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Request for standard semi-protection
Hi,
Bit of a saturation we've been dealing with today on Trebuchet (I'm about to leave you alone I'm afraid)
Since we seem to have fallen out the "infrequently edited" category, I've asked if we can have temporary semi-protection for a while before returning to pending changes. Nosebagbear (talk) 00:19, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
July 2018
Your recent editing history at Trebuchet shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
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{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:27, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
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Request reason:
Requesting unblock for getting involved in an edit war with a malicious anonymous editor who repeatedly and consistently removed content and replaced it with extremely biased interpretations (often misinterpretations or outright lies) of their own interpretations. The said anonymous user with IP 198.46.126.2 also used several different recently created accounts as well as IPs to support his edits. These include but are not limited to accounts and IPs under the name of Nova1Nova1, Sosa97, 66hester, 140.161.192.56. 108.35.224.118. The said user's history consists of almost nothing but malicious removal of material without explanation on pages (RSM-56 Bulava, Hongyipao, Trebuchet, and Harpy Eagle) without explanation. When problems with his sources and added content were pointed out, such as not supporting his argument and the usage of a pay gated news article in preference to a peer reviewed academic monograph and removed ("Cited source not accessible. Pay gated book. NY Times is accessible"), he consistently reverted the changes and gave fallacious reasons for doing so, ultimately not even bothering to explain his reasoning. The user made zero contributions of substance and only removed and negatively altered material contributed by other users. He has been warned MULTIPLE times by several users: Denverj, Denisarona, Nosbagbear, Elmidae, and Sonicwave. I regret my protracted reversions to his edits, but fully believe they were for the better of the quality of wikipedia. Qiushufang (talk) 23:17, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Decline reason:
This almost exclusively talks about actions of other users. If you wish to be unblocked, you have to talk about your actions, not those of other users. We need to be convinced you understand WP:EW and convinced that you won't violated it again. WP:GAB explains how to craft an unblock request. Yamla (talk) 00:00, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
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Request reason:
I have no prior history of edit warring except with this one user, who has had two previous blocks, and up to five warnings judging by his talk page. I admit I was wrong to engage with him in a war of reverts. The frustration got to my head and rather than ignoring him until admin action or otherwise I reverted his edits immediately. I won't be engaging with him again on any level in the future or in any edit wars. My contribution history shows that I have made over 1000 edits and written content based on academically peer reviewed texts with author date publisher citations for the last two or so months without running into any problem or arguments with other users. This is what I hope to continue doing and I don't see why I should be so heavily punished for essentially reverting vandalism.Qiushufang (talk) 08:28, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Accept reason:
See below. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:21, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
@Ivanvector: Unusually in my experience, this user went from a bad first unblock request to a good second unblock request. It addresses the concerns I have. Given the above unblock request, do you as blocking administrator have any objection to me lifting the block? --Yamla (talk) 13:14, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Yamla: thank you for seeking my input, but I am not yet satisfied.
