and a vastly improved one over the current version. I think I am learning more from you instead since I am not actually expose to Harvard citation style personally. My only suggestion is that if you are sticking with Harvard style, why not consider the templates in Template:Harvard citation documentation? I noticed you have manually created the anchors for each reference. My only concern is that as the list grows, avoidable mistakes may happen, i.e. anchors in the body not matching the reference list.

In short, you do yours, and replace the current version when you are done.

You might want to consider requesting for a history merge (or by place {{History merge}} on the article when you are done, since your edits in the sandbox are quite extensive and numerous, and probably useful in showing the progress of the edits done to arrive at the end product. – robertsky (talk) 19:47, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

No worries, mate!

I ran a "pathfinder" on that template...over a year ago...there was a reason...I should have taken better notes as to why I concluded it didn't support the need as I perceived it at the time, but mostly I found that I made a lot more errors trying to conform to it. I'll look at it again. I went to the manual anchors because I could not find a template that readily support the abstraction layer without a whole lot of manual work. Possibly, I'll end up being lazy and letting someone with better wiki-skills (but maybe less technical expertise?) edit it into better compliance. Hey! What are you doing with your spare time in, say, 2021?

As to merging history...you're familiar with the expression about seeing how the sausage is made? It hasn't exactly been a linear process! I'll look at it when/as/if I get "done".

Thanks again for the oversight. Also, for the encouragement!

Not fred999 (talk) 23:44, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@Not fred999: Yea. I am more than happy to assist on the wiki syntax front. While you continue with your content development, I will look into the Harvard citation templates and see how those can be utilised properly in your sandbox. – robertsky (talk) 06:44, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Wonderful! I recall now the specific problem I was trying to solve. Interleaving the citations with the text was making it very difficult to "parse" material from the various sources into a single organizational structure for the article. It was much easier to have a "central reference repository" that could be organized according to the type of source (released Engineering reports, Flight Planning, Daily Status, technical papers, etc.). Using the direct anchors made it easy: I simply defined a citation syntax as a "comment" at the end of each reference, and used a second window to search, copy, and paste into my editing window. My editing rate increased dramatically thereafter, and my re-work rate dropped. Not fred999 (talk) 17:46, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

@Not fred999: Hmm... I will look into grouping the references into different reflist templates then. – robertsky (talk) 18:01, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Grouping turns out to be trivial, but the result still has some issues. Will leave go of the grouping idea...subsequent editors will find it arcane, anyway. Will just grind away with the standard harv templates (of various flavors). Still have to tweak because it doesn't handle "organizational" authors well, but that's just a SMOP. Thx. Not fred999 (talk) 17:10, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Saw your notes. Does the annotation template do more than just rectangles now? Tried it...it didn't handle the visual complexity very well. Been a while, might be better now. Not fred999 (talk) 02:22, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

...but {{overlay}} would work... Not fred999 (talk) 15:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Not fred999: I saw 'but would work' as simply "{{overlay}}" did not render anything, and being past midnight, I saw it as '...but would it work...' and I was puzzled. (I fixed that for you.) Yes, {{overlay}} seems to be a better alternative. – robertsky (talk) 17:52, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

1) More sleep, less wikiwork. 2) Dang, that's a lot of work: see a not-so-quick mockup...given that this can't ever make GA status (low importance), are you sure it is really worth it? (I could not figure out how to make the overlay work with the "old school" narrative captions...I'm not really sure that the legend approach is an improvement. How to get rid of that huge gap between image and legend?) Not fred999 (talk) 00:22, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Not fred999: Leave it as it is first? I will swing back to this after I am done taking stock of the pages at Category:Singaporean television actresses and other related categories (some 200 pages). – robertsky (talk) 02:22, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

