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This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. 1 2 3 Archive 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Template:User Wheaten(s) Many thanks for the suggestion - I have done as you asked. -- DBD 22:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC) Cool. Is that your dog? I'm the mutt lover. Rfrisbietalk 23:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC) Standardized test As an expert, can you help improve this page? It's full of uncited material that may not be true. Thank you! Chris53516 16:25, 2 August 2006 (UTC) Hi Chris53516, I wouldn't say I'm an "expect." I'm more like a "recovering former user." I like what you've been doing to that group of articles. I'll pitch in here and there if I think of a good reference, etc. Regards, Rfrisbietalk 16:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC) From the archive, you said: "My doctorate is in Educational Leadership with a specialty in educational evaluation. I've worked in the field for the past 20+ years."[1] (emphasis added). If you're not an expert, I don't know what one is. Chris53516 16:53, 2 August 2006 (UTC) After working under real testing and measurement experts, I know I'm not one - too esoteric for me! But like I said, I'll help out where I can see some value to be added. Rfrisbietalk 17:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC) Userbox I just made another userbox: {{User:UBX/No trade with animals}} before noticing you moved the other boxes. Feel free to move this as well. Since you appear to be interested in education as well I'd appreciate your comment on some ideas I wrote down. --Fasten 18:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC) Sure, I've moved the box. As far as some ideas go, they might be adding up to "quite a few"! Do you have anything specific in mind what you're looking for? Rfrisbietalk 18:56, 2 August 2006 (UTC) Looking for? - You mean any particular question to you concerning my text? One question could be: Is promoting a theory of mind in pupils and educating pupils to be pedagogues as a means of socialization a topic that deserves further attention (in detail) or is this, for some reason, intentionally not a part of formal education? --Fasten 16:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC) Yes, like that. I'm really not well-versed on the subject, but Howard Gardner's Theory of multiple intelligences might relate in some way to theory of mind. Project Zero is one approach to addressing such issues through formal education, usually in alternative and/or magnet schools. I hope this helps. Rfrisbietalk 16:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC) Bypassing GRBGUS You missed bypassing the links to User talk:GRBerry/German userbox solution. Of course, they are from two of your talk page archives, so you might not care that much, but they are needed for completeness. GRBerry 22:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC) Didn't miss, just not finished! Rfrisbietalk 22:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC) There!! (What were we talking about? ;-) Rfrisbietalk 22:21, 2 August 2006 (UTC) Pug User Box Hey, I would be happy to move my pug userbox to my own space and in fact would like the experience of doing it myself. Can it wait till next week? I really want to finish up another wikiproject I'm working on.--Dr who1975 19:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC) Sure. Rfrisbietalk 20:58, 3 August 2006 (UTC) Sorry. It's been a busy week. I'm still planning on doing it.--Dr who1975 16:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Okay, it's still there. Rfrisbietalk 17:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC) OK, I've created my own user boxes for pug and started updating pages User:Dr_who1975/Userbox/. I was wondering if you minded me taking on all the pug oriented boxes or not? I'm going to finish moving everything within the next day or so.--Dr who1975 21:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC) Done. Quicker than I thought. Mooga thanks you. File:Pug3.jpg The only thing i havent't done is deleted {{User:UBX/Pug}} and {{User:UBX/Pug2}}. I don't know how to delete pages. --Dr who1975 21:56, 16 August 2006 (UTC) Question? Excuse me, but what have you done to my userpage? This really wierd thing has popped since you edited my page and I don't like it. Please fix it. loulou 20:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC) Hi loulou, it was just a coincidence that I updated your "caring cat" box about the same time an admin deleted your "pre-teen" box and left the "really weird thing" in its place. I put a comment around the problem so you can see where it is. You might want to just delete that line. Regards, Rfrisbietalk 20:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC) Sorry Sorry about the accusation. I just didn't see the Admin on my page history. Do you know why they deleted the preteen box? loulou 21:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC) That's fine, it was an honest mistake. The admin's action didn't show up on your talk page. You have to look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_pre-teen and here [2] to see what happened. Not the easiest thing to follow, is it? Rfrisbietalk 21:13, 3 August 2006 (UTC) Just changed the wikilink to full URL to prevent your talk page from showing on What links here of deleted template.