- @Qiushufang: I would like you to have a look at the edit warring policy, especially the section titled Handling of edit-warring behaviours. Then, please reply here what you will do differently the next time you encounter an editor disruptively reverting your edits. Thanks. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:22, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- I've read the section. Next time I encounter such an editor I will limit myself to only one revert. If the problems with the material cannot be resolved through the edit summary I'll move to discussing it on the talk page to seek further resolution and consensus making. If communication doesn't work and comments by other users fail to change the editor's behavior, then a warning on their talk page may be relevant. If all else fails then I'll request for page protection rather than becoming further directly involved in the dispute. Qiushufang (talk) 15:40, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you, these are all good ideas. I'm unblocking you with trust that you understand the policy and will avoid edit wars in the future. Remember that you can use WP:AN3 to report instances of edit warring to administrators, or use WP:AIV if a user is clearly just editing disruptively. If you cannot work out an editorial issue with another editor you can also try dispute resolution. If you need help, please feel free to ask myself directly, or use a tool such as {{admin help}} or WP:ANI (as a last resort!) to get attention from an administrator. @Yamla: courtesy ping. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:21, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- I've read the section. Next time I encounter such an editor I will limit myself to only one revert. If the problems with the material cannot be resolved through the edit summary I'll move to discussing it on the talk page to seek further resolution and consensus making. If communication doesn't work and comments by other users fail to change the editor's behavior, then a warning on their talk page may be relevant. If all else fails then I'll request for page protection rather than becoming further directly involved in the dispute. Qiushufang (talk) 15:40, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
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Niccolo de' Conti article size difference of ships ===
Qiushufang, before you undo the changes to the article, please read what the referenced source actually says. There is a link to the actual text of the article, and it does say "butts", not tons. A butt is half a ton, so the source actually referenced has Conti saying the ships are half the size that the article says they are, and it misquotes the article when it uses "tons" instead of "butts". I know that the source Needham used was based on an Elizabethan writer translation, and did say tonnes. Since there are different translations, we should make the reader aware of those differences. You can discuss your view in the "Talk" section of the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.111.162.10 (talk) 01:43, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
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Hi Qiushufang, thanks for creating the articles for the Chanyus of Xiongnu! However, could you please slow down and perform some basic error checking? I've had to spend hours fixing the numerous errors in your articles, such as wrong Chinese names and wrong spellings. Some errors are common such as mistaking 鞮 di as ti, but others are really out of whack like Wuji Shizhu Houti for Wujihoushizhudi, and Wanshi Shizhu Houti for Wanshishizhudi. Wikipedia is not a race to create poorly written, error-strewn stubs. Please slow down and make sure your articles at least meet minimum quality standards. Best regards, -Zanhe (talk) 23:27, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
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Imperial Examination Foonote
Hi Qiuchufang;
Much admiration and many thanks for your work on "Imperial Examination." You have made it a much richer and more informative page.
I do have a suggestion for the format of the notes, howwever, some of which you inherited. There is a lot of flexibility, but one format suugested at WP:CT WP:CITESHORT and Help Shortened footnotes for an entry in the Bibliography can be {{cite|last = |first = |title = |year = |place = |publisher =| ISBN = | ref = harv}} , which can be footnoted {{sfnb|author|year| p =}}
You can see this in the Miyazaki notes, for instance.
If you don't want to reference a book in the Bibliography, make it "ref = none." The form for a group volume, such as the Cambridge History, is {{encyclopedia|....}} for instance:
- {{encyclopedia|volume= Volume 11, Part 2 Late Ch'ing, 1800-1911|title = The Cambridge History of China |chapter = Currents of Social Change| |author-first = Marianne|author-last= Bastid-Bruguire| |editor=John King Fairbank, Kwang-Ching Liu, Denis Crispin Twitchett|edition= ||url= https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Cambridge_History_of_China/pEfWaxPhdnIC?hl=en&gbpv=1 |year=1980| accessdate=|location=|page=|isbn=0-521-22029-7|publisher=Cambridge University Press}}, p[https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Cambridge_History_of_China/pEfWaxPhdnIC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=examinations p. 564]
Which produces:
- Bastid-Bruguire, Marianne (1980). "Currents of Social Change". In John King Fairbank, Kwang-Ching Liu, Denis Crispin Twitchett (ed.). The Cambridge History of China. Vol. Volume 11, Part 2 Late Ch'ing, 1800–1911. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-22029-7.
{{cite encyclopedia}}:|volume=has extra text (help); Cite has empty unknown parameters:|1=,|2=, and|3=(help)CS1 maint: multiple names: editors list (link), pp. 564
One advantage is that the notes are neater to look at, with no repetitions, but also that the reader can more easily see the range of sources by looking in the Bibliography.