About reverting on WordPress

I don't see any personal attacks here. What personal attack did I make on you? I made an edit and you IN ERROR, reverted it, and then tried to tell me that I was wrong for not citing a source FOR YOUR CLAIM (unsubstantiated) that this package is free and open source when it is not, which I can tell you, as both a user and owner. It USED to be free and open source, but it isn't any longer and hasn't been for like 9 years, but Wikipedia keeps LYIING on behalf of this corporation. It's not free and open source, it's not listed on the page for free and open source projects, so the listing shouldn't say that it's free and open source, and shouldn't link to the entry about free and open source projects BECAUSE IT ISN'T ONE. If it was one, it would be listed on the Wikipedia page that lists free and open source projects. It is not listed there. That is my "proof" if you need a "citation" to fix your error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Owen a ferguson (talk • contribs)

@Owen a ferguson: Again, WordPress releases its code under GPL v2 license. It is in the infobox, and cited as well in the article itself. I think you may be confused with WordPress.com, which is a commercial implementation of WordPress code. If you are not confused, then I am right to call you out. I am a WordPress user and a developer as well, by the way. – robertsky (talk) 06:58, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm neither a user nor developer of that piece of shit, but I used to be, and when they changed their model so that users/developers like you no longer have control of an unencrypted copy of your own email contacts database (which was years ago) they effectively turned everyone who was using it and saying it was open source into a total fucking liar.

When they removed bulk user export functionality and stopped adding email addresses that non-Wordpress users put into my "submit email" form directly into my own unencrypted SQL container, they were no longer operating in the spirit of free and open software. I don't really give a fuck about what license they use. I care about users who expect free and open software actually getting a free and open software experience. If your only argument is that they use the GPL, well, that's already in the sidebar, as you expressed. It doesn't need to be in the article text, and especially shouldn't link to an article about free and open software when Wordpress is abusing the notion of FOSS to be a bad participant on the peer-to-peer web.

God I wish I hadn't taken the time to explain all this to your pedantic ass, and just stayed with calling you an asshole. People like you, who don't know shit about shit except what the rules are, you are the reason I almost never come here and contribute, and why I've never given a dollar to this shitty website.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Owen a ferguson (talk • contribs)

@Owen a ferguson: You are showing signs of WP:NOTHERE. I suggest you desist and think through clearly and carefully. WordPress as a free and open source software allows you to have full control over your database. You just need to install it on your own server. I shall not assume your understanding, or lack of, on how WordPress actually works. You have your thoughts, but Wikipedia is not a place for you to espouse your personal opinions without verifiable citation. By the way, citing Wikipedia articles on Wikipedia is not tolerated too. – robertsky (talk) 07:24, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

So are you going to change the page that lists open source projects to include Wordpress, since you seem to be convinced they are that thing? If you do, I feel like I'd have to revert that change, just so I can be as much of an officious dick to you as you were to me when you reverted my edits instead of reaching out to me first for an explanation of your unwarranted and abusive actions towards me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Owen a ferguson (talk • contribs)

@Owen a ferguson: If you mean this list List of free and open-source software packages, under the Content Management System section, it points to Category:Free content management systems, which WordPress is already categorised as. I don't see the need to update the list. – robertsky (talk) 07:57, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination for City Developments Limited

Hello, I am interesting in helping with the review at Template:Did you know nominations/City Developments Limited. Please see the question on the nomination page. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 03:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

@Flibirigit: Replied. Anything else that I need to do? I believe I should start doing reviews to pay it forward. – robertsky (talk) 05:28, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

I will complete the review for City Developments Limited shortly. Please look for any comments on the nomination page. If you want to do reviews, please look for instructions at WP:DYK, and post questions at WT:DYK. Flibirigit (talk) 16:52, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Please revert the deletion of the analysis page on GE2020