--Andeh 22:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC) Mistake Sorry about reverting your addition of a cat to Bhajan. However, may I point out that technically Bhajan is a Hindi term whereas Bhajana is the Sanskrit term. The meaning in each language is also slightly different. In Sanskrit it means worshipping God in general while in Hindi it is more specific, chanting/praising to God with a religious song. But I guess it is alright to have the cat because Bhajan is still derived from Sanskrit. GizzaChat © 13:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC) Thanks for the clarification. I'm not a Sanskrit scholar, so I only can go by what I've read here and there. English translations and spellings of Eastern words don't help much either, especially since so many Hindi and Urdu (?) words are derived from Sanskrit. Personally, I find the "a" present or absent at the end of many words, e.g., yog/yoga, to be so close in meaning, I almost always think of them as the same thing. As far of different meanings, I think of them like English words with subtle but different variations. Maybe you could add the spelling distinctions and meanings to the introductory paragraph of Bhajan. I've seen similar notes in other articles where this type of modern language derivation from Sanskrit applies. Thanks again. Regards, Rfrisbietalk 13:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC) Template:User Siamese owner You wrote: Bastique, Are you interested in moving this template to your userspace? I'm going to nominate Wikipedia:Userboxes/Pets for deletion. Rfrisbietalk 03:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC) While I'd certainly rather have the Userbox in my userspace rather than see it deleted, I'm completely befuddled as to the intent. Rule number one of WP:GUS clearly states If it ain't broke, don't fix it. In other words, there has never been a controversy regarding the nature of one's pets, why in the world is there a need to Userfy them? As an admin who has been privy to userbox conversations both on site and off, I've never heard of any issue with the pet userboxes. Why cause problems where there are none? Bastique▼parler voir 16:21, 6 August 2006 (UTC) Personally, I was opposed to the eviction of userboxes from template space altogether. However, that's not how things have played out. What I see from Wikipedia:Userboxes/Userbox location straw poll is an emerging consensus that, "What's good for the goose, is good for the gander." Interest userboxes generally are not seen as "hard-core" encyclopedic topics. Of the thousands of links I've redirected, very few users have objected. You have been one of the most notable exceptions. By putting Wikipedia:Userboxes/Pets up for deletion, we'll have a chance to see where the community stands at this point, particular since other pages already have been deleted. Rfrisbietalk 16:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC) Userbox Bypassing In the future DO NOT change anything on my main page. It is NOT Rfrisbie's Userspace, It is MINE! I take it as a violation, and do consider it vandalism! You shouldn't be doing it on my page, or anyone else's! Please see this regarding editing other users userpages. That being said (calming down) if you feel I need to change something, ask me first before barging into my house and rearranging my furniture. I do understand there is some crazy little controversy regarding Userboxes, and German Userboxes. However, I don't quite understand what the whole thing is about frankly, despite what this says.  — [Unsigned comment added by Z-vap (talk • contribs).] And to quote from User_pages#Ownership_and_editing_of_pages_in_the_user_space As a tradition, Wikipedia offers wide latitude to users to manage their user space as they see fit. However, pages in user space still do belong to the community. (emphasis added) I'm sorry you object to the userbox migration, but it is what it is. If I need to edit other userpages to move things forward, so be it. Rfrisbietalk 17:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC) Religion While, in general, I am AGAINST the GUS, I also concede the point about religion (and controversial politics, for that matter), as per Wikipedia:Jimbo on Userboxes. As such, to hopefully settle things down, and stop the continuing of moving/deletion of topical preference userboxes, I've been working on emptying Wikipedia:Userboxes/Religion. Religion only has 3 left, then we "could" nominate it for deletion. I've tagged all three for userification. - Jc37 09:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC) I moved the boxes. I'll redirect the links later. Rfrisbietalk 11:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC) This will make Wikipedia:Userboxes/Religion and Wikipedia:Userboxes/Regional Politics empty of user boxes. We need to find a friendly admins who might delete. : ) - Jc37 11:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Xaosflux and Cyde have been deleting boxes on request. Do you want to ask one of them? Rfrisbietalk 11:48, 7 August 2006 (UTC) As Cyde has been shown to, umm... let's say dislike, userboxes, I don't know if he's the one to ask. I don't know anything about xaosflux, except having seen the name at times. - Jc37 11:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC) That's why Cyde is so willing. Xaosflux hosts the sexuality directory and started Category talk:Wikipedia GUS userboxes. I'll ask Cyde first, after I do the redirects. It might be gone by then anyway. Thanks for working on this! Rfrisbietalk 11:57, 7 August 2006 (UTC) I think I want to make a userbox that is similar to: {{User:Blast san/userboxes/User ubx-night}}, something about being up all night working on userboxes : ) - Jc37 12:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Go for it!!! Rfrisbietalk 12:40, 7 August 2006 (UTC) I hope I'm not butting in here, but I just asked Cyde to delete those pages, before noticing this conversation. Good work, both of you. —Mira 13:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Okay, just for that, you have to bypass 3,289 more redirects! Rfrisbietalk 14:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! I'll get right to work. —Mira 14:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!! And take you pal, Jc37, with you! Rfrisbietalk 14:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Hey now, I only suggested that we talk about it : P (rofl) - Jc37 14:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Don't you think it's about time you learned how to use WP:AWB anyway? Rfrisbietalk 14:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC) I've looked at it before, but this quote: "The AutoWikiBrowser is a semi-automated Wikipedia editor for Microsoft Windows 2000/XP (or newer) designed to make tedious repetitive tasks quicker and easier. " - WP:AWB Stops me cold, since I have none of the above :( - Jc37 14:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Okay, just keep up the great work on what you've been doing and double...no double and a half MiraLuka's allotment! Rfrisbietalk 14:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC) (Just so that I can type 8 colons : ) and thanks... I've put waaay too much work into sorting/organising, etc. of the userboxes to just have them arbitrarliy userfied/deleted. - Jc37 14:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Template Btw, what do you think of Template:WP:UBS now? It's very well organized! Visually, I just wish it could be a little more horizontal and a little less vertical. Do you think it could spread out a little more like User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes/Nav and User:UBX/Userboxes/General Nav? Rfrisbietalk 15:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Look now : ) - Jc37 15:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Cool! I moved "time" up a line too. Rfrisbietalk 15:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Makes it look like it's US - Time - Jc37 15:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC) And now? Rfrisbietalk 15:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC) What about folding interests and life into one section? Rfrisbietalk 15:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Or... what about the combined topics in the userspace nav boxes? Rfrisbietalk 15:40, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Tried to answer several times, but you kept commenting : p It's much better than the dash, but why do we "have" to combine those lines? I don't think that scrunched is best, in this case... especially since this template will be on pages that are likely to be long anyway : ) - Jc37 15:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Okay, but I did squeeze some of the air out of the light rows. I've always been partial to that golden rectangle look. Rfrisbietalk 15:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC) That's not too bad, though just a "touch" more space between rows on the double lines would be nice : ) Since you were able to do that, splitting the time onto its own line again : ) - Jc37 16:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Bumped it up a notch. Rfrisbietalk 16:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC) (10 colons.. do I win? - rofl) And btw, looks great : ) - Jc37 16:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Yes! Rfrisbietalk 16:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Template:User Birding Hey Rfrisbie, I'm not quite that adept in wikipedia yet. I mostly just copy what I see other people do... I would love it if you would move my template over to your new system and make the changes on my userpage as well. Thanks! Careyjtalk 22:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Hi Careyj, Thanks. I just nominated the "Pets" userbox page for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Userboxes/Pets. Feel free to add your 2¢ worth there. It should take around eight days or so for a decision. If the page gets deleted, I'll go ahead and make the changes and let you know. If the page stays, I'll just leave the birding box where it is. Regards, Rfrisbietalk 01:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC) Humor Rather than repeat, please check out it's talk page : ) - Jc37 11:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC) Thanks. Rfrisbietalk 11:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC) Some help for a newbie? Hi! Came across you after you edited my userboxes section. I was wondering if you could clarify an issue for me: I am interested in other cultures and religions, so I put a couple of "This user is interested in..." type userboxes relating to religion on my userpage. And now I'm apparently Jewish and a Unitarian Universalist, despite being an agnostic (of little to no Jewish descent, either, from what I can tell). Yeah. Now, I have been perplexed by the take/policy on userboxes and userspace and whatever before, on Wikipedia. But this just takes the cake. Why should a userbox that LITERALLY says "Interested in" put you in the category of "belonging to" a religion? Why does it do that? What's going on? What's the meaning of life? (Sorry, got caught up in the moment. But seriously... what's going on with those things?) Because it can, because it said so, a lot of commotion, 43...but seriously, some userboxes have a category embedded in them. Some template pages show you when you look at them outright, others you have to "edit" to see the category. Take a look at User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes/Religion. You'll see some "Is a bla bla bla" and some "Is interested in bla bla bla." Anything I "userfied," I just moved as is. If you happen to pick an "Is interested in" box the puts you into an "Is a" category, let me know and I'll fix it. Rfrisbietalk 16:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC) I realize that apparently, the "belonging to" religion userboxes were changed because it was seen as POV (I'm of the opinion that members of a religion would know more about it than outsiders in a lot of cases, and that it should be allowed under the same policy that allows userboxes that proclaim a profession or degree of expertize or fluency level in a particular language, but hey, what do I know?). I still am absolutely dumbfounded, however, to discover they were changed to "Interested in". There is a HUGE difference between being "interested in" something and actually BELONGING to it. More than you think! Rfrisbietalk 16:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC) Anyway, is there any way to fix this? I don't want people asking me about religions I know very little about, but I do want to state an interest in them on my userpage. What's going on? :\ Yes. Life. See above. Rfrisbietalk 16:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC) On another note, I've been working a lot on the fan fiction article lately (to the point where I had a semi-nightmare last night about anon users messing up the pages I'd worked so hard on, heh), and it grew into such a monstrously huge article that we've seperated a couple of sections out into other articles, one of which is Fan fiction terminology. Would it have been better to title the page Glossary of fan fiction terms? Should I create a redirect under that, maybe, so that somebody doesn't create a second redundant article or something? Sure, why not? ← rhetorical question. No, just "move" Fan fiction terminology to Glossary of fan fiction terms. That automatically will move the history and talk, plus create a redirect from the old page to the new page. Rfrisbietalk 16:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC) Also: I found out that Raisinets redirects to Chocolate-coated raisin, despite the fact that it's a well-known registered trademark for a particular BRAND of chocolate-coated raisin. I have no idea how to fix this. :\ There's enough info in chocolate-coated raisin for a stub on Raisinets, but what do I do about the redirect? Just edit over it (delete the redirect) and add the stub info to Raisinets. Rfrisbietalk 16:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC) Signed, a Newbie. [ Runa27 15:50, 8 August 2006 (UTC) ] Hi Runa27! Point #1: Wikipedia is messy! Point #2: I'll take a stab at replies under your questions. Rfrisbietalk 16:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC) Template: User Genesius of Rome I've created a userbox which you may want to include on your religious page. It is one about Genesius of Rome, the patron saint of comedians and actors, which I originally created for the comedy userbox page. To see the userbox, see User Genesius of Rome. ISD 18:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC) Hi ISD! Thanks for the info. You're more than welcome to add any new userboxes yourself. Just put them where you think they would fit best. Regards, Rfrisbietalk 17:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC) WikiProject Narnia Hello, I noticed that you edited an article related to, or expressed interest in The Chronicles of Narnia. I thought you may be interested in knowing that there is a WikiProject working to improve articles about Narnia, your help would be greatly appreciated. Please consider joining the WikiProject Narnia. Thank you! Bornagain4 18:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC) Userboxes Could you tell me how to create userboxes?