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Hello. Please read WP:OR and stop making own free interpretations of what sources say or mean, such as in these edits. A wheellock is a complicated, and for it's time very advanced, mechanism with many parts, not just a "steel wheel", so you can not claim that a source mentioning a "steel wheel" refers to a wheelock (in your edit summary you even said that it was "exactly what the source said", but it's not). I have sofar only looked at a few of your edits, but the ones I looked at gave me the impression that you, in your obvious passion for promoting Chinese inventions and technology, allow yourself to freely interpret what sources, in this case Needham's work (which has been criticised for not being neutral...), may have meant, which isn't just not acceptable but a clear violation of the rules here. And please explain how you could interpret the Chinese characters for "Weiyuan Cannon" as meaning "powerful long-range cannon". - Tom | Thomas.W talk 19:19, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- When I first wrote "possibly" of wheellock design I did it because I too was skeptical of its existence, so in fact I was interpreting it skepticism if nothing else. Needham's text is far more explicit in the existence of the wheellock as a form of trap or trigger mechanism in 14th century China. I actually toned down the absolute tone of the text from the start due to my skepticism. The translation from Weiyuan comes directly from Needham's text. 威 in Chinese means something like awe inspiring or powerful and 遠 simply means far. It's not hard to see where "awe inspiring" or "long range" cannon might come about as a direct translation. As far as I know it is not the name of a place, but again, I'm just typing out what Needham is writing. Qiushufang (talk) 19:31, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- a) A wheellock isn't a "trap or trigger mechanism" but a mechanism that produces sparks to ignite the powder (the trigger mechanism is a separate invention, much older than not only the wheellock but also firearms, being commonly used with crossbows long before then), and b) since there are several locations in China named Weiyuan (including at least one major fort) it's much more probable that it refers to a geographical location by that name than the very farfetched character-for-character translation provided by you and/or Needham. Especially since there were no "powerful long-range cannon" in the 14th Century, anywhere in the world, because power and long range require high pressure, which in turn requires a cylindrical barrel that fits closely around the bullet/projectile, not a vase-shaped cannon like the ones used in both Europe and China at that time (and is what the drawing of the "Weiyuan Cannon" shows...). - Tom | Thomas.W talk 20:59, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- I don't understand your hangup on "weiyuan" in particular. Long range is obviously contextual to the time period and place. It's entirely possible that whatever attributes it displayed were seen as "long range" in China at the time. Should names like "nest of bees" arrow launcher be changed too because the device is not actually a nest of bees launching bees? It just comes down to the Needham translation which is what I used as this is an encyclopedia. I have not been able to find any other published source of Chinese arms providing detailed info on individual pieces or illustrations. Unless there is another source providing another translation for it, I'm not sure what you want me to do. Needham also goes much more in depth on the "steel wheel" mechanism describing it making sparks to ignite the powder, and is much more explicit about its similarities to the wheellock in Europe. By your definition, isn't that a wheel lock? I've changed it to the more ambiguous "steel wheel", which is mentioned in a direct passage of the Huolongjing. Unless there is another translation for the trigger mechanism, which I have not been able to find any, I'm not sure what you want me to do. Qiushufang (talk) 21:34, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- A steel disc/wheel "producing sparks" could be, and most probably would be, a fire striker used for lighting a fuse (if wheellocks had been invented in China how come they were never used for arquebuses or cannon there, there weren't even any of the more primitive matchlocks in China until introduced by the Portuguese in the 16th Century...), so unless the source explicitly says it was a wheellock you cannot add that to the article. Period. I currently don't have access to Needham's work, to check what the source really says, but I intend to try to get my hands on the books, because I have a feeling that there's a lot of "free interpretation" and exaggeration in the material you're adding. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 11:01, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- I don't understand your hangup on "weiyuan" in particular. Long range is obviously contextual to the time period and place. It's entirely possible that whatever attributes it displayed were seen as "long range" in China at the time. Should names like "nest of bees" arrow launcher be changed too because the device is not actually a nest of bees launching bees? It just comes down to the Needham translation which is what I used as this is an encyclopedia. I have not been able to find any other published source of Chinese arms providing detailed info on individual pieces or illustrations. Unless there is another source providing another translation for it, I'm not sure what you want me to do. Needham also goes much more in depth on the "steel wheel" mechanism describing it making sparks to ignite the powder, and is much more explicit about its similarities to the wheellock in Europe. By your definition, isn't that a wheel lock? I've changed it to the more ambiguous "steel wheel", which is mentioned in a direct passage of the Huolongjing. Unless there is another translation for the trigger