I do not agree with your deletion of the entire analysis panel from the Singapore General Election 2020 page conducted on 20:27, 11 July 2020. This is because of 4 main reasons. 1. This analysis page has been published in every another singaporean general election that has the data to make such a page, and it is therefore highly irregular to delete the entire thing. 2. The analysis page provides very useful information for wikipedia viewers, and deleting it is detrimental to the page as a whole. I for one like viewing the top 10 best PAP and Opposition performing constituencies to see where the Opposition can focus their efforts on in the future. 3. I have no idea whst you are refering to when you say you are "not convinced that this section is free of original research and unpublished synthesis." These tables are all factual information taken directly from the election results; what is the problem here? 4. Accuracy comparison is quite important in showing that the sample counts are fairly accurste and shows potential outliers in the system. Even if you think that it is not relevant, that is still not justification for deleting the entire analysis page compared to just that specific part of the analysis. As i do not wish to start and editting war UNLESS I have to, I am contacting you first in hopes that we can reach an agreement before doing anything else. Bvdrst Adabra (talk) 00:52, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bvdrst Adabra: This conversation would be more beneficial in Talk:2020 Singaporean general election, with the other active editors there helping to reach a consensus. I am moving this there instead. – robertsky (talk) 02:12, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Determining future PM

Hi Robertsky, given the recent GE2020 results in East Coast, is it ok to indicate that there are doubts in who is the future PM, or better to wait for more news? Thanks TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 16:47, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

@TheGreatSG'rean: wait for more news. anything is WP:CRYSTAL at the moment. – robertsky (talk) 17:52, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 18:05, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Potential sock

Hi, the new user RRyomi (whose first edit included userboxes and a lot of userpage code) made this edit which was part of previous confirmed Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ineedtostopforgetting posts. You're more familiar, so I thought I'd check with you. CMD (talk) 03:50, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis: It may be possible. Haha. Guess what... I am actually looking at another user, Vietbox, who also made a couple of edits on East Asian cultural sphere that is also suspiciously part of edits of previously confirmed socks. I didn't want to call it out earlier as there were prior queries (unanswered) on whether to include Singapore in that article. Maybe a CU might help to confirm our suspicions given that both users here are purportedly from different countries according to their userpage. – robertsky (talk) 04:04, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Well that's clearly not a new editor, and was created at a similar time. Quacks enough for a CU to me. CMD (talk) 05:38, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis: filed all these users on the SPI page. – robertsky (talk) 07:00, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Prolific. CMD (talk) 15:39, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis: wow. There's even one with my name to it. – robertsky (talk) 15:50, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

And with the most well-developed user page too. I've requested the photo it used be speedily deleted on commons. I've no idea if it's you mind, but either way it doesn't need to hang around. CMD (talk) 15:56, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis: It's me, but I didn't consent to it being uploaded here or commons. Thanks, I saw the request! – robertsky (talk)

Such a pixellated image too. You deserve more competent attack pages. CMD (talk) 16:14, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis: Oh why. I am flattered. – robertsky (talk) 16:52, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

For work on Singapore articles at the very least. There's also common courtesy. Anyway, I think that everything is cleaned up for now, although the pattern suggests they'll be back again. CMD (talk) 00:44, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Najib Razak

On 28 July 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Najib Razak, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 23:53, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for City Developments Limited

On 29 July 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article City Developments Limited, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 1965, City Developments Limited is believed to be the first company in Asia to introduce the concept of show houses? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/City Developments Limited. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, City Developments Limited), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Singapore article API

Hi, can I request that the API you’re using to maintain Index of Singapore-related articles not include redirects? For the time being, I can’t tell whether the repeated redirect overwriting at Anderson Primary School is coming from that article or elsewhere. Thanks! Jalen Folf (talk) 16:44, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@JalenFolf: The page had a category that is part of the scan list which I had removed (diff), which was why my tool picked it up. I had the category removed after I updated the list here. Will have page removed if you have yet to do so. I will explore the idea of identifying if a particular article is a redirect and exclude them automatically. – robertsky (talk) 01:48, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Happy National Day!!

Hello, I would just like to reciprocate and extend my gratitude to you as well. Happy National Day!

		The Singapore Barnstar of National Merit
		For valiantly editing across a myriad of Singapore-related articles, especially with a community as small as ours where you see the same regular editors across many pages.
		this WikiAward was given to robertsky by Seloloving (talk) 13:43, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Review of "Major crimes in Singapore" article

Hi, on the List of major crimes article, would anyone be able to help update and restore the article? The effort has been held off for about 2 months now. Thanks. Also, I don't wish to see clutter in these articles anymore. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 03:53, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@TheGreatSG'rean: Apologies. was taking a break to recharge for the next rush of edits. Will have a look at it soon. – robertsky (talk) 06:45, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. We definitely need to restore the pages, with a focus on major crimes reported. There can be many in the same year, but it has to be really significant. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 13:08, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

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Edits on Grab (company)

Hey, RobertSky, is there a reason you keep deleting my edits? I added my linkedin page — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnChuaFinance (talk • contribs) 03:57, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

@JohnChuaFinance: 1. LinkedIn is considered as self-published source, and should be used only in limited situations. See WP:ELP for relevant guidelines/policies. 2. Barring relevant verifiable, and secondary sources to prove the notability of you in your role, Wikipedia is not for self-promotion. And there is the matter of conflict of interest as well. See: WP:PROMO and WP:COI for relevant guidelines/policies. – robertsky (talk) 04:16, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Additionally, there is also this: "Generally list prominent, current executives within the company holding key positions such as chairman, chief executive officer, president, VP of design, etc., but do not list roles below chief officer level if they are not notable." (bold emphasis mine) as a guideline in {{Infobox company}} – robertsky (talk) 04:19, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey Robert, I did not put my name under the key people. I worked at Grab for 2 years as the head of financing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnChuaFinance (talk • contribs) 17:38, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@JohnChuaFinance: clearly you are trying to bend around the policies (particularly WP:COI, WP:PROMO) here on Wikipedia. Let me break it down in simple English for you: You don't write about yourself here. Period. Not in the infobox. Not in article text. And how the heck do we know that you are you? Anyone can create an account here. – robertsky (talk) 04:02, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

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Edits on Mobilewalla

Thank you for your note in regards to editing the Mobilewalla page and the related Wikipedia policies, I really appreciate it. The current page is factually incorrect as the nature of the company and our business has changed dramatically since the page was first created in 2013. How do I go about updating the page to accurately represent our current business (facts, not marketing spin) without violating the conflict of interest policies? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you, Laurie Lauriemhood (talk) 19:57, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@Lauriemhood: If you are running foul of WP:COI (which your edit pattern suggests), I suggest that you follow the steps outlined in WP:DISCLOSE, and request an edit review as guided here, WP:COIREQ. The information you have tried to remove are related to recent events. Even if it does not positively reflect your business, these did happen under the company's banner. What you may want to focus on instead is on the history of your company, and expand on that. I know that the company had pivoted at least once from adtech to data analytics, however independent and reliable sources are sparse. – robertsky (talk) 02:28, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2021!

Hello Robertsky, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2021. Happy editing, Starzoner (talk) 17:45, 23 December 2020 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

I wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! Starzoner (talk) 17:45, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

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	Hello Robertsky: Did you know ... that back in 1885, Wikipedia editors wrote Good Articles with axes, hammers and chisels? Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia using 21st century technology. I hope you don't get any unnecessary blisters. Starzoner (talk) 15:20, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

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I wish you a prosperous 2021! Starzoner (talk) 15:20, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2025 elections in Asia

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2025 in Singapore

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Regarding comments and edits in Kho Jabing

Thank you for pointing out my mistakes. I try to find other sources to back up my info or just rewrite some of them. I think there was a link leading to a youtube video about the interview of Kho's family members, which i have wrote about. Should i still use the link to cite it? NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 17 January 2021, 03:14 (UTC).

@NelsonLee20042020: No problem. It takes awhile to get the hang of editing on Wikipedia. Don't be discouraged. Despite working on this site actively for at least two years, there are still parts that I have yet to dive into. A for the youtube link, generally youtube videos isn't reliable as most of them are self-published sources or reuploads of copyrighted materials. However, if the video is uploaded by an account/channel associated with an known/notable organisation, i.e. Mediacorp's, then feel free to use the video. Otherwise, find another source to write about it. – robertsky (talk) 04:15, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

oh ok. the group who upload the video was an anti-death penalty group, not sure if counted or not NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 04:40, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@NelsonLee20042020: If it is not a fly by night group, I think it is fine. But just remember not to be affect by their point of view too much and be as neutral as possible when citing them. – robertsky (talk) 04:54, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

thank you, robertsky, for the advice and encouragement. i am also a newcomer in editing wikipedia. hope we can together support each other, and i am sure we still have much space for learning. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 05:19, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Books & Bytes - Issue 42

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SGD

Thank you for helping with SGD. If you add more subtemplates, {{To USD/General}} has a sandbox and would now need a few more test cases. The subtemplates are linked from the {{To USD}} documentation. You can find broken pages with the tracking categories also linked in that documentation. You can look at {{To EUR}} to find what pages are using it (no more MRT there now). Special thanks for trying to expand the {{Inflation}} coverage. Trigenibinion (talk) 01:56, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

@Trigenibinion: Updating or adding new datasets at such an adhoc basis where I check for broken pages is inefficient, and kind of like whack a mole. If there is no one else doing the following, I will be writing a script to generate the data files for all available years for {{To USD}} based on the data from [4]. Are there any other datasets which I should look at to fill the gaps in the worldbank data? Also, for Singapore articles, we typical convert to USD primarily. I have a suggestion for the {{FXConvert}} template you have created: somehow store the currency to convert to as an user preference, and convert to the stored currency preference unless otherwise indicated and/or by default to USD. – robertsky (talk) 04:37, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello. You could ask in the {{To USD}} talk page if anybody had any plans for a data ingestion script, but I haven't been getting any feedback there. The 2019 data is from UN (published by the World Bank), the subtemplate also has a link to the IRS. Sometimes someone used ECB data for the Euro, but that is now kept inside {{To EUR}} anyway, similarly to how the source for INR is {{INRConvert}}. I already asked in the Preferences help page for a default currency setting, but then one would also need to transclude part of the pages dynamically. By default, my templates convert to USD because that is still the world standard. Trigenibinion (talk) 14:29, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

I think there might be a lot of actual World Bank data just rolled over in those subtemplates, so the newer ones might also need to be updated with the data originating from the UN. Trigenibinion (talk) 14:39, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

MRT page discussion

Hello Robertsky, I would like to let you know that I replied to your 'Oppose' vote on the MRT talkpage. Should you have any additional reasons, please do add them as I believe Pentagon 2057 similarly misunderstood the reason for the page move proposal. Both ZKang123 and me had previously discussed it on Discord before listing it for discussion, so I am open to extra feedback as well. Seloloving (talk) 00:28, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Chinese New Year talk page

The right place to put a request for a pronunciation audio is the article talk page (see {{praudio}} documentation). Can you provide a pronunciation audio? --BoldLuis (talk) 18:34, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

@BoldLuis: what you did was to copy the pinyin into the article talk page rather than putting {{praudio}} directly onto the talk page. – robertsky (talk) 03:42, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Though cited authoritatively. What is wrong, still remains a wrong.

[You say] "Previous version is closer to what is seen on malaysian government website though"

Dear friend, who is "Mr. Malaysian Government". The actual author's identity is unknown and may never be knowable.

[I put it to you] She is most likely an administrative government servant with poor oversight. The article has neither citation nor date of creation And She in no expert in law in neither Malay nor English. E.g. "Bahawasanya" is a real legal terminology meaning "In conjunction"

[I beg you seeking fairness] I sincerely beg you to return my work and watch the article you cited change within a year.

[History] Do you know the real reason behind the May 13 riots? And Do you know the word Muhibbah and how it was wielded against Malaysian politicians for 10 years? Else The real reason, why Singapore was kicked out of Malaysia. More In 1970 (glaring points) 1. Abruptly all local elections were abolished 2. Abruptly all the lawyers in Malaysian courts had to argue in Malay and all judgment must be written in Malay. 3. Abruptly all business signboards had to be in Malay and the Malay lettering must larger than Chinese lettering, failing which, the signboard was torn down militarily with heavy guns present. 4. Songs and books were banned, thick and fast, citing little or no reason, Dato' Sheila Majid was among the many who were banned. 5. The Romanization of Malay was made officially.

