Pintomarke

January 2008

Please do not add copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder, as you did to Shinnyo En. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. --Kinu ^t/_c 00:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Feb 2008 Kinu! I am sorry to have caused a problem. I am a Buddhist priest of the Shinnyo-en Buddhist Order. I posted that content after discussions with the main temple in Japan. We feel our material is more accurate and more understandable. How should I go about removing the current article which is both inaccurate and misleading, though sincere in intent?

Sorry Kinu

Feb 2008 Kinu! I am sorry to have caused a problem. I am a Buddhist priest of the Shinnyo-en Buddhist Order. I posted that content after discussions with the main temple in Japan. We feel our material is more accurate and more understandable. How should I go about removing the current article which is both inaccurate and misleading, though sincere in intent? My position in Shinnyo-en USA is community relations so web content is part of my responsibility. Can you help me to fix this situation? I am obviously a newbie to wiki editing! PS...we own the copyrights!

I am afraid that there is no way to post copyrighted information to wikipedia, even if you personally have permission to use it. All content submitted to wikipedia is released under the [Wikipedia:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License|GNU License]], which means that it is no longer possible to copyright that material. (cross posted to user talk page). Pastordavid (talk) 19:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

no copyright?

Okay, so I now understand from your post that I can't use our own copyrighted material. How come the current article has quotes from a copyrighted text book? Please tell me how our order can post factual material and remove this really absurd latest entry for Shinnyo-en. We have scholars from Columbia University, Stanford University and other reputable schools that can easily dispute the very poorly written article that quotes one reference. Cn you help me to proceed? Pintomarke (talk) 03:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Shinnyo-en

We can talk, but I don't think you'll like what I have to say. When one quotes a text properly, that is deemed WP:Fair use.It must be attributed properly and clearly marked by quotations. Wikipedia does not wish to host material produced by the subject of an article, however. Such content almost always reads more like a press release than an actual academic article. It also violates our own verifiability guidelines, as set forward at WP:Verifiability. Unless these scholars from "Columbia University, Stanford University and other reputable schools" have written the things you wish to include in a scholarly journal, university press, or some other form of reliable third-party media, then we cannot use it. The current article, which you call a "very poorly written article that quotes one reference," uses eight references (not one). Wikipedia is uninterested in organizations seeking to control the flow of information about them when they don't like the coverage they've received. Frankly, when I first found the article on Shinnyo-en, I found it utterly uninformative. It did read like a press release, and did nothing to inform the readers. Being interested in what Shinnyo-en is about myself, I set about tracking down the references and learned about your religion as I read them. I can promise you that I never set out to do but one thing: present the facts. That is all—I hope all is well with you. (Mind meal (talk) 19:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC))

I don't think a face-to-face meeting is necessary. I have now inserted reference to the importance of the Nirvana Sutra in the article, found in an article run by The New York Times. I hope that helps some to alleviate your concerns. As for the quote by Ananda Abeysekara, I cannot remove that portion. It was published by The University of South Carolina Press and has therefore been peer reviewed for accuracy. Perhaps today this is not central to the religion, as Ito is now dead. Maybe this once was a central theme and no longer carries the same weight with the founder having died? I can't make such a judgment, as the available materials do not make the point clear. Anyway, I'm sorry you don't like that quote but it is what it is. (Mind meal (talk) 04:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC))