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List of Hindu temples in the United States

Hello Ram1751 I was wondering if you would consider downsizing the files and have them centered, like here for example. I would do it myself, but am not very familiar with these kind of class="wikitable". Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 16:20, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Lotje, I don't have the time right now, but maybe later. BTW your layout wikitable edit is fine, but the Notes column is unnecessary. The notability topic, of which this is a leftover, has been resolved and closed on the Talk page. Ram1751 (talk) 01:45, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Lotje, thank you for your edits. While you are making them, if you could remove all the red links, that would greatly improve this article. Thank you. Ram1751 (talk) 17:35, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Lotje, I notice the lead now says, "This is a list of Hindu temples, centers, and ashrams in the United States, which number 0 as of 2021." I believe the '0' result may be related to your layout wikitable edit. Do you know how to fix this? Thank you. Ram1751 (talk) 03:13, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Ram1751 going through the history of the article, this is where it went from 890 as of 2021 to 72 as of 2021 and finaly to 0 as of 2021. That I know now, but how to fix this? Trying to figure that out. If need be, I'll have to ask for help at the Teahouse, or do you have another, better idea? Thanks and so sorry for this. Lotje (talk) 05:26, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Lotje, sorry, I don't have any ideas. Thanks for your effort! Ram1751 (talk) 05:32, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Found out what I did wrong. I'll fix 1 for now and Lotje (talk) 05:34, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

The thing is, when I start adding the territory abbreviations to the differente states (like class="wikitable sortable" id="tableTempleWikiAR" style="width:73% for Arizona) the problem with the images creeps up again, so, I am stucked this time. Lotje (talk) 06:05, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done (I hope) Lotje (talk) 06:56, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

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Hi, just a note to say that we need to be extremely careful with primary sources here; the organisation's website and books have a clear promotional intent. We should use them only to establish basic facts, and even there we really need to use independent (secondary) sources. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:01, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Could you please stop your slow-motion edit-warring and discuss things properly please. I have a) explained the reasons to you, b) started a talk page discussion, and c) invited you to join it. It is not acceptable to keep on sniping from the sidelines, removing important facts and so breaking the sense of the article, all without actually either contributing anything or even joining in the dialogue. We can freely discuss the form of words, but frankly there is no doubt whatever given the multiple sources provided that the ashram in South Fallsburg was downsided and the crowds that used to visit there and in Ganeshpuri diminished.

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Thanks for fixing (by removing) the statement I had added at List of Hindu temples in the United States. Right, it did not belong ... I put it in quickly based mostly on its title and was expecting to refine it, but I had another editing task to continue with first and I was distracted and didn't get back ... obviously I had not properly read the source. Sorry about that, and thank you for fixing it.

Okay, then, I am not sure, but I think it could be a useful source to provide some statement in an overview section of List of Hindu temples in India, or in a different article. Perhaps you might comment at Talk:List of Hindu temples in India#overview section, including a statement re TTD (which i opened)? BTW, as I mention there, I visited one large temple in Andhra Pradesh to which many Hindus go on pilgrimages (on a trip when I went to a wedding in Visakhapatnam), but I haven't yet figured out which one that was, out of the Andhra Pradesh ones listed there.

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My pleasure.

I've fixed the lead in List of Hindu temples in India and commented in its talk page. Ram1751 (talk) 20:50, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for both of those things. This is out of my knowledge area, obviously.

By the way, glancing at the Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams article, I interested to see that, when it was formed at least (in 1932 or so) it had Madras government staff/funding. Not so much separation of church and state as in the U.S.!

About that article, 1) maybe you could fix its lede?, and 2) maybe it would make sense to list their temples in a section in that article? (organized by state and union territory)

The lede currently states

"TTD is an independent trust which manages the temples including the Tirumala Venkateswara Temple in Andhra Pradesh."

That cannot be exactly correct, it does not manage all temples of every religion in Andhra Pradesh. I'm focusing on the usage of definite article "the". That it "manages the temples" could be changed to "manages some temples". Or, better, manages all or some of the temples in Andhra Pradesh that are dedicated to the Venkateswara form of Vishnu. Or that it manages about 58 or whatever number temples dedicated to Venkateswara around India and elsewhere?

And 3) there's another correction needed for the statement in List of Hindu temples in India. I wrote confidently-like that there were 28 states and 2 UTs to go, but was not positive about those counts, i.e. would those be before or after the one opened in Jammu recently, or would that be after they finish several in progress that were mentioned. I do figure it would be possible to be much clearer if there was a list-table in that article, organized by state/UT. But actually, now at States and union territories of India i see there are in fact only 28 states and 8 union territories in total, so my interpretation was outright wrong. Could you possibly fix that?

I'm sorry to have caused bother, if this is bother to you, but I am hoping you'd just like to fix some obvious problems and that you are capable where I am not.

thanks, --Doncram (talk,contribs) 00:18, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Doncram, no bother at all. Regarding Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams, note the Madras Presidency was in British India in 1932, so laws governing church/state separation were likely different in the colony.

I don't know if I have the bandwidth to fix its lead. I notice the article has other issues, like potential original research throughout - a template may help. I agree listing their temples in the article would improve it. A complete list appears to be here: https://www.tirumala.org/MoreTemples.aspx

Regarding the Hindu temples list, it looks like you fixed the lead.

Appreciate the outreach! Ram1751 (talk) 20:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

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Ram I've seen your changes in Sandesh but it's not any promotional edit, it's stupid to use Indian subcontinent as country 126.78.37.227 (talk) 07:48, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

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