--KojiDude 06:15, 10 August 2006 (UTC) Hi KojiDude, take a look at Designing a userbox for the basics. You also can just pick a box you like for the design and then just adapt the code to make your new box. Because of WP:GUS, probably the best place to put any boxes you make is something like "User:KojiDude/Userbox/Boxname". You can post your boxes at User:GRBerry/Userbox migration. Let me know if you have any other questions. Good luck! Rfrisbietalk 11:46, 10 August 2006 (UTC) Re: Show/Hide display tip Hello, Rfrisbie. I've been wondering the same thing myself, actually, but I have yet to come across an instance where the default is set to "Show" in "NavContent". Maybe you'll have better luck at the help desk if you haven't tried asking there already. Sorry I couldn't be of much help; hope you get it figured out soon! Regards, Sango123 18:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC) The Help desk was part of that "high and low" I mentioned, but to no avail. I thought this tip [3] would work, but it didn't. Thanks anyway. Rfrisbietalk 18:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC) Nevermind. Rfrisbietalk 20:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC) Awesome. :D Thanks, Sango123 23:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC) WP:UBX talk pages Hey, I was just thinking, (bad idea, I know ) and I wondering if you'd be interested in moving some of the orphaned userbox directory pages (like Wikipedia talk:Userboxes/Religion) to the talk pages of your userbox directories. Just an idea, let me know what you think. —Mira 06:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC) I'm very surprised they were still there...and it worked! I moved pages to User talk:Rfrisbie/Userboxes/Beliefs, User talk:Rfrisbie/Userboxes/Political Parties, User talk:Rfrisbie/Userboxes/Regional Politics, and User talk:Rfrisbie/Userboxes/Religion. I didn't do any bypassing though. Any others? Thanks for "thinking"! Rfrisbietalk 09:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC) Wikipedia talk:Userboxes/Colors comes to mind. —Mira 19:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)Never mind, looks like that one got deleted. Wonder why that and not the others. —Mira 19:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC) Do you know if it ever had a talk history? I don't. Rfrisbietalk 20:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC) It looks like the real location was at Wikipedia talk:Userboxes/Colours, and I have no idea what was there, but there must have been something, since Cyde deleted it. —Mira 21:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC) I asked Xaosflux to make the move, if it's woth it. Rfrisbietalk 00:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Actually, now that I look more closely, there's also Wikipedia talk:Userboxes/Personality. I'll ask Xaosflux to move it as well. —Mira 05:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC) P.S. As long as I'm here, I have to say that I really like both your tabbed user page and the new nav template you made for your userbox pages. —Mira 06:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Thanks for checking the talk pages, and...anything to improve the encyclopedia! Rfrisbietalk 12:53, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Of course. —Mira 19:21, 12 August 2006 (UTC) User Page of Pradeep Hi there ! Thanks for the edit of 17:02, 11 August 2006 (UTC).Pradeep 17:02, 11 August 2006 (UTC) You're welcome. Rfrisbietalk 20:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC) Userboxes subpages There has been a lot of work on the subpages of WIkipedia:Userboxes. Do you think User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes's subpages could be updated to reflect this? - Jc37 01:09, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Sure. Since you have been doing the lion's share of the work on that, feel free to make any updates you think are needed. They still are community pages, even though they are in user space. Regards, Rfrisbietalk 01:26, 12 August 2006 (UTC) User talk:Rfrisbie:Userboxes/Colours Moved. — xaosflux Talk 01:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Thanks, even though I misspelled the page name! I moved it again, to User talk:Rfrisbie/Userboxes/Colours. Rfrisbietalk 01:20, 12 August 2006 (UTC) NP, I killed the bad redirects. — xaosflux Talk 01:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Rfrisbietalk 01:27, 12 August 2006 (UTC) List of Userboxes I found that list, but since it was so old, I decided to make a new one... manually... (I should have mentioned this to someone before, so that they could talk me out of it : ) Sooo, several hours of typing/pasting/etc later... They aren't a "huge" mess... but some observations: 1.) We should have a better or clearer naming convention, or something. There is no standard to capitalising the first word after "User " (it's about 50% lower/upper case). This also means that there are many hundreds of userboxes that are listed twice, once with an uppercase second word, and once with the lower case second word (though more than a few are redirects). several userboxes have a dash (-) or NO space between "User" and the first word. greek, russian, etc. letters in the name. the use of punctuation, such as "/" "," "..." etc. 2.) Several appear to be attempts to make userified templates. I'll work on moving those to each user's userspace. 3.) Many (very many) religion/politics ones are "back" in template space, it would appear that they just apparently "accidentally" haven't been added to the Userboxes sub-pages. 4.) there are more userbox redirects than the number of userboxes on a single subpage : ) 5.) Oh, quantity of userboxes = 10027 (though that includes redirects, and 118 templates that have "user" as the initial word (though some of those have "userbox" as the first word). So it's roughly 10 thousand userboxes in template space. ouch. Can I run away screaming now? : ) - Jc37 13:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Is that all ya got?! But seriously, Jc37...what are you, RoboJc37?!!! That's such a great job!!! Why don't you post it at Wikipedia talk:Userboxes or some place like that? Some questions/comments. Where did you put the list? I doubt such a "non-sanctioned" group of pages ever will have tight naming conventions, especially in userspace. I expect the best we'll have is some related boxes will use a given convention. Some folks even made proper nouns lower case to force a convention. Hmmm? Different capitalizations of the same word often mean "competing" box styles, or just variations. The (-) and "no" in names usually means "against." Make sure you check with someone to get their okay before you move a box into their userspace. If they support the idea but don't want the box in their space, go ahead and use User:Rfrisbie/Userbox/Blablabla. If the religion box resurrection is deliberate, the Category:Wikipedia GUS userboxes should eventually catch up to it. Ditto for redirects. See Category talk:Wikipedia GUS userboxes/Completed. Apparently, we don't have enough userboxes yet! Okay, running and screaming now authorized...scissors optional! Rfrisbietalk 13:38, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Check out: User_talk:Lady_Aleena#List_of_Userboxes‎ for some examples. - Jc37 14:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC) examples are wikified now (and wow do I cringe at wikifying 10,000...) - Jc37 14:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Okay, I think that sort of thing is fine for "themed" userboxes, but I think the "messy" ones are fine too. I've made some comments about that at User talk:Lady Aleena/Userboxes/Allies. Rfrisbietalk 14:46, 12 August 2006 (UTC) well. I totally did not understand that response at all : ) could you clarify what you're talking about? I also checked that link, and still didn't understand. (as a help, try defining "that sort of thing".) - Jc37 14:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC) e.g., naming conventions, parameters, meta:ParserFunctions, and anything else intended to "wikify" userboxes. I just think they'll always be "messy" because that's their true nature. :-) Rfrisbietalk 14:57, 12 August 2006 (UTC) I meant "wikify" as to mean that I added brackets and the word "template:" to what I had listed, so that you could click on them : p As for "messy"... If that was true, why the attempt to add the word : "User" at the start? Sounds like a naming convention to me : ) That said, I wasn't condemning the examples, merely showing examples, to see what others thought : ) And as for adding the list somewhere... should I try? it's over 10k names. Is that too long of a page? I also don't want to be the cause of another controversy, if you understand. Detailed thoughts on this would be appreciated. : ) - Jc37 15:08, 12 August 2006 (UTC) I guess we're just talking about "degrees" of naming conventions. "Template:User..." is pretty clear in templatespace. Some have tried other, more specific conventions, with varying degree of success. Wikipedia:List of userboxes has 953 names (112 Kb). That's over a ten-fold expansion! I guess that sounds a bit too large for a wikipage. Since it's not an automated list, my main concerns are how would you (or anyone) keep it up-to-date, and how would it help to manage the userboxes if