mechanism, which I have not been able to find any, I'm not sure what you want me to do. Qiushufang (talk) 21:34, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- a) A wheellock isn't a "trap or trigger mechanism" but a mechanism that produces sparks to ignite the powder (the trigger mechanism is a separate invention, much older than not only the wheellock but also firearms, being commonly used with crossbows long before then), and b) since there are several locations in China named Weiyuan (including at least one major fort) it's much more probable that it refers to a geographical location by that name than the very farfetched character-for-character translation provided by you and/or Needham. Especially since there were no "powerful long-range cannon" in the 14th Century, anywhere in the world, because power and long range require high pressure, which in turn requires a cylindrical barrel that fits closely around the bullet/projectile, not a vase-shaped cannon like the ones used in both Europe and China at that time (and is what the drawing of the "Weiyuan Cannon" shows...). - Tom | Thomas.W talk 20:59, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- When I first wrote "possibly" of wheellock design I did it because I too was skeptical of its existence, so in fact I was interpreting it skepticism if nothing else. Needham's text is far more explicit in the existence of the wheellock as a form of trap or trigger mechanism in 14th century China. I actually toned down the absolute tone of the text from the start due to my skepticism. The translation from Weiyuan comes directly from Needham's text. 威 in Chinese means something like awe inspiring or powerful and 遠 simply means far. It's not hard to see where "awe inspiring" or "long range" cannon might come about as a direct translation. As far as I know it is not the name of a place, but again, I'm just typing out what Needham is writing. Qiushufang (talk) 19:31, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- There's a detailed description of how the "steel wheel method" works in Needham's "Science and civilisation in China":
"It consisted of a couple of steel wheels, presumably serrated, fixed on a single axle and so placed as to rest on flints. A cord wound round a drum on the axle was attached to a weight at one end, and the mechanism kept in position by a pin. When the pin was removed by an unwary enemy stepping on a piece of board or plank attached to it, the pin released the weight, with the result that the wheels produced sparks by rubbing against the flints, thus lighting the fuses and setting off the mines."
. Showing that it had nothing to do with a compact spring-loaded trigger-activated wheellock, as you tried to make readers believe in your edit, but was only a rather refined fire starter. It's not on the page you gave as reference, either, but on page 199, and not in connection with firing off "fire arrows" but setting off mines, there's also no mention of "divine fire arrows screen" in Needham's book, showing that you pick a little here and a little there and combine it to suit your taste, which is a schoolbook example of syntheses of published sources, and totally forbidden here. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 20:17, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- I found the illustration of the box of rockets, on page 487, but all it says is
"Oblong-section rectangular rocket-launcher, with all the rockets ignited and sent on their way by one fuse."
, with no mention of the "steel-wheel method" or any other explanation for how the fuse was ignited. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 20:28, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- I found the illustration of the box of rockets, on page 487, but all it says is
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說中文嗎？
你說不說中文？我用中文跟你說比較快。Ironbolt (talk) 22:42, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
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I came across a map you brilliantly made in 2018 (File:Historical_xinjiang.png), which is very helpful in Wikipedia articles related to ancient history. Because a map legend is not provided, I would like to confirm the meanings of the labels with you before using it in articles. What do the numbers (e.g. "180"), "blue circles", "red circles", "half-blue half-red circles" and "black rhombus" refer to? Thank you for your help.Lovewhatyoudo (talk) 02:57, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
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Your edit war
Hi. You defend the addition of Gabor Agoston and the other sources, so you provide their contents in full on talk page. I already provided you the true quote plus page number in my summaries three days ago. Consider this the last warning. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 23:46, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- I am waiting for your quotes. If you are so sure that you are quoting them correctly, what makes you hesitate? Gun Powder Ma (talk) 23:53, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
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Apparently Gun Powder Ma thinks we're the same person now
Hi Qiushufang, might want to defend yourself here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Qiushufang ArchimedesTheInventor (talk) 12:46, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
On the Wheelbarrow
I won't join in on the wheelbarrow discussion with Gun Powder Ma considering Gun Powder Ma already accused us as the same person. However you can read about Lewis' article here: https://www.jstor.org/stable/3106255?read-now=1&seq=4#page_scan_tab_contents Note that on pg 456 Lewis said:
- I will use "handbarrow" to mean a framework for goods, with shafts or handles at either end, carried by two men (fig. 4); "wheelbarrow" will mean any vehicle with a single wheel; "handcart" a vehicle with two wheels of some size, operated by manpower; "cart" and "wagon", respectively, two-and four-wheeled vehicles with animal traction.
By that definition of a wheelbarrow, a "one-wheeler" trailer such as these would also be a wheelbarrow:
So I would agree with Lewis when he said that the monokyklos one-wheeler as recorded in the Eleusis list was a 'wheebarrow' if we use Lewis' definition, but I think the author reaches too far when he said that the monokyklos was "necessarily guided and balanced by a man". One only needs to look at the pictures above to see that a one-wheeler could easily be attached to a two-wheeler or four-wheeler in the form of a trailer, and if it's just a one-wheeled trailer then although it would be a wheelbarrow by Lewis' definition, most people would not be calling it a wheelbarrow as people would think of wheelbarrows as something directly guided by a single person. Of course, this is original research and cannot be put into the main article.
You may also want to mention in the administrator's edit warring page that Gun Powder Ma's accusation against you is false. Gun Powder Ma made it sound like you deleted the parts which stated that the Greeks "may" have invented the wheelbarrow. From what I'm seeing you didn't delete that, you merely put it further down the article, probably because the evidence of ancient Greek wheelbarrows is speculative as of now. The link he provided to "prove" his accusation might seem correct for administrators at first glance, because they'll need to scroll down in the link to see that you didn't delete the section, you merely put further down in the article. ArchimedesTheInventor (talk) 09:50, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
April 2020
Hello, I'm CFCF. I noticed that you made an edit concerning content related to a living (or recently deceased) person, but you didn't support your changes with a citation to a reliable source, so I removed it. Wikipedia has a very strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate and clear. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you! Carl Fredrik talk 08:26, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
- Is there anything particularly unreliable about CTV? I mean it has direct quotes from the person. Or are news networks are not considered appropriate for living person? Qiushufang (talk) 08:28, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
- Primarily we shouldn't be including the names of living persons who are not publicly known. While the source isn't especially inappropriate, it is far from strong enough to establish WP:notability, and we could likely not add that information to the article based on any single media mention. Carl Fredrik talk 08:46, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
Hunan201p edits and the gallery should be removed
No need to argue about the gallery. Those pictures and Hunan201p edits should be removed. I suggest remove Hunan201p edits because he sourced Rashid-al-Din from a journal Lkhagvasuren (2016 study), the study people who made that study themselves admit they making many unsure assumptions.
May I ask where are the physical description ( a quote ?) for Genghis Khan by Rashid-al-Din in his “Jami’s al-tawarikh” written at the start of the 14th century?
The only real life physical description of Genghis Khan According to biographer Paul Rachtnevsky https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=SQWW7QgUH4gC&pg=PA433&dq=Zhao+Hong+genghis+khan+Paul+Ratchnevsky+tall+long+beard&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDi_Ge_dDoAhVRQEEAHYlvCQ8Q6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=Zhao Hong genghis khan Paul Ratchnevsky tall long beard&f=false}}
The Chinese, Zhao Hong, writes: “The ruler of the Tatars [sic], Temuchin, is of tall and majestic stature, his brow is broad and his beard is long. His courage and strength are extraordinary. :
" Juzjani comments that, according to the evidence of witnesses who saw him during the fighting Khorasan of witness who saw him during the fighting in Khorasan [in northwest Persia, in 1220, when he was in his late fifties] Genghis Khan was distinguished by his height, his powerful build, strong constition, his lack of grey hair and his cat's eyes. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by Queenplz (talk • contribs) 02:06, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
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Shouting in dialogue
Disclaimer I have little understanding of the quarrel between you and Hunan201p, but... Regarding this talkpage material, please do not be profligate with SHOUTING or bolding text in disputes. It does nothing to lower the temperature of such disputes and can often alienate editors who were previously neutral (WP:UNINVOLVED) towards you / your editing, and even serve as negative evidence. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 03:07, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
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Careful with ref names
Hi! Your edit here introduced a duplicate ref name error. (Search for 'error:' in the revisions before and after your edit.) I have since fixed this error. --Palosirkka (talk) 07:05, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
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The Bugle: Issue Issue CLXXIII, September 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXIV, October 2020
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Song-Xia wars
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A really great new article on Chinese history | |
| Just a message to let you know Song-Xia wars is one of the best new articles I've read. // Timothy :: talk 20:40, 24 October 2020 (UTC) |
Moved AN report that you should know about
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Gunpowder edits
Hi,
Massive thanks for your work on this today. Much appreciated. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 23:53, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
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Missing cite in Jin dynasty (1115–1234)
The article cites "Breuker 2010" but no such source is listed in the bibliography. Can you please add? Also, suggest installing a script to highlight such errors in the future. All you need to do is copy and paste importScript('User:Svick/HarvErrors.js'); // Backlink: [[User:Svick/HarvErrors.js]] to your common.js page. Thanks, Renata (talk) 03:34, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CLXXV, November 2020
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Tute Ruoshi Zhujiu
Hi Qiushufang, this is about the page Tute Ruoshi Zhujiu which you created some time ago. The article states that In 177 AD, Tute and a contingent of horsemen accompanied Xia Yu[disambiguation needed] and Tian Yan[disambiguation needed] on their expedition against the Xianbei. As you can see, these two names both are linked incorrectly, one to a disambiguation page and one to the wrong person altogether. In both cases, it seems like Wikipedia does not have an article about people with this name in the correct historical era. Do you know who they were? Were they Xiongnu as well, or affiliated to other tribes/empires? It would be nice to figure this out. Lennart97 (talk) 17:11, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hi @Qiushufang:, just a gentle reminder in case you missed my message above. I'd very much appreciate a reply. Lennart97 (talk) 12:03, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CLXXVI, December 2020
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Hi Qiushufang, I was hoping you may be able to help. I'm working on Cai Lun's article, with the intention of getting it to Featured article status. I'm wondering if you have any comments, criticism or suggestions on how I could improve the article? You seem to be very well versed in Chinese history and I saw that you did some edits to History of paper recently. I would appreciate any insight. Best - Aza24 (talk) 06:38, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
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Slavery in China
hi: i see what you did there. >:| 173.87.169.231 (talk) 17:38, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
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Dai Viet
Hello, please don't remove the other maps for Dai Viet. Wikipedia is supposed to be encyclopedic. The newer version just mentioned the achievements of other dynasties to make it more comprehensive and balanced. It is actually the older version that was not concise, having the very long and hard to read lede, so this is revised in the newer version. If you want to continue the discussion, please see the talk page Talk:Đại Việt. Nguyen Gia Man (talk) 08:13, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi, Qiushufang. Should you create a draft then an article for the conflicts between the Tang and the Nanchao kingdom? The "History" section in Nanzhao is too long, possibly we should have a separated article covers the Nanzhao Tang war or relations. Laska666 (talk) 00:46, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- Almost everything known about Nanzhao history is about war, so there would be nothing left in the history section if you took out the war. If the history section gets expanded more I'll consider it. Qiushufang (talk) 01:20, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, January 2021
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Do not delete sourced material from article: Tributary System of China
This is not history, but only theory, and a highly flawed one at that. It would be wise of you to acknowledge that as you edit this article, as many people do not agree with the theory at all. Introductionneeded (talk) 21:32, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- What are your sources? You deleted citations from the article and added unsourced content with quotations? What academic texts are you using? Qiushufang (talk) 23:39, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, February 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, February 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXIX, March 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXX, April 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXI, May 2021
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