[Who is in-charge] This put enormous pressure on Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka, nominated as sole authority. At time was underfunded, ill-equipped with ill-suited board members. This is a fact, proven time and time again.

However the fact remains, the above article was "not"; done, authorized, endorsed, approved, recognized, nor even sighted by Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka the actual sole authority for such an important declaration.

Remember the founding fathers chose not to translate it as it would dilute their cause of making the Malay the supreme language of the land. Sadly it did not end well for this advanced 5,000 year old language.

[Regression and down fall of society] The May 13 incident had put Malaysia in regressive path and also gave credence to the deep state called little Napoleons. With Ringgit steadily falling against the Sing Dollar, It is strange, Singapore imports 90% of Malaysian exports, common sense says "if you buy, you lose money and if you sell, you gain money" I guess common sense is not so common.

[How I know this] I was there, what I saw, felt and read in the newspapers, is not all the history to my children

Thanks all the best

[An old saying] "Water must travel down from a higher plain". [Magistrate, Master Fu-Zi,Kong] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.1.219.200 (talk) 07:31, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

That's your views about Malaysian government. Your edits remain unsourced and self-published. Anyone can claim to be an expert, but Wikipedia doesn't exempt expert editors from its core policies. This is especially so when one chooses to edit anonymously. Do find authoritative sources to back your words up. – robertsky (talk) 07:40, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Wiki paradox: Issac Newton cannot publish in Wikipedia ?

[Newton] Issac Newton cannot publish his work in Wikipedia, yet it is littered with his [A fool] Only a fool believes the father of Wiki was stupid allowing anonymous edits [Power] "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" [Sir John Dalberg-Acton] [Translation] How does translation becomes origin work?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.1.219.200 (talk) 12:34, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Newton, in this case, would be considered as an expert editing in his knowledge. He is welcome to cite his own sources as long as it is relevant, but sparingly used. This is on the assumption that his work is already widely cited by his peers. He would also have to declare himself as one with a conflict of interest. See Help:Wikipedia editing for researchers, scholars, and academics.

Now, as for translations, I relooked at translating into English on here, and found that translations may not be considered original research. In fact, one would have expected a literal translation of a non-English source, going by the essay previously linked. For this, I apologise. However unfortunately, "translations published by reliable sources are preferred over translations by Wikipedians, but translations by Wikipedians are preferred over machine translations".

From my point of view, I boil this down to the lack of clarity in our words.

Here's how I saw your edit message, and how I went about looking at this. Your edit message waxed lyrical about the beauty of Malay language and a 'corruption' of the language with loan words, rather than address why the translation did not suffice. On the first glance, the translation in Wikipedia worked well in my opinion, imparting the key points in the text. There was no need to change the translation. So, since I am not well-versed with Malay, I keyed in "Rukun Negara" into Google, and out comes an authoritative source from a Malaysian government website. Keying the Malay text into Google Translate also showed a similar English text to that on the article, but I took this is in lesser consideration given that machine translation is not perfect. Thus, forming the viewpoint that the existing text on the article as OK and not necessary of change.

If you had shared why your translation would work better, i.e. why "Kepercayaan kepada tuhan" should be "The trust in god", and not "Belief in god", it may have been better received. But since the changes you want to make are across the entire text, it would be better to have a new section in the article's talk page as there is an upper limit to how much you can share in an edit summary. – robertsky (talk) 16:14, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Xinmin Secondary school

The name of the principal of Xinmin Secondary School is spelled as Yap Fun Fong in the info box, but Yap Fun Hong in the table of principals. From my understanding, the latter spelling is the correct one. Butsheverycute (talk) 00:28, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

@Butsheverycute: Ah. I realised my mistake now. Yap's name is in various dialect forms in some refs, while it is also in pinyin in others. Apologies for the mix up since the versions are close to each other. Honestly, all names are correct. Let me make this consistent and put a note to tie the different variants together. – robertsky (talk) 16:14, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Ng Man-tat

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