it isn't accurate (realtively speaking)? Is the effort worth the cost? For now, I'd just keep it on your own and decide how useful it is to you before you add it here somewhere. Rfrisbietalk 15:24, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Speaking of said controversy... I've been re-reading "some" (it's quite voluminous) of the information about the previous "war" (since I apaprently missed it). This link is is to a comment that apparently started it all. (Well, a specific admin's actions based on interpretation of that comment, actually.) I thought you might find it a useful read. mail] - Jc37 15:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Thanks, that looks vaguely familiar. Have you seen Wikipedia:Jimbo on Userboxes and Category:Wikipedia userbox discussions? I missed the first wave or so myself. I started getting into it around May, then got into WP:GUS when Jimbo basically suggested that was the way to go. May 27, 2006 The middle ground is to let people do as they will in the user space, and merely use reason and argument to teach people over time why one ought not use Wikipedia userpages for political or other campaigns.... while at the same time saying, no, really, the template namespace is not for that, that we do not endorse this behavior. This is the solution that the Germans have put into effect with great results. It seems to have calmed things down quite a bit. Rfrisbietalk 15:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Part of my point/concern is that SO many people are quoting WP:GUS as the reason for moving the userboxes, when it states clearly at the top of that page that it's not a policy. And that the apparent concerns were "controversial" userboxes and advocacies, not ALL userboxes. Even the admin I metioned above wasn't attempting that. So now that the discussion on pets is closed, and even though it was "no concensus", the automatic reaction was to userfy? I thought no concensus meant to "leave it alone"? - Jc37 16:26, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Just in the sense of "don't delete throught that process." WP:GUS is it's own "process". I'm already in the middle of more "userfying/ GUSifying"! Rfrisbietalk 16:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC) By the way, two more points to keep in mind...the fact that very little active opposition to userfying takes place any more and the Userbox location straw poll suggest an emerging consensus that GUS applies well beyond controversial boxes. For example, no one really said, "Bring those pets back to templatespace! Now!" Rfrisbietalk There is very little comment at all.. note the difference between the hundreds back in January, and the dozen now. Not to mention that "pets" was a rather minor category. In re-reading the comments, I would differ with the statement that no one was interested in userboxes staying in template space. It was just that this was "pets". - Jc37 19:08, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Things are slowing down, but more will move. I'm moving zodiac boxes because they're related to religion and beliefs. I don't have any particular moving plans after that. I know Cyde wants media boxes out. I haven't noticed any big pushes on anything in particular lately. Rfrisbietalk 19:38, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Border Do you have some automatic thing that adjusts the border on your user page/talk page? - Jc37 14:38, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Yeah, it's called snoop, steal, copy, paste, type, type, type... Do you have something in mind? Rfrisbietalk 14:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC) lol, oh ok, it's just your timing was such that after every time I posted here, I would look at my watchlist, and would see "border" : ) - Jc37 14:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Userfied Pets Hi, That was fast! :) To what new location did they go, out of curiosity? On the principle of two heads being better than one, I won't do the speedy myself, but I'm sure an admin who wants the page gone (eg. User:Cyde), will gladly do it for you, and may have already. Best wishes, Xoloz 16:18, 12 August 2006 (UTC) That was just a courtesy call - giving you the first right of refusal. My boxes go to User:Rfrisbie/Userbox. The pets are linked at User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes/Pets. I usually ask Cyde or Xaosflux to delete stuff. I'm in the middle of WP:AWBing them right now, except for Template:User Siamese owner which Bastique seems to "own." I left him a message. Rfrisbietalk 16:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Wikipedia:Userboxes/Pets Would this be a candidate to move to someones WP:GUS area, it has a lot of history, and a talk page. — xaosflux Talk 19:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC) NM, found it in your userspace, I've migrated the history to your pages history. — xaosflux Talk 19:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Thanks. Rfrisbietalk 19:32, 12 August 2